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#21 Watlok

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Posted 08 September 2011 - 08:22 PM

View Postcubas, on 08 September 2011 - 07:58 PM, said:

S5 pally (ret and retholy), dk, arcane mages, surv huntards
S6 pally (protholy), dk, brostorming warriors, prot warriors, beastcleave
S7 destro, ele - imo most balanced season up to the date
S8 locks, restodruids, ele, wizards everywhere
S9 dk, feral, restoshamans, priests being unuasable in arena (before 4.O6), few major patches during season, warrior damage, mmr exploiting...

Yes the balance used to be a lot worse.
You got your seasons mixed up son.

S5 - hpal/dk/survival/arcane/ret/protholy
S6 - frost dk, beast cleave begins, ele, destro, PHD, TSG
S7 early - beast cleave, ele, destro, PHD, turtle cleave begins
S7 post-resil - dot class rise to power due to huge relative damage buff of resil change, turtle cleave running rampant
S8 - wizards everywhere, protret/rsham/disc

I guess you can toss dispel cleave and LSD on a few of the seasons, and definitely MLD on season 8.  Instant cyclone came in to the game around S7 and brought ferals to a few t2 comps.  

Honestly though, cata pretty much shit on too much about the game class balance and ability wise.  Unless you were a resto druid even S5 is looking awfully tempting right now.  Even with nitro boosts, TNT stun, "did they even think about this" level death knights, and that dumb burst trinket.

Edited by Watlok, 08 September 2011 - 08:31 PM.


#22 cubas

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Posted 08 September 2011 - 08:30 PM

View PostWatlok, on 08 September 2011 - 08:22 PM, said:

You got your seasons mixed up son.

S5 - hpal/dk/survival/arcane/ret/protholy
S6 - frost dk, beast cleave begins, ele, destro, PHD, TSG
S7 early - beast cleave, ele, destro, PHD, turtle cleave begins
S7 post-resil - dot class rise to power due to huge relative damage buff of resil change, turtle cleave running rampant
S8 - wizards everywhere, protret/rsham/disc

I guess you can toss dispel cleave and LSD on a few of the seasons, and definitely MLD on season 8.  Instant cyclone came in to the game around S7 and brought ferals to a few t2 comps.
Well, the point stands still. The game was in shittier state back then.  (balance wise)
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#23 wisdomcube

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Posted 08 September 2011 - 10:32 PM

Nah, I'd rather lose games fast rather than slowly lose knowing theres no way I can win.

View PostLawson, on 18 February 2011 - 06:52 AM, said:

where was everyone else tonight?  3 hours of No q's followed by 3 hours of getting farmed by Adept?

#24 Thedream

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Posted 08 September 2011 - 11:39 PM

View Postwisdomcube, on 08 September 2011 - 10:32 PM, said:

Nah, I'd rather lose games fast rather than slowly lose knowing theres no way I can win.
+100 million i've been saying this since cata came out

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Posted 09 September 2011 - 01:29 AM

View Postwisdomcube, on 08 September 2011 - 10:32 PM, said:

Nah, I'd rather lose games fast rather than slowly lose knowing there's no way I can win.
This is true, but that still has very little to do with class balance. It's more to do with the damage to hp ratio, most defensive abilities having very short cds, some classes offering an extreme amount of peels and the amount of mana returns healers have. Not necessarily which classes are strong but more because the game is shit.

Edited by Mageic, 09 September 2011 - 01:29 AM.


#26 wisdomcube

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Posted 09 September 2011 - 05:38 PM

So dks and priest mana is what you were referring to? The biggest problem in this game are "procs", shit like impact stun, killing machine, fof etc etc

View PostLawson, on 18 February 2011 - 06:52 AM, said:

where was everyone else tonight?  3 hours of No q's followed by 3 hours of getting farmed by Adept?

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Posted 09 September 2011 - 07:38 PM

:shaman:  :shaman: :shaman:
Damn those priests and their infinite mana.
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Edited by Absolewt, 09 September 2011 - 07:39 PM.

Gooby pls

#28 wisdomcube

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Posted 09 September 2011 - 08:58 PM

If you cant run a shaman oom by training him into the ground which every priest team does while also mana burning him then you fucking suck. Granted if I was running MLS or something that would be different. Facing a PMR and the priest cannot drop below 90k mana its ridiculous.

Edited by wisdomcube, 09 September 2011 - 08:59 PM.

View PostLawson, on 18 February 2011 - 06:52 AM, said:

where was everyone else tonight?  3 hours of No q's followed by 3 hours of getting farmed by Adept?

#29 Thedream

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Posted 09 September 2011 - 11:12 PM

View Postwisdomcube, on 09 September 2011 - 08:58 PM, said:

If you cant run a shaman oom by training him into the ground which every priest team does while also mana burning him then you fucking suck. Granted if I was running MLS or something that would be different. Facing a PMR and the priest cannot drop below 90k mana its ridiculous.
it may sound retarded but don't dot more than one target; or if your only objective is to oom him, switch every time he shields somebody

this is where most of their mana regen comes from...a priest vs a warlock team just shields everybody on the team and when the shield breaks they return like 8% of their max mana or something

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 01:29 AM

Doesnt rapture have like an 8-12 second internal? Which would nullify your arguement. I mean I guess because shield cost some mana...not like its ridiculous but its not like we arent already hitting 2 targets normally.

Edited by wisdomcube, 10 September 2011 - 01:29 AM.

View PostLawson, on 18 February 2011 - 06:52 AM, said:

where was everyone else tonight?  3 hours of No q's followed by 3 hours of getting farmed by Adept?

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 06:30 AM

I personally don't think there are any balance issues in the game right now, except resto shamans oom a little to fast in PvE

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 08:02 AM

Just fix the queues.
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Posted 10 September 2011 - 11:28 PM



this explains the state of arenas

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 02:00 AM

Balance has nothing to do with how fun the game is, the game has been much worse than this balance wise, resto druids dominating TBC and all the examples other people mentioned.
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Posted 11 September 2011 - 04:40 AM

Having a healer dominate is alot more manageable than dps dominating. Plus in TBC there werent a bajillion immunities.

View PostLawson, on 18 February 2011 - 06:52 AM, said:

where was everyone else tonight?  3 hours of No q's followed by 3 hours of getting farmed by Adept?

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 06:00 AM

View PostXessi, on 11 September 2011 - 02:00 AM, said:

Balance has nothing to do with how fun the game is, the game has been much worse than this balance wise, resto druids dominating TBC and all the examples other people mentioned.

i agree. arena right now is basically dead and that's largely because noone is queueing and noone is queueing  because of how they botched the mmr system is and the reason for this is because blizzard doesnt seem to care about arena anymore.
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Posted 12 September 2011 - 02:52 AM

Every class has a viable comp (Except maybe hunters), so I think the balance isn't as bad as people say it is. Of course not every spec is viable like people want it to be.

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Posted 12 September 2011 - 04:31 AM

View Postcubas, on 08 September 2011 - 07:58 PM, said:

S5 pally (ret and retholy), dk, arcane mages, surv huntards
S6 pally (protholy), dk, brostorming warriors, prot warriors, beastcleave
S7 destro, ele - imo most balanced season up to the date
S8 locks, restodruids, ele, wizards everywhere
S9 dk, feral, restoshamans, priests being unuasable in arena (before 4.O6), few major patches during season, warrior damage, mmr exploiting...

Yes the balance used to be a lot worse.

S7 was actually the age of the prot war.

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Posted 12 September 2011 - 11:06 AM

the only thing you have to do is reintroduce mmr exploits 'cause enough people care for r1 and if they aren't safe anymore they're forced to queue again
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#40 wisdomcube

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 12:53 AM

View PostRith, on 12 September 2011 - 02:52 AM, said:

Every class has a viable comp (Except maybe hunters), so I think the balance isn't as bad as people say it is. Of course not every spec is viable like people want it to be.

Shouldn't force classes to play 1 comp, and yes balance is as bad if not worse than what people think. Plus theres a difference between viable which any comp is viable, and then there's lack of effort in needing to try comp. Which is what high rated faggots like yourself like playing. MLS/FMP/Shadow play etc etc

View PostLawson, on 18 February 2011 - 06:52 AM, said:

where was everyone else tonight?  3 hours of No q's followed by 3 hours of getting farmed by Adept?




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