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[Alydrian]

Yes, on 22 December 2011 - 04:08 PM, said:

I was talking to the OP in my case~. I think it is pretty fair to include the LFR spirit proc trinket as eventually everyone will be able to get one. If I am behind a certain haste value (which depends on DI and Spriest/shaman or not) it would be very simple to adjust stats a bit to get it. Anyway, extra haste is not 'wasted' it just does not provide more mana efficiency, it still increases HPS and reduces your GCD.

P.S.: The 10% silence reduc meta is a LOT better than getting 2% mana.

Ah, okay yeah, you're right about the meta gem.

[thrudgel]

Yes, on 22 December 2011 - 12:47 PM, said:

How could you ever ever ever possibly think that socketing haste is a good idea? Ever? I'd made a gear set with 10193 SP, 1841 Haste and 4619 resil while losing only 160 spirit. Gosh.

http://www.wowhead.c...71881.0.0.0.117

^perfect itemization

im using 2xResil trinket until full set though.

[Evolute]

Yes, on 22 December 2011 - 04:08 PM, said:

I was talking to the OP in my case~.

I made that profile in like five minutes!

Your set is much better though.

Edited by Evolute, 25 December 2011 - 05:12 AM.

[Ariyia]

I find myself never ever go oom, except maybe Mls.
Therefore, I will go for sure full Haste as Mastery is from my pov totally useless.
For me 4350 Resi is enough, as when my partners cannot peel for me, I am dead anyways.
My biggest problem is being absolutly GCD capped and I just don't have enough time to keep up with instant Dispels and therefore gimping my team.
I didn't factor in Sp/Wl, however more haste = less gcd so propably I will not reforge back.
If you think it's worthless just reforge gear back acording to haste value.
So for me It's definetly Gear Set 1.

And yes I know that it includes epic gems, but until next addon/season 6 months left  

Overview:

1) BiS Gear (Haste): http://chardev.org/?profile=295878

2)Lfr Gear (Haste) : http://chardev.org/?profile=295901

3)Lfr Gear (Resilence,Spirit) : http://chardev.org/?profile=295914

4)Lfr Gear (Mastery) : http://chardev.org/?profile=295924

[Alydrian]

Just a waste to socket 3x 63 Spell Penetration as you won't reach the spellpen cap needed for the shaman totem and the normal spell pen cap is reachable with blue gems, too. Just take a spellpen offsetpiece..

[Ariyia]

First of all you need the spirit cloak to reforge it to haste and secondly shaman totem is 195 resist so with epic gems its 189, which is much closer to 195 than 150(Don't get what you are saying here).
Secondly the cloak with spellpen is way overkill and a waste of stats.
And last, a lot of shamans don't use the healing stream totem glyph anyways.

[thrudgel]

Ariyia, on 27 December 2011 - 01:53 PM, said:

First of all you need the spirit cloak to reforge it to haste and secondly shaman totem is 195 resist so with epic gems its 189, which is much closer to 195 than 150(Don't get what you are saying here).
Secondly the cloak with spellpen is way overkill and a waste of stats.
And last, a lot of shamans don't use the healing stream totem glyph anyways.

swapping blue slots to spelllpen for spirit would be a no brainer,
but losing 75 int from 3 purple gems is a tougher choice

not so sure i'm convinced

[linky]

Regardless of how many stat points I'm "wasting," I won't trade int for a secondary stat.  Sure, extra haste would be better than spell pen but I'm not going to lose int for it.  I'd gladly change my blue slots to int/spell pen but that isn't enough.  

191 haste isn't even close to worth losing 75 int.  I'll waste a few stat points to keep my int as high as possible.  Diziet's itemization is pretty much spot on, maxing haste while preserving int wherever possible. (which surprises me because in the past he's always been a giant spirit whore )

Edited by linky, 27 December 2011 - 06:36 PM.

[spaceship]

Agreed. Reforging is one thing, but there is no reason to socket stats like spell pen or haste over intellect. It's still your best stat by far.

Edit: As of 4.3, http://www.wowhead.com/item=68780 is viable for healers and might be worth using if you value more throughput over more mana or a silence reduction.

Edited by spaceship, 28 December 2011 - 05:20 AM.

[Ariyia]

For Rg you need 2135 haste for the next breakpoint, impossible to reach without using the spirit cloak.
For people that play without a lock, like me, I think it is way better than the loss of 75sp.

[linky]

Ariyia, on 28 December 2011 - 02:04 PM, said:

For Rg you need 2135 haste for the next breakpoint, impossible to reach without using the spirit cloak.
For people that play without a lock, like me, I think it is way better than the loss of 75sp.

It's 2133 not 2135 and you're dropping 75 int (which is spell power, crit, max mana) for an extra tick of REGROWTH? I mean if it was a tick of rejuv maybe... or even an extra tick of lifebloom (though that also slows down the bloom slightly but an extra tick is still good hps increase)  but a tick of regrowth? O_o

Just tested it, the tick non crits for like 950 and crits for about 1900... and half the time you regrowth you're in tree spamming it so you aren't getting all the ticks before it's refreshed anyway.  I'm not seeing the need to sacrifice anything for this.

Edited by linky, 28 December 2011 - 08:08 PM.

[Alydrian]

http://chardev.org/?profile=298613

I'm also thinking about this lineup..less haste and no mastery (crit -> spirit, haste items untouched) but same manareg as with Heart of Unliving BUT the Windward Heart which gives more base intellect and the proc is damn op imho. It has only 20s icd, scales with spellpower and can crit.

When playing with a shadow/lock, reforging around 200 haste is still a good decision

Edited by Alydrian, 29 December 2011 - 01:08 AM.

[linky]

Yeah I've heard that windward heart is nuts, our healing output is the problem so anything that increases it appeals to me.  I hope I get one soon :>

[Alydrian]

linky, on 29 December 2011 - 01:04 AM, said:

Yeah I've heard that windward heart is nuts, our healing output is the problem so anything that increases it appeals to me.  I hope I get one soon :>

Yeah it definitly is. It's like a swiftmend on the lowest member every 20s.

[Minpojke]

So have anyone actually gotten their hands on this trinket and tried out the full haste reforge? hows the manaregen? got mana probs against any comps etc?

[Alydrian]

Currently playing with full haste reforge and Heart of Unliving and I don't have any manaproblems. At least I don't remember that I've ever lost a match because of mana..
Running DS10 + LFR every week, haven't seen the windward heart once :/

[spaceship]

Minpojke, on 07 January 2012 - 03:29 AM, said:

So have anyone actually gotten their hands on this trinket and tried out the full haste reforge? hows the manaregen? got mana probs against any comps etc?

I reforged to 916 haste for an extra rejuv tick with a shadow priest and wasn't that impressed with the trinket. The stacks fall off too quickly. For example, eating one full fear will probably drop the stacks if the global you spend immediately before or after isn't a heal.

In terms of mana, I only noticed issues vs a r1 legendary DKLS (with heroic cunning). Managed to barely keep up with damage but was completely dry by the time we got a kill.

Probably comes down to preference more than anything, but I think I'd rather have full spirit reforge with Windward Heart. Not to mention the random 20-40k heals will probably help heal through the random vial/cunning procs this season than more haste ever would.

[linky]

Depends on the comp, but to be honest a lot of comps right now can get away with haste reforge until extra rejuv tick AND windward heart and rarely lose due to mana.  I'd rather lose a game a night to shadowplay from running oom then die on the opener to 20 different RLS's and RMPs.

[NAOChris]

I made my set strictly for RBGs, I play those primarily. We don't normally run with a shadow priest, and I hate relying on buffs staying up (Dark Intent). Also didn't put in heroic heart because it'll be a while before I have access to it.

Tell me what you think: http://chardev.org/?profile=314990

p.s. If anyone finds a way to not have to use a spell pen piece on cloak/neck and can get a sufficient amount through gems or another pve piece, please share  

[Shouri]

http://chardev.org/?profile=315529

is what im going to end up using, im waiting for windward heart to drop in my raids though

it has 916 haste which is the exact amount needed for rejuv breakpoint