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#1 Xypez

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 01:23 AM

So yeah basicly does anyone who has this weapon think its better than the tier weapons for 3v3? First of all tell me what comp you are playing and second tell me details about the weapon, like does it scale with Death knights mastery?

I have the raid finder version but not the normal version, but i think the normal version would be better than the tier 1, what do you guys think?

#2 Unappealing

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 01:35 AM

View PostXypez, on 03 January 2012 - 01:23 AM, said:

So yeah basicly does anyone who has this weapon think its better than the tier weapons for 3v3? First of all tell me what comp you are playing and second tell me details about the weapon, like does it scale with Death knights mastery?

I have the raid finder version but not the normal version, but i think the normal version would be better than the tier 1, what do you guys think?

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#3 Xandyn

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 01:49 AM

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 01:56 AM

If you ever get a double proc your target will die, but the proc rate is extremely low and tentacles have 15k hp and can be feared/interrupted.
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#5 KingStrangulate

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 02:33 AM

the non raid finder one aka ilvl 403 is of course better than the 397 cata weapon. Proc rate is low but when it procs it ups ur DPS a ton. You do lose a lot of resil couple hundreds. But aslong as you keep over like 4500 you are usually good. But I wouldn't use that tbh considering rogues, ferals and warriors just destroy you

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 03:00 AM

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#7 Xuou

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 04:11 AM

id say raidfinder>t1
normal>t2

atleast for a warrior in tsg...im not sure but i think it scales with int and u might wanna enchant 70 spell pen on your cloak
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Posted 03 January 2012 - 04:27 AM

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atleast for a warrior in tsg...


Except this isn't warrior in TSG, this is DK in general.

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 04:39 AM

So yeah basicly does anyone who has this weapon think its better than the tier weapons for 3v3?

i dont think so

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 04:42 AM

The tentacle is also effected by DK mastery (which is dumb).

It's better than T1

Edited by MENARDI, 03 January 2012 - 04:42 AM.


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Posted 03 January 2012 - 05:14 AM

i'd think T2 > Normal DW weapon > T1 > RF weapon (maybe t1 and rf weapon other way round but i think t2 is going to be way better than the normal dw weapon

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 06:41 AM

for warriors id say t2>normal too but not for dk´s
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Posted 03 January 2012 - 12:06 PM

View PostMENARDI, on 03 January 2012 - 04:42 AM, said:

The tentacle is also effected by DK mastery (which is dumb).


might explain why i got crit for 15k by mind flay from it yesterday : /

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 03:01 PM

i have the normal version with my dk. it adds 10-20% of my dmg. but there a also few games when it just doesnt procc.

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Posted 05 January 2012 - 10:21 PM

I would say Normal > T2 as unholy but as frost i would rather take t2 over it.

#16 Xypez

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 12:40 AM

alright so do you think the raid finder version would trump the tier 2? or just the tier 1

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 11:15 AM

i went for the set and i'm using the 403 gurthalax, but with how ridiculous rogues are atm, i'm already regretting it, gief 5k resil

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 02:39 PM

resilience won't change a thing. i'm dying against feral+hunter or rogues+hunter with t1 pvp weapon(5000 resi) as fast as with normal gurthalax(4650 resi).

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 10:45 AM

In my opinion, the normal Deathwing weapon is even better than T2 at least as unholy because of the fact that you can get high ammount of resilience with the new gear even with using 1 PvE item plus the Tentacle's damage stacks with Unholy mastery and now it has been fixed so if you multi proc the tentacles all of them deal damage!
(Once I got really luck with procs when I was playing frost and killed a priest from 100% in an RMP in just 1 HoJ because I had 3 tentacles up wich mean 24k damage every second + my attacks... balanced game alright?!)

On the other hand for classes who rely more on weapon damage like Warriors, Rets or even Frost DKs it might not be as good only because of the lower damage it has.

Altho keep that in mind that as uhnoly it will NOT proc as much because apart from the Autoattacks it can only proc from Necrotic Strike, Scourge Strike and Festering Strike and in total you spend a lot of globals using Deathcoil applying diseases or Chains of Ice and so on.

It procs a bit more as Frost tho lot more as Ret and retardedly high ammount as warrior (For example when I've played a few games against good old Joefernandes (who can't really handle losing, /spit /rofl everytime is not cool bro <3 :)) he constantly had at least 1-2 tentacles up but 3-4 wasn't rare either, especially not after a Bladestorm!)

If you want to know some nubers: 1 Tentacle does 3 Mindflay in it's duration, 1 Mindflay does damage 3 times and for me (haste reforged and geared as Unholy) 1 tick does 17K! damage on a Dummie and around 7k-9k depending on the resilience on a fully geared player! So assuming the average tick is 8k then the tentacle does ~72k damage in 10 seconds.

In conclusion I'd definitely use the NORMAL version of it over T2 as unholy, maybe even as Frost (but then again I rarely play frost in arenas) because it well worth the resilience loss and the random burst can come quite handy.
Also they are buffing the proc duration in the new minor patch from 10 seonds to 12 wich means the tentacle will do 4x3 ticks instead of 3x3+1.
On a side note I had games (as unholy) when the weapon didn't proc at all or I only had 1 proc in the whole fight. I'm talking about 2-3 minute games here.

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 01:26 AM

The state deathknights are in currently being the one of the easiest targets to kill in arenas i suggest using the PvP weapons (T1 and T2) i run PHDK and i do that and i run 4800 resil.. also the pvp weapons have more top end giving you more dmg in the long run, better to have the dmg then wait on RNG




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