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#21 Shadowtwist

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 09:50 AM

Simple fixes could've made spriests on par with warlocks but yeah blizzard doesn't care
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Posted 27 April 2011 - 09:51 AM

shadowplay and shadowplay with a druid healer are still very strong

its just like LSD but with less peels and insane damage right from the start
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Posted 27 April 2011 - 09:52 AM

I will agree losing your dispel is a big hit, but let's be realistic. Why should SPs be viable in certain comps only due to your dispel? It shouldn't function like that. You were the only hybrid left to have a dispel. Defensive dispel. It's only fair you're losing it, because no one else has it unless they're healer specced. However, only 1 offensive dispel? If I'm reading it right, that's fucking unfair.

When rets lost their dispel they got compensated by becoming a 2nd healer, please tell me what shadow priests bring to any comp now other than being a liability?
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Posted 27 April 2011 - 09:54 AM

When rets lost their dispel they got compensated by becoming a 2nd healer, please tell me what shadow priests bring to any comp now other than being a liability?

If I'm not too mistaken, priest shields, lifegrip, and healing are still in the game? Outside of our healing just now being nerfed, I still don't think rets will be 'bad', we still have our damage man. I've played ret since late vanilla/early TBC, and I'm used to ret being in a bad spot, I just enjoy playing the class/spec in general.
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Posted 27 April 2011 - 10:26 AM

I will agree losing your dispel is a big hit, but let's be realistic. Why should SPs be viable in certain comps only due to your dispel? It shouldn't function like that. You were the only hybrid left to have a dispel. Defensive dispel. It's only fair you're losing it, because no one else has it unless they're healer specced. However, only 1 offensive dispel? If I'm reading it right, that's fucking unfair.



Bringing in the only hybrid thing is a lame argument. Rets got gutted come 4.1 because they have a super long cd on WOG now. If u dont realise rets were ok b4 4.1 because of WOG. Every hybrid brings something else to the table. Dont talk bout ele is a broken spec

We are not asking for homogenization of classes, Just ask urself do u see urself as ret being prone to smashes after the WOG nerf? yes

And ppl who talk bout our offheals , anything like flash heal casted will oom a spriest so quickly you will spend the next 20 seconds trying to get mana back. The only heals we can do are prayer of mending renew and shield. And pretty much rets sacred shield can absorb about 70% as much as priests power word shield.

Next , why nerf shadowfiend?

most importantly why nerf dispel magic? offensive ( not defensive)

U know it costs so much more mana to dispel than to spellsteal and obviously spellsteal is better.

How this hurts shadowpriests ? alot. Instead of dispelling twice u need to dispel 4 times thats another 7k mana and 2 more globals.

How this hurts discs? simple theres no differentiating factor btw u and a shaman who has obviously more to offer on the table.and u gonna take alot time to burst any target. Why take a priest?

And i dont even wanna compare to what ua locks and mages get this patch.
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#26 deathrig2

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 10:29 AM

shadowplay and shadowplay with a druid healer are still very strong

its just like LSD but with less peels and insane damage right from the start



yea shadowplay is strong. Stronger this patch because UA does sick shit if u dispel thus no1 dares to dispel it when vamp touchs up as well.

But the thing shadow isnt good , ur comp revolves so much more around the strong dots of the UA now. and of course the gay damage that warlock buffs have.

UR pet hits 3k the warlocks shadowbite hit 15k. urs is a 4 min cooldown.
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Posted 27 April 2011 - 10:31 AM

So now you're bad because you lost your dispel? How about playing a bit more defensive now that your healer actually can get cc'd. Spoiled SPs! :rolleyes:





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Posted 27 April 2011 - 10:35 AM

I think there's room for a really interesting dynamic with MD still being able to dispel clutch CCs, but there is definitely not going to be much reason to bring a spriest over a lock in any comp atm.

IMO what they should do is buff shadow's survivability in some way. You've never really had a lot of ways to go D, but had the dispel. But what was stupid about that is defensive dispel isn't just for the defense of the spriest, it's the whole team. So replace it with other defensive mechanics for just the spriest, easy IMO.
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Posted 27 April 2011 - 10:39 AM

I don't even want to know or ask what Liberty Cleave is.


Also, whats this shadowfiend nerf I hear of? I thought he was shit already :(

Edited by Ellonija, 27 April 2011 - 10:45 AM.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 10:55 AM

Bringing in the only hybrid thing is a lame argument. Rets got gutted come 4.1 because they have a super long cd on WOG now. If u dont realise rets were ok b4 4.1 because of WOG. Every hybrid brings something else to the table. Dont talk bout ele is a broken spec

We are not asking for homogenization of classes, Just ask urself do u see urself as ret being prone to smashes after the WOG nerf? yes

And ppl who talk bout our offheals , anything like flash heal casted will oom a spriest so quickly you will spend the next 20 seconds trying to get mana back. The only heals we can do are prayer of mending renew and shield. And pretty much rets sacred shield can absorb about 70% as much as priests power word shield.

Next , why nerf shadowfiend?

most importantly why nerf dispel magic? offensive ( not defensive)

U know it costs so much more mana to dispel than to spellsteal and obviously spellsteal is better.

How this hurts shadowpriests ? alot. Instead of dispelling twice u need to dispel 4 times thats another 7k mana and 2 more globals.

How this hurts discs? simple theres no differentiating factor btw u and a shaman who has obviously more to offer on the table.and u gonna take alot time to burst any target. Why take a priest?

And i dont even wanna compare to what ua locks and mages get this patch.

Because I can put Sacred Shield on other partners. I can do 3-4 Flashes before I go completely oom, to the point where I have to plea, and I don't heal for a while after this, and then I can judge for 25% of my BASE mana over 10~ seconds, you're not the only weak hybrid healer. Shadow Priests having defensive dispel as the only non-healer left was dumb. You still have so much more than rets do, rets have a freedom, bop, and sacrifice which is mostly used to avoid CC, I do sometimes use it as a mini-pain sup though. Shamans don't have near the same ability to damage as a dics does. You can blow up a target as RMP (For instance) with Fiend, PI+Mind Spike spam, Icy Veins, and Dance. Don't pretend like this one little nerf will destroy your class. I will admit the offensive dispel wasn't necessary, that was uncalled for, so was the fiend nerf. Rets won't be destroyed in 4.1. A cooldown on WoG will make no difference to our damage, we'll still do amazing damage, but the self healing will be gone entirely, and sacred shield is nerfed, so survivability wise, it's not looking good.
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#31 Emopandah

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 11:03 AM

Also, whats this shadowfiend nerf I hear of? I thought he was shit already :(

Damage was cut by atleast 50% hits for 3-4k instead of 8k+
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Posted 27 April 2011 - 11:09 AM

not being able to dispel it is #1 nerf
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Posted 27 April 2011 - 12:01 PM

I don't even want to know or ask what Liberty Cleave is.


Fuck, I was going to type the same thing
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Posted 27 April 2011 - 12:02 PM

What is the Shadowfiend nerf? Can't find it in the patchnotes.
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Druid utility is superior to shamans utility already

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disc is way way better than druid.


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Posted 27 April 2011 - 03:22 PM

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 04:35 PM

who the fuck comes up with these retarded names for 3v3 comps. srsly liberty cleave?
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Posted 27 April 2011 - 05:19 PM

You went 12-13 today, your blatant trolling is getting a bit excessive and annoying.


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Posted 27 April 2011 - 05:31 PM

they need to give us another defensive ability and lower the cost of our dots
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Posted 27 April 2011 - 05:33 PM

AND LOL @ LIBERTY CLEAVE LOLOLOL
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Posted 27 April 2011 - 05:36 PM

My bad. That's death knight / mage / healer. :P


Why is it called that? I'm not trolling or anything, I just honestly want to know how that name came about.
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