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#41 Mom

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Posted 17 May 2011 - 01:23 AM

Always talk bad about hype because you cant admit to Hype being a better hunter


#1 Thugcleave <3 i envy you

+1 for telling it like it is
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Posted 17 May 2011 - 01:40 AM

Lets not make this a flame thread stay on topic. Discuss PHDK 2.0
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Posted 17 May 2011 - 02:43 AM

are you fing serious?

focus fire is garbage, this isnt pve

entrapment is amazing and has no DR (shows your lack of knowledge)


Since when the FK has Trapment not have a DR?

15% haste ontop of 10% from talons = 1.5 sec Cobra Shots.
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Posted 17 May 2011 - 02:43 AM

Why

No Focus Fire

1/2 Mend pet

Entrapment (When you are playing with a frost dk)
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are you fing serious?

focus fire is garbage, this isnt pve

entrapment has no DR (shows your lack of knowledge)

Edited by Qtpoo, 17 May 2011 - 02:55 AM.

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#45 Sykezilla

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Posted 17 May 2011 - 03:31 AM

This sounds interesting, tried out some Feral/DK/Hpala on the TR and it went well but I'll try find a hunter next time I'm on and see how it is.

What are people reckoning then, MM or BM?
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Posted 17 May 2011 - 03:46 AM

Wasn't PHD played with BM once it came out in wotlk?


only when bm was massively overpowered with readiness resetting bm timer at the very onset of wotlk
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Posted 17 May 2011 - 03:48 AM

WOAH u are tough

Hey buddy :)
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Posted 17 May 2011 - 04:56 AM

are you fing serious?

focus fire is garbage, this isnt pve

entrapment has no DR (shows your lack of knowledge)


Entrapment Yes 4 No 4 None

Whoooppsssyy.... I always thought it Drd Roots but I guess not. yes is for pvp but it only Drs on itself so big whoop. None = cat so its only dr is itself.

I will be using that spec then I guess
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Posted 17 May 2011 - 06:29 AM

Theres already a name for this and its ICEAGE CLEAVE
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Posted 17 May 2011 - 06:48 AM

I like you qtpoo but how the fuck is 15%haste and 20 focus for your pet not worth 1 point? That's idiotic. Haste increases cast speed, auto shot timer and focus regen.....
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#51 pastorkristi

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Posted 17 May 2011 - 11:19 AM

hi guys



Hey there Mr.

I wanted to ask some stuff. I saw that guy Hype(zer hunter)has got both BM and MM specc. May I ask which one you run with ?

My personal Xp(around 2,5k rating atm -kinda low) is that we can't win proper TSG or 2xDK + pally(or even other healer) teams as MM...we simply lack the burst because the best tactic so far vs those teams that we found is me and the DK go ont their healer and kill him before they gank our priest(which is kinda hard). So we found that imposs to be done as MM and only had some success with BM due to various reasons one of which is KC being usable even if he's LoSing me.

Pls give us some tips how to deal with such a comps as they're eating our priest alive. Also vs double DK pally our priest finds it imposs to dispell the bubble cause they'll pretty much time strang with that etc :/ Any tips and help will be apreciated ! Ty ! :>
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Posted 17 May 2011 - 12:07 PM

It's just PHD2 when played with a priest or shaman.
And yes good RLS counters it (if played with priest).
Average TSG also counters it, which will make you drop a ton of points (priest variation).

Edited by Delikat, 17 May 2011 - 12:08 PM.

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#53 Kettu

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Posted 17 May 2011 - 12:26 PM

Abominable Snow Man Cleave Thats Right


Seriously, gonna have to quote Threatslol on this one:

I wish you couldn't post.


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Posted 17 May 2011 - 02:15 PM

lol i heard hype quit the game because he couldn't beat rls with this comp...what a joke. if you use half a brain cell, you can't actually lose to anything as hunter frost dk shaman. ever.


honestly, did you even try this comp at all?

you did exactly the same thing with KFC after 4.1 hit, spamming every thread with how KFC is still best huntercomp, how its perfectly viable and even stronger than before, without even having played a single game.

then you went ahead and played 8-12, dropped 100 rating and were replaced by a feral, stating the comp is dead bc of frost dks.

lol

Edited by jidakra, 17 May 2011 - 02:15 PM.

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#55 Mom

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Posted 17 May 2011 - 02:51 PM

I like you qtpoo but how the fuck is 15%haste and 20 focus for your pet not worth 1 point? That's idiotic. Haste increases cast speed, auto shot timer and focus regen.....


When you use it, it consumes your pets frenzy which contributes quite a bit to damage. Focus is nearly a non-issue as BM Hunter so the 15% doesn't really do shit imo.

Keep the damage for your pet.
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#56 pastorkristi

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Posted 17 May 2011 - 03:19 PM

I did some tests:
Pet's speed with frenzy 5 stacks is like 1,39 and without it 1,79....so it's like 0.40sec attack speed loss but ur pet gains 20 focus.

However, I did some more tests(on dummy) and my pet kind of never runs out of focus( I use BM/sv -entrapment build).So basicly I put the pet on dummy and he never runs out of focus with 3/3 Beastial discipline.....so I decided to put those pts in imp. Kill Command and only 1/3 in BD.
I put my pet on dummy and he once again can't go out of focus even with 1/3. However dunno if it's a bug or something but sometimes he'll run low on focus(like 8-15 focus) and then for no reason restore like all his focus(jumps up to 110). I wonder if someone can do proper tests about which one is better 2/3 imp. KC or all 3 pts in beastial disc.


Also another thing -lots of hunters seems to be wondering which specc to go with -including me. Atm I run MM and BM -BM for 2xDK or TSG teams and MM for the rest(once the DK teams stop queueing). However, I think that BM >>> in terms of dmg by a lots due to:

BM's main dmg dealer:
KC -6sec CD....hits for like 80% Chim shot's dmg
-the rest is arcane shot spam
-the restoring focus ability is cobra shot >>>> steady shot's dmg
-the BM pet hits harder in general


As MM ur auto shots hit for 15% more dmg lol and U get some lol-quiver proccs but I think the BM's pet dmg kinda overcomes all that dmg since he's hitting like 3 times more dmg than normal pet and that's constant hits....and not proccs which is the case with Wild Quiver.


As BM KC is cheaper so I think the dmg is the same in terms of dmg per focus cost compared to Chim shot. The thing is that KC can be used on targets behind pillar as long as ur pet's in range (which I kinda like cause of the retarded bullshit called: Dalaran Arena)......

As BM U get a 42sec stun which compensates in a way for the loss of Silencing shot.

What's most important U get a 1,17min second trinket which is rly nice.



In overall both speccs are viable but they have their edges vs certain comps. In general I feel like BM's dmg comes a bit easyer since when you're bursting as BM U don't rly need to stand at place and spam cast....and as MM that's pretty much the case outside of rapid fire^^ Somehow BM feels less annoying in terms of focus but I kinda miss the silencing shot :)


Wtb some proper discussion bout ur Xp with both speccs and stop with the hate around Getnerded(ye he's idiot but w/e) and all the drama that's been going lately^


A post from Hype or that priest I mentioned in my last post would be rly apreciated <3

Regards.
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Posted 17 May 2011 - 04:00 PM

Without quoting Pastorkristi's post I may have read somewhere on EJ that pet focus is bugged.


Just did some test with 0/3 Bestial Discipline, and theres no need for it. There is a pet bug that's resetting their focus to 100%, not exactly sure whats causing it but it seems if the pet has spent any focus at all theres a chance for it to randomly reset.
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Posted 17 May 2011 - 04:24 PM

bm is bad. please stop comparing bm or mm in ANY hunter comp. there's no more beastcleave, get over it you fucks


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Posted 17 May 2011 - 04:48 PM

frost death knight is too strong, bm is terrible
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Posted 17 May 2011 - 05:32 PM

bm is bad. please stop comparing bm or mm in ANY hunter comp. there's no more beastcleave, get over it you fucks


Since reading this thread, I tried BM again aswell.. it just feels so gimmicky and bad indeed really, I also don't understand how people can keep saying it's good/viable. It's refreshing and fun to play something new, sure, but actually strong? I don't think so. The damage is quite poor, burst is non-existant aside from TBW.. but most of all, obviously you lose a lot of utility just by losing silencing shot alone.

Edited by KennyEU, 17 May 2011 - 05:32 PM.

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