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#21 nevercasts

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 12:24 AM

Anyone else waiting for zilea to poke his head in here at any time and lay down an "I TOLD YOU SO"
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#22 Puch

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 12:38 AM

You are right, must be rough only healing 30-40k(inc other hots) in the duration of a cc. It's not that much better than healing ZERO when a holy paladin is cc'ed.


oh hey let me control the blooming of my blooms, its not like there are purges targets switches or anything, or let alone the fact that druids DON'T have on demand healing outside of a 14k swiftmend every 15 seconds, or have any cooldowns to actually help teammates
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#23 Hexagram

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 01:09 AM

I really don't understand your posts at all. Are you actually arguing that druids are in a worse place than paladins right now?
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#24 nevercasts

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 01:36 AM

Seriously puch just stop talkin about druids in here, we know the kids wrong when it comes to 30k+ LB noncrits. You use to be a damn pally stop being a douche and wasting thread space.

Edited by nevercasts, 18 February 2011 - 01:42 AM.

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#25 Puch

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 01:56 AM

Seriously puch just stop talkin about druids in here, we know the kids wrong when it comes to 30k+ LB noncrits. You use to be a damn pally stop being a douche and wasting thread space.


sorry didn't mean to derail the thread just wanted to point out the person making up figures and alot of very common misconceptions people are making about both classes

people compare x to y

they ignore x's good parts and only complain about the bad

they ignore y's bad parts and only complain about the good

Edited by Puch, 18 February 2011 - 02:03 AM.

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#26 Grocery

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 05:26 AM

Anyone else waiting for zilea to poke his head in here at any time and lay down an "I TOLD YOU SO"

Everyone trolled him for that thread too, rofl.
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#27 nevercasts

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 09:00 AM

IF you havent seen it already
this is for teams above 2600
:shaman: 18% (51) +66.90%
:mage: 15% (43) +46.20%
:priest: 14% (39) +25.90%
:warlock: 14% (39) +56.10%
:druid: 12% (35) +1.50%
:rogue: 8% (22) +3.00%
:deathknight: 7% (21) -30.80%
:warrior: 6% (17) -44.80%
:paladin: 5% (14) -66.60%
:hunter: 1% (4) -60.80%

It's a 42.6% drop at 2400rated and above.

Edited by nevercasts, 18 February 2011 - 09:06 AM.

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#28 Pitiless

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 09:13 AM

It really seems like posting about this on the wow forums is a waste of time. The majority of the wow pop honestly believes holy paladins are by far the most OP healers in the game. You linked 2600+, here's 2k+ (not gonna edit in all the class icons). Basically when you go from 2k+ to 2.6k+ holy paladins go from 2nd in rep to 2nd to last.

12% (1323) +14.30%
:paladin: 12% (1313) -16.20%
12% (1279) +12.00%
12% (1266) -1.80%
11% (1202) +9.40%
11% (1158) +2.10%
10% (1061) +13.70%
9% (946) -17.70%
7% (776) -2.80%
3% (326) -14.50%

It looks like it's easy to faceroll to 2k or whatever as a holy pal, but when you start fighting people who know how to utilize all of their abilities it's a lot different. Not to mention in BGs holy pals seem really strong. This sucks though because it leads to 95% of the wow pop thinking holy pals are stupidly OP.

I can't imagine any holy paladin changes anytime soon given all of this.
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#29 Involute

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 09:57 AM

Making sac undispellable (and maybe a 1 min cd with 6-8 second duration?) and adding an extra range (25 yards?) on rebuke deep in holy talents would I think solve our problems. Or instead of rebuke if we are to avoid class homogenization (shaman niche) then adding repentance also deep in the talent tree (31 pointer tier, like Warrior's SMF/TG). I am not sure on Freedom being undispellable, while BoP is too strong to have dispel protection , maybe freedom could have one.
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#30 Wickedpallyx

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 10:47 AM

We won't get Repentance or a larger range on Rebuke. I can't see Blizzard even touching Holy Paladins to be honest. I'm thinking if that was their intention, they would have commented on how they need to make a change to our healing. Its clear that they care about PvE alot more than PvP, and with Holy Paladins being quite balanced vs dragons, theres no reason for Blizzard to buff us. Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't see them giving us a buff anytime soon (maybe next season :()
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#31 Ellonija

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 01:17 PM

brb gearing my druid/ret

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#32 koshimo

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 01:47 PM

rip :paladin:
hello :druid:
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#33 Sentan

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 04:24 PM

Imo they shouldve never removed Sacred Shield + Divine Sac for holys, Sure I agree that SS was abit op, could've been nerfed down / lowered Duration etc, but dont see a reason for making us unable to spec into Divine Sac.
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#34 Apophiz

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Posted 19 February 2011 - 09:34 AM

and with Holy Paladins being quite balanced vs dragons, theres no reason for Blizzard to buff us.


yep cuz a higher rebuke range would give us the power to solo all dragons easily x.x
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Posted 19 February 2011 - 11:30 AM

just play with a shadow priest, put your stun to 40 sec CD and stay out in the open all game, dispelling each other.

only change i'd like to see is mastery get changed into a hot instead of a shield.
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#36 Arrann

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Posted 19 February 2011 - 12:11 PM

It really seems like posting about this on the wow forums is a waste of time. The majority of the wow pop honestly believes holy paladins are by far the most OP healers in the game. You linked 2600+, here's 2k+ (not gonna edit in all the class icons). Basically when you go from 2k+ to 2.6k+ holy paladins go from 2nd in rep to 2nd to last.

12% (1323) +14.30%
:paladin: 12% (1313) -16.20%
12% (1279) +12.00%
12% (1266) -1.80%
11% (1202) +9.40%
11% (1158) +2.10%
10% (1061) +13.70%
9% (946) -17.70%
7% (776) -2.80%
3% (326) -14.50%

It looks like it's easy to faceroll to 2k or whatever as a holy pal, but when you start fighting people who know how to utilize all of their abilities it's a lot different. Not to mention in BGs holy pals seem really strong. This sucks though because it leads to 95% of the wow pop thinking holy pals are stupidly OP.

I can't imagine any holy paladin changes anytime soon given all of this.


If you use an even lower rating threshold then holy paladins overwhelm every other class. Sadly you're right in saying that a vast majority of players thinks paladins are OP or even fine.
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#37 Subby

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Posted 19 February 2011 - 04:29 PM

the only reason i think holy pallys are better in battlegrounds are cause of this:

we have other healers to dispel cc on us, and when a pally is freecasting he is probably the best healer for HPS
but I and I bet many other paladins would rather sacrifice some quality in rated bgs for more quality in arenas

reduce healing output slightly (since now most other healers can keep up to par) and increase utility?

Edited by Subby, 19 February 2011 - 04:29 PM.

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#38 Sentan

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Posted 19 February 2011 - 05:20 PM

Ye well we are doing more then fine in rbg cus we can get dispelled by others and lay on hands works aswell atm and it isnt that hard to keep yourself to not going oom unless you are getting spam mana burned or being forced to spam flash..

Hpallys are goood in rbg, not as good in arenas, dispellcleave might be a good choice this season then.
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Posted 19 February 2011 - 05:25 PM

If you use an even lower rating threshold then holy paladins overwhelm every other class. Sadly you're right in saying that a vast majority of players thinks paladins are OP or even fine.


I think a big part of those numbers at low rating is that Paladin is the probably the most played class, or at least was throughout Wrath. At least on the servers I've played on and I'd assume it's similar for most servers, there have always been more paladins, ie 5 paladins for every VOA and most played class in wintergrasp battles. Plus you see more /2 Hpal LF arena than any other class currently. Even just glad healers or glad alts on a server, there's such a high amount of paladins compared to most other classes.

Dsac/undispellable hand of sac are both fairly small, non game-breaking changes that would go a long way.
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#40 nevercasts

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Posted 21 February 2011 - 02:59 AM

the only reason i think holy pallys are better in battlegrounds are cause of this:

we have other healers to dispel cc on us, and when a pally is freecasting he is probably the best healer for HPS
but I and I bet many other paladins would rather sacrifice some quality in rated bgs for more quality in arenas

reduce healing output slightly (since now most other healers can keep up to par) and increase utility?

The healing output isn't even ahead of other healers tho unless you start critting on holy shocks and IoL procs for divine lights (RNG). The only healer we beat out by spamming our fastest heals(FoL) when they spam thiers is druids. Priest and shamans both have higher Hps when comparing those spells.


Tbh sit on your teams. I'm rather regretting leaving mine. Should've just sat glad and played my druid/priest.

Edited by nevercasts, 21 February 2011 - 03:02 AM.

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