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Poll: RMP OP? (585 member(s) have cast votes)

OP or skilled?

  1. Voted Overpowered (357 votes [61.03%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 61.03%

  2. Voted Balanced, skill needed to succeed (228 votes [38.97%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 38.97%

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#1 Ctuhlu

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 03:56 PM

Curious as to what the AJ consensus is. Pretty sure mages/rogues/priests are the most popular classes on AJ historically, though. Almost everyone in-game considers RMP, but most people on AJ jerk off to it. Personally I think the control of RMP is just too high -- especially in the hands of good players. I don't think there's any denying that is has a high skill cap, although people misunderstand what skill cap means here all the time. It doesn't mean a comp is necessarily skilled in general, skill cap means that in the hands of the best players it's success potential scales more than other comps.


RMP was a tier 1 comp for 7 seasons. It had one season as an underdog (S8) and it that period everyone really started praising it. Wondering what the consensus is now that RMP is T1 again and has the capabilities to literally control 2/3 of any team at any given time, while allowing the healer to play as ridiculously offensive as some do (mana burn can be especially retarded with RMP).

Edited by Ctuhlu, 14 March 2011 - 03:57 PM.

Fourreur said:

we have to switch to them making the decision to pop reck or not to pop reck

#2 yarubi

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 03:57 PM

overpowered

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there are so many bad players at high ratings right now because they got a skill boost with 4.0.6 x.X

Edited by Tezhu, 14 March 2011 - 03:59 PM.


#3 Ruinz

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 04:03 PM

l2p issue for people who cant handle RMPs....

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 04:08 PM

View PostRuinz, on 14 March 2011 - 04:03 PM, said:

l2p issue for people who cant handle RMPs....
Deepfreeze -> Ring of Frost -> Fear and sap/sheep/cs/blind/stuns/novas/etc
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Insane burst
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Insane peels
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Smoke bomb

I smell l2p issues :X

Edited by Fluffythecow, 15 March 2011 - 06:03 AM.

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Making cyclone dispellable would definitely make the game more balanced.


But seriously. Yes, cyclone needs to be dispellable (DEFINITELY the feral cyclone, that's for damn sure). That doesn't mean druids wouldn't be compensated elsewhere, which is what I hope druids defending undispellable cyclones understand. Making cyclone dispellable would definitely make the game more balanced.

#5 Redefined

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 04:08 PM

I do think RMP is very, very strong right now, but the fact of the matter is that the skill cap is still immensely high. At low-mid ratings, an RMP can win just simply due to having a ton of CC and high on demand burst. But at top levels, against competent players, you won't succeed without outplaying. There are ways to shutdown the CC-potential of the team and it's burst, if the enemy executes properly. At top ratings, of course it still comes down to comp vs. comp, but the better team can still win.

RMP is one of the comps that best scales with "skill."

If RMP isn't considered a hard comp to master/play well with (assuming at the highest levels of play), I really don't know what other comp requires more. Melee cleaves? I think any melee/caster/healer requires substantially more from the team than most other comps (barring a few).
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Kzrs said:

I've never seen Redefined post anything dumb. +1

View PostXandyn, on 27 May 2012 - 02:39 PM, said:

best Rogue on US

#6 Jewpaci

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 04:09 PM

Personally, I believe that

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 04:10 PM

Is the best comp. 3 babes...

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 04:11 PM

View PostFluffythecow, on 14 March 2011 - 04:08 PM, said:

Deepfreeze -> Ring of Frost -> Fear -> Sap -> Sheep -> Sheep -> Sheep -> CS -> Blind (Repeat for infinite profit)
+
Insane burst
+
Insane peels
+
Smoke bomb

I smell l2p issues :X


You do realize:

1) There's ways to prevent all of that (maybe not DF -> RoF at times, but that needs to be removed regardless)
2) That entire CC chain isn't possible due to DR's. RoF will DR that Vanish-Sap and X3 Sheeps; and Fear will DR the Blind.

RMP's "burst" isn't unhealable damage like some comps. It's a lot, but without proper coordinated CC/interrupts, you're not going to land a kill with heals incoming like a Warrior-Cleave will at this moment.


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I've never seen Redefined post anything dumb. +1

View PostXandyn, on 27 May 2012 - 02:39 PM, said:

best Rogue on US

#9 Cyanne

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 04:12 PM

View PostFluffythecow, on 14 March 2011 - 04:08 PM, said:

Deepfreeze -> Ring of Frost -> Fear -> Sap -> Sheep -> Sheep -> Sheep -> CS -> Blind (Repeat for infinite profit)
+
Insane burst
+
Insane peels
+
Smoke bomb

I smell l2p issues :X


Too bad rof, sheep and sap share dr.. but nice theorycrafting there +1.

And another whine post by ctulhu.. really now i don't think i saw any thread/post of your in which you didn't whine. Just stop playing random specs and play your CLASS at it's max potential. Maybe that way you will stop the endless crying.

Edited by Cyanne, 14 March 2011 - 04:15 PM.


#10 yarubi

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 04:16 PM

Quote

but the better team can still win.
not when playing wld/wlp :(

Edited by Tezhu, 14 March 2011 - 04:17 PM.


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Posted 14 March 2011 - 04:16 PM

It just became alot easier to "outplay" ppl as rmp this season due to so much cc being instant and unpreventable most of the time. The dmg in itself isnt as much an issue as is the insane lockdown leaving alot of the match 1v3 or 2v3
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Posted 14 March 2011 - 04:16 PM

deepfreeze rof needs to be removed from the game, its completely stupid that a class can cc the healer for 17 seconds with instants only

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 04:17 PM

ring of frost, the most stupid shit since s5 shadowfrost, but that's not rmp exclusive

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 04:19 PM

View PostRuinz, on 14 March 2011 - 04:03 PM, said:

l2p issue for people who cant handle RMPs....

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 04:22 PM

RMPs overpoweredness is definitely not linear. So to answer your question: yes RMP is OP if you are skilled - and - no RMP isn't OP if you're average. (you may think this accounts for all combos, but no, good old beastcleave(was back then) and these days' tsg is still op if played by average players)

Edited by Whalewars, 14 March 2011 - 04:23 PM.

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 04:27 PM

View PostFluffythecow, on 14 March 2011 - 04:08 PM, said:

Deepfreeze -> Ring of Frost -> Fear -> Sap -> Sheep -> Sheep -> Sheep -> CS -> Blind (Repeat for infinite profit)
+
Insane burst
+
Insane peels
+
Smoke bomb

I smell l2p issues :X

ok, so you RoF someone, into a 7s fear, im on with that. but how are you gonna sap him after the fear? Drs from RoF. Then sheep him still having drs? doesnt work.
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Posted 14 March 2011 - 04:31 PM

http://www.arenastat...2600&mt=5&mg=20

might not be the best way to measure if it's OP or not but in the rigth hand the comp is very very strong though you have to work to win. Unlike other comps. But I wouldn't call the comp OP but it's a top tier comp for sure!
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Posted 14 March 2011 - 04:33 PM

View PostFluffythecow, on 14 March 2011 - 04:08 PM, said:

Deepfreeze -> Ring of Frost -> Fear -> Sap -> Sheep -> Sheep -> Sheep -> CS -> Blind (Repeat for infinite profit)
+
Insane burst
+
Insane peels
+
Smoke bomb

I smell l2p issues :X
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Posted 14 March 2011 - 04:36 PM

if rogues had their survivability tweaked it would be better (dont bring warriors killing them in throws into this)
rogues in season 8 had to be really carefull with going into middle of arena and you could really notice how good RMP's dealt with that vs the bad ones
obviously I'm not saying rogue survivability should be on s8 level because it was dogshit but some middleground would be nice

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 04:36 PM

View PostFluffythecow, on 14 March 2011 - 04:08 PM, said:

Deepfreeze -> Ring of Frost -> Fear -> Sap -> Sheep -> Sheep -> Sheep -> CS -> Blind (Repeat for infinite profit)

You know any comp with a druid is op since we are saying DR in the game doesn't exist!

Cyclone->Cyclone->Cyclone->Cyclone->Cyclone->Cyclone->Cyclone->Cyclone WTF AM I SUPPOSED TO DO WITH ALL THE 6 SECOND CYCLONES!




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