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#1 kantaki

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 01:32 PM

hey,

what is the damage output from a shadowpriest ? is it more overall dmg or single target burst?

i didnt play wow for a while (s4) and priests got this strange spell " mind spike "

im just confused if they are a dotter or burst class atm ?

and hows the damage over all compared to other classes ?

thanks

Edited by kantaki, 25 August 2011 - 01:33 PM.


#2 hirtqt

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 01:48 PM

spriest has to potential to burst, along with good ccs. Their huge benefits in arena is offhealing along with disarm/blanket.
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Posted 25 August 2011 - 01:50 PM

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spriest has to potential to burst, along with good ccs. Their huge benefits in arena is offhealing along with disarm/blanket.
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Posted 25 August 2011 - 02:05 PM

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 02:13 PM

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 02:25 PM

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 03:55 PM

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 01:47 PM

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Posted 30 August 2011 - 10:12 PM

View Postkantaki, on 25 August 2011 - 01:32 PM, said:


what is the damage output from a shadowpriest ? is it more overall dmg or single target burst?


Overall damage is pretty poor.  One row of unbuffed lock dots > One row of unbuffed spriest dots if you can believe it.

Your bread and butter as a spriest outside of shadowplay is using your archangel -> MSx3 ->MB.
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Posted 31 August 2011 - 10:18 AM

View PostLowDeeps, on 30 August 2011 - 10:12 PM, said:

Overall damage is pretty poor.  One row of unbuffed lock dots > One row of unbuffed spriest dots if you can believe it.

Your bread and butter as a spriest outside of shadowplay is using your archangel -> MSx3 ->MB.

you sure? last time I checked leaving me free casting is a lot worse then leaving my warlock free casting and im not talking about just msing kids to death. Then again you prob still think shadow is totally shit and unplayable when in reality were still OP. If not better then when we had a dispel on a keybind and didn't have to target for it

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 08:39 PM

View PostTamz, on 31 August 2011 - 10:18 AM, said:

you sure? last time I checked leaving me free casting is a lot worse then leaving my warlock free casting and im not talking about just msing kids to death. Then again you prob still think shadow is totally shit and unplayable when in reality were still OP. If not better then when we had a dispel on a keybind and didn't have to target for it

Read my post, test it out, tell me your results.  Dont intentionally misread my post and then complain about it.

In fact, i'll save you the work, i just tested my lock (380pvp gear) and my spriest (380pvp gear) on a dummy. What do you think?

VT, DP, SWP on dummy: 85k, 83k, 78k
UA, Haunt, Corruption, CoA, CoE on dummy (no pet included): 95k, 111k, 116k
UA, Haunt, Corruption, CoA, Coe, Felpup on during dot uptime: 181k, 209k, 200k

In the event where the shadow priest has empowered shadow up, AND 5/5 evangelism he will be pretty much on par with lock non-pet damage.  You can test it by multiplying the first line #'s by 1.32 if you really want.

Edited by LowDeeps, 31 August 2011 - 09:11 PM.

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View Postdusknoir_, on 07 April 2011 - 11:23 PM, said:

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 09:22 PM

View PostLowDeeps, on 31 August 2011 - 08:39 PM, said:

Read my post, test it out, tell me your results.  Dont intentionally misread my post and then complain about it.

In fact, i'll save you the work, i just tested my lock (380pvp gear) and my spriest (380pvp gear) on a dummy. What do you think?

VT, DP, SWP on dummy: 85k, 83k, 78k
UA, Haunt, Corruption, CoA, CoE on dummy (no pet included): 95k, 111k, 116k
UA, Haunt, Corruption, CoA, Coe, Felpup on during dot uptime: 181k, 209k, 200k

In the event where the shadow priest has empowered shadow up, AND 5/5 evangelism he will be pretty much on par with lock non-pet damage.  You can test it by multiplying the first line #'s by 1.32 if you really want.

Dude, wtf are those numbers?
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Posted 31 August 2011 - 09:23 PM

View PostBashel, on 31 August 2011 - 09:22 PM, said:

Dude, wtf are those numbers?

I did three attempts for each scenario to ensure I didn't get some crazy RNG #.  Those #'s reflect the total read out from recount for the entire dot duration.

Edited by LowDeeps, 31 August 2011 - 09:25 PM.

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 09:29 PM

View PostLowDeeps, on 31 August 2011 - 09:23 PM, said:

I did three attempts for each scenario to ensure I didn't get some crazy RNG #.  Those #'s reflect the total read out from recount for the entire dot duration.

And I suppose that's the total damage for all the dots. Why the hell do you try to calculate it like that?

Unbuffed, my mind spike does 11k damage while my VT does 24.5k damage with the same cast time. Then VT is worth nearly 2.5 times that of mind spike, so I should never use it. Is that what you mean? :P
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Posted 31 August 2011 - 09:31 PM

View PostBashel, on 31 August 2011 - 09:29 PM, said:

And I suppose that's the total damage for all the dots. Why the hell do you try to calculate it like that?

Unbuffed, my mind spike does 11k damage while my VT does 24.5k damage with the same cast time. Then VT is worth nearly 2.5 times that of mind spike, so I should never use it. Is that what you mean? :P

Read the 4 posts before yours and it will make sense.
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Posted 31 August 2011 - 09:32 PM

And to be perfectly honest, you should test it without pet, without haunt, and without DP, simulating a multi dot target situation.

Sure, the lock can do more damage to one of the targets with pet and haunt, but then again, we aren't including the burst from mind blasts or angel.

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View PostLowDeeps, on 31 August 2011 - 09:31 PM, said:

Read the 4 posts before yours and it will make sense.

I already did before posting, now read mine and you should realize why yours can't really be used to conlude anything :P

PS: And keeping Empowered Shadow up most of the time isn't specifically hard either ^^

Edited by Bashel, 31 August 2011 - 09:34 PM.

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 09:36 PM

View PostBashel, on 31 August 2011 - 09:32 PM, said:

And to be perfectly honest, you should test it without pet, without haunt, and without DP, simulating a multi dot target situation.

Sure, the lock can do more damage to one of the targets with pet and haunt, but then again, we aren't including the burst from mind blasts or angel.

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I already did before posting, now read mine and you should realize why yours can't really be used to conlude anything :P

Look.  All I am arguing (for the sake of the OP) is that shadow is not a overall pressure class.  We suck balls as far as getting max pressure damage out.  Anyone that's played aginst a shadowplay knows the lock always ourpressures the shadowpriest.  

As I said earlier.  Our bread and butter is our burst, and specifically our CD's popped MS -> MB.
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#18 Bashel

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 09:59 PM

View PostLowDeeps, on 31 August 2011 - 09:36 PM, said:

Look.  All I am arguing (for the sake of the OP) is that shadow is not a overall pressure class.  We suck balls as far as getting max pressure damage out.  Anyone that's played aginst a shadowplay knows the lock always ourpressures the shadowpriest.  

As I said earlier.  Our bread and butter is our burst, and specifically our CD's popped MS -> MB.

And we call bull on that.

Ofcourse the warlock will do more general pressure, but it's not nearly as bad as you say.

PS: Pressure is more than just damage on the score board.
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Posted 31 August 2011 - 10:15 PM

View PostBashel, on 31 August 2011 - 09:59 PM, said:

And we call bull on that.

Ofcourse the warlock will do more general pressure, but it's not nearly as bad as you say.

PS: Pressure is more than just damage on the score board.

It's exactly like i say.  I cited actual numbers.
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Posted 31 August 2011 - 11:08 PM

View PostLowDeeps, on 31 August 2011 - 10:15 PM, said:

It's exactly like i say.  I cited actual numbers.

Yeah, and you included haunt which is a massive damage increase (that realistically is on 1 target max) and excluded empowered shadows which is also a quite huge damage increase (which affects all dots and is possible to keep up most time, depending on game obviously).

Ofcourse your numbers are useful (hey, data is data), but they can't be used to conclude anything.
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