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[Jimos]

Taunkaztorm, on 20 February 2012 - 09:39 PM, said:

Well the thing is triple DPS kind of ruins the tournament (biased since I'm playing RLS ofc..) but I'm pretty sure most people are agreeing with me that triple DPS does not belong in a tournament enviroment

Well the main reason people play 3 DPS is because of lock/shaman teams in the first place. Since if I played say ret/hunter/priest i'd be facerolled down by random 2.2k RLS's and such. No comps should be banned from a tournament except double healer because there they are boring to watch and most will outcome in draws or there won't be enough time to fit all games in. All comps have counters, it's the way it's always been.

[Taunkaztorm]

Jimos, on 20 February 2012 - 09:55 PM, said:

Well the main reason people play 3 DPS is because of lock/shaman teams in the first place. Since if I played say ret/hunter/priest i'd be facerolled down by random 2.2k RLS's and such. No comps should be banned from a tournament except double healer because there they are boring to watch and most will outcome in draws or there won't be enough time to fit all games in. All comps have counters, it's the way it's always been.

Why should just double healer be banned? Seems as unfair as triple DPS to me, boring games to watch

Edited by Taunkaztorm, 20 February 2012 - 10:00 PM.

[infectionx]

Jimos, on 20 February 2012 - 09:55 PM, said:

Well the main reason people play 3 DPS is because of lock/shaman teams in the first place. Since if I played say ret/hunter/priest i'd be facerolled down by random 2.2k RLS's and such. No comps should be banned from a tournament except double healer because there they are boring to watch and most will outcome in draws or there won't be enough time to fit all games in. All comps have counters, it's the way it's always been.

The main reason people play 3dps is because its easy to achieve high ratings with it while doing fairly tons of mistakes(or nothing special either) and games last for 1min max usually.You are correct why double healer shouldnt be allowed but on the other side noone would want to watch 1minute games.
It's up to the organisers in the end but i am pretty sure you will regret letting 3ple dps in it.

[Jimos]

Taunkaztorm, on 20 February 2012 - 09:59 PM, said:

Why should just double healer be banned? Seems as unfair as triple DPS to me, boring games to watch

There arn't really any high triple dps anyway and it's a counter to your comp so I can understand your feelings towards it however i wouldn't say the games would be boring to watch.

[averagepriestz]

People play triple DPS due to the low skill cap, fast games and easy 2200 / Gladiator. I highly doubt anyone, including yourself enjoys playing that setup. You can hardly go "outplayed them so badly" as that, in any case.

Don't try to pin this one on RLS teams.

[Taunkaztorm]

infectionx, on 20 February 2012 - 10:02 PM, said:

The main reason people play 3dps is because its easy to achieve high ratings with it while doing fairly tons of mistakes(or nothing special either) and games last for 1min max usually.You are correct why double healer shouldnt be allowed but on the other side noone would want to watch 1minute games.
It's up to the organisers in the end but i am pretty sure you will regret letting 3ple dps in it.

He won't regret it if he's attending the tournament ^^

But yeah I can't see any reason not to ban comps which involves more than one of each class, double healer and triple DPS. The argument that people are going to want Warlock / Shaman / X isn't really valid since it's just normal WoW comps, there will always be some comps more OP than others. (Warlock / Druid in TBC for example) but it's still way more interesting to watch than a triple DPS popping everything on someone killing them within a few globals where the opponents can't do anything to stop it. Same goes for double healer and double shaman with endless games etc

Jimos, on 20 February 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:

There arn't really any high triple dps anyway and it's a counter to your comp so I can understand your feelings towards it however i wouldn't say the games would be boring to watch.

Sure they might be pretty fun to watch, in a ironic way, the preferred way a tournament is that the most skilled team wins of course, but that's innevokable to how WoW PvP is balanced, but if let's say Snutz RLS wins the NAO (Not sure if they won or not, but still) you could still say that they were the best team attending the tournament etc. But I honestly doubt that if a triple DPS would have won NAO no one would actually say that said winner would be the most skilled team in that tournament since all they did was just pop all their cooldowns and kill someone through immunities.

And obviously I'm biased since I'm running RLS but I'm pretty sure that I'd be saying the same even if I were playing a triple DPS counter.

Edited by Taunkaztorm, 20 February 2012 - 10:14 PM.

[yarubi]

Nice!

Watched the Video from Athene about a charity tournament, really nice idea.

Triple DPS / Doubleheal really shouldn't be allowed, RLS is also retarted/strong as f*ck but its fun to watch..atleast when watching good players.

Edited by yarubi, 20 February 2012 - 10:11 PM.

[Jimos]

Taunkaztorm, on 20 February 2012 - 10:08 PM, said:

He won't regret it if he's attending the tournament ^^

But yeah I can't see any reason not to ban comps which involves more than one of each class, double healer and triple DPS. The argument that people are going to want Warlock / Shaman / X isn't really valid since it's just normal WoW comps, there will always be some comps more OP than others. (Warlock / Druid in TBC for example) but it's still way more interesting to watch than a triple DPS popping everything on someone killing them within a few globals where the opponents can't do anything to stop it. Same goes for double healer and double shaman with endless games etc

I'm not attending in it, atm no triple dps are, if there is a high rated one on the ladders who wish to enter we will consider.

[infectionx]

Jimos, on 20 February 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:

There arn't really any high triple dps anyway and it's a counter to your comp so I can understand your feelings towards it however i wouldn't say the games would be boring to watch.

I don't care that its a counter to my setup honestly but whatever there is no point in arguing time will tell.
@Braindeadly.
Also something more i do not understand the hate for shaman/lock/x on tournaments.I understand that they can produce really boring games but did we already forget blizzcon or the first Naoinv?-.-

[Conradical]

If 3DPS are allowed, people fighting 3DPS should be allowed to run double healer. It'll still be quick games.

[zephah]

Taunkaztorm, on 20 February 2012 - 09:59 PM, said:

Why should just double healer be banned? Seems as unfair as triple DPS to me, boring games to watch

As someone who hates triple DPS (myself) I advocate any comp that slays RLS.

[Taunkaztorm]

Conradical, on 20 February 2012 - 10:11 PM, said:

If 3DPS are allowed, people fighting 3DPS should be allowed to run double healer. It'll still be quick games.

Triple healer should be allowed!  

[Braindeadly]

yarubi, on 20 February 2012 - 10:09 PM, said:

Nice!

Watched the Video from Athene about a charity tournament, really nice idea.

Triple DPS / Doubleheal really shouldn't be allowed, RLS is also retarted/strong as f*ck but its fun to watch..atleast when watching good players.

exactly, that's why we're not banning either comp. we discussed this a lot. there are also almost 0 high rated double healer or triple dps teams so the chance of you seeing that anyway at the tournament is next to none

Edited by Braindeadly, 20 February 2012 - 10:15 PM.

[Bojjeshon]

=) nice

[averagepriestz]

infectionx, on 20 February 2012 - 10:02 PM, said:

The main reason people play 3dps is because its easy to achieve high ratings with it while doing fairly tons of mistakes(or nothing special either) and games last for 1min max usually.You are correct why double healer shouldnt be allowed but on the other side noone would want to watch 1minute games.
It's up to the organisers in the end but i am pretty sure you will regret letting 3ple dps in it.

In all fairness, RLS can commit litterally a TON of mistakes and still come out on top aswell. Difference is, they don't end the game in 1 minute but rather in 3-4 untill you die in a smoke bomb. Warlocks, Rogues and Shamans all have too many spells that make up for bad positioning or CD usage (Cheath Death, Combat Readiness, Cloak, Portal, Demon Armor, SLT, ES, Riptide) and such.

I would not say triple DPS teams would not be interesting to watch. I think Jimos has a point. I'd rather watch a triple DPS fight for 1-2 minutes instead of a 15 minute RLS vs. Lock/Shaman/X or instead of a RMP not being able to drop a 5500 resilience Shaman below 35%.

My point however was still that people should not use triple DPS as a response to RLS. Triple DPS was made up to get fast ratings, quick games, low skillcap and easy Gladiator. RLS is about the same, just without the fast games. But yeah, triple DPS was not made with the sole purpose of contering said teams, just for casuals to gain easy rating like any other season with any other FOTM setup. Like RLS is now.

If people want to run Doublehealer or triple DPS let them. Doublehealer is not near as viable as it was in WotLK, especially without PvE gear, and there is a 15 minute timer on the matches. Triple DPS has alot of counters too, and some of the fights go into some quite interesting 2v2 too.

Edited by averagepriestz, 20 February 2012 - 10:21 PM.

[Wickedworld]

Hey guys there is this comp that is really OP... it's called RLS  


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[Taunkaztorm]

averagepriestz, on 20 February 2012 - 10:16 PM, said:

In all fairness, RLS can commit litterally a TON of mistakes and still come out on top aswell. Difference is, they don't end the game in 1 minute but rather in 3-4 untill you die in a smoke bomb. Warlocks, Rogues and Shamans all have too many spells that make up for bad positioning or CD usage (Cheath Death, Combat Readiness, Cloak, Portal, Demon Armor, SLT, ES, Riptide) and such.

I would not say triple DPS teams would not be interesting to watch. I think Jimos has a point. I'd rather watch a triple DPS fight for 1-2 minutes instead of a 15 minute RLS vs. Lock/Shaman/X or instead of a RMP not being able to drop a 5500 resilience Shaman below 35%.

My point however was still that people should not use triple DPS as a response to RLS. Triple DPS was made up to get fast ratings, quick games, low skillcap and easy Gladiator. RLS is about the same, just without the fast games. But yeah, triple DPS was not made with the sole purpose of contering said teams, just for casuals to gain easy rating like any other season with any other FOTM setup. Like RLS is now.

If people want to run Doublehealer or triple DPS let them. Doublehealer is not near as viable as it was in WotLK, especially without PvE gear, and there is a 15 minute timer on the matches. Triple DPS has alot of counters too, and some of the fights go into some quite interesting 2v2 too.

Although you are right on some points I think that saying that RLS can make as many misstakes as a triple DPS and still win is a pretty false statement. For example anyone can easily pick up a DK, Rogue or a Ret and roll their way to 2200+ rating within a few hours (completely new to the class) while if you have people doing the exact same thing with RLS, will probably struggle and have to learn the comp and classes to actually win and get to the higher ratings.

And idk about others but when I'm running RLS usually when we make misstakes we do most of the times lose unless our opponents are really terrible.

Edited by Taunkaztorm, 20 February 2012 - 10:25 PM.

[Jimos]

Conradical, on 20 February 2012 - 10:11 PM, said:

If 3DPS are allowed, people fighting 3DPS should be allowed to run double healer. It'll still be quick games.

Sure

[averagepriestz]

Well it was meant in general. RLS can be just as forgiving as triple DPS. You should not ban one and not the other. Just keep it open for everyone, and I am sure the average ones will be filtered out fairly fast.

I don't see a problem in it.

[Jimos]

Everyone has their own opinion anyway and can be bias, but the rankings speak for themselves really.