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#1 jgw

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 01:57 AM

I generally just do 2s with some RL friends and it seems healer/dps now is asking for a 30 minute game. We are only 1700 as we are on new toons (DK/RDruid).

Is it because we are terrible or are 30 min games just unavoidable and very common now? I could get better at killing but I'm guessing as ratings climb so do people's ability to peel, get drinks, etc.

Are people at 2200+ finding long games the norm?
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Posted 17 February 2011 - 02:04 AM

unless you play double DPS, 2's games will take that long when it's healer/dps v. healer/dps. still, you'll have little trouble with almost any double dps you come across.
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#3 Raczlol

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 02:11 AM

Games are definitely long, I'm playing disc/frost mage and the entire game vs healer/dps revolves around setting up burns, mage dmg is so shitty atm that its the only thing we can do.
As dk/druid you should be doing better than 30 minutes though, usually I'm done in under 15 as disc vs most dk teams, either that or we magically win because of the dks stupidity.
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Posted 17 February 2011 - 02:13 AM

playing enh/resto druid and tied against a 1900 restoshaman/warrior :lol:
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#5 jgw

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 03:58 AM

^^ Yep that's exactly what we are finding. Almost impossible to kill a healer/dps mirror or get killed by them if either of us decides to play defensively.

We're at 1700mmr but struggling to find reason to bother to get better as it just looks like more of a borefest awaits if we do. HP pools versus damage ratio is too high.
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Posted 17 February 2011 - 04:09 AM

Healer/DPS v Healer/DPS makes me want to kill myself.
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Posted 17 February 2011 - 04:28 AM

2's is about who can do the most retarded burst damage the fastest. So I wouldn't waste time running some healer/dps comp. Go double dps and just try to shit on someone super fast.
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Posted 17 February 2011 - 05:03 AM

"Ok dude, I think we're gonna fight a DK/Disco"
"Oh shit, I'm right"
"Ok, going on disco"
Partner yells:" I need some peeling"
"Ok, sheepin... NVM AMS"
"Ok Sheeping now, NVM dispelled"
"Ok ring of frostin, fuck AMS"
"Ok, sheeping priest and nuking DK, fuck silenced"
"Ok, now nuking DK, nvm AMS"

I'm overreactin but still, fuck sake. Thank god they're only 2s.
70% of my fights are over 30min and half of the teams are DK/healer or Warrior/healer.
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Posted 17 February 2011 - 05:09 AM

2's is about who can do the most retarded burst damage the fastest. So I wouldn't waste time running some healer/dps comp. Go double dps and just try to shit on someone super fast.


Except that doesn't work, we (priest/mage) laugh at double dps teams and I suspect healer+plate teams do as well... 2s are terribly boring now, you can't kill ANYTHING if they have half of a brain and the amount of immortal DKs who tunnelvision you for 45 minutes hoping for a disconnect to happen is just ridiculous :|
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#10 jgw

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 05:14 AM

OK think I'm going to have to bank my DK or just do 3s :_(

Glad I levelled a rogue...
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Posted 17 February 2011 - 05:32 AM

2's is about who can do the most retarded burst damage the fastest. So I wouldn't waste time running some healer/dps comp. Go double dps and just try to shit on someone super fast.

Pretty much this. I'm playing spriest/sub rogue and it's a fucking laugh at how fast we kill shit. Although we're only at a low MMR, I can't see it being much different up around 2k. Everytime our game plan is; wait for game to start, choose target, pop berserking+trinket+shadowfiend, [email protected] Games are lasting anywhere from 30 seconds to a minute maximum. I think that's why I love playing DPS/DPS, you either win or lose right away, and either way it's just on to the next one. No need to sit there facerolling for 30 mins to get the end result.
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Posted 17 February 2011 - 05:55 AM

OK think I'm going to have to bank my DK or just do 3s :_(

Glad I levelled a rogue...

Don't be glad .....if you go mutilate you spend half an hour being kited. If you go sub you spend five minutes doing damage and twenty five minutes being kited. That is my experience when playing VS Hunter/Druid. Absolute nightmare ....i just wanted my easy points and i get a hunter who keyboard turns with a druid that never went oom.
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#13 Amiza

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 09:09 AM

Cataclysm 4.0.6 patch broke 2v2. Priest no longer go oom just by keeping them in combat.

Warriors/DK's damage became manageable. hunter buff's made them more popular and still easy to keep LoSing them.

Warlocks lost drain mana. Mage burst is lack luster now.

I use to hope they would bring back titles in 2's as it's my most active bracket. But it's so horrible now and complete shit it should never be made a competitive bracket. They should remove titles from rated bg's too. Seeing people on my realm with 2400+ bg rating and 1900 arena teams with 300 games played.
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Posted 17 February 2011 - 03:04 PM

Reduce spirit an mana regeneration effects by 50%, just in 2v2... here you go, I fixed them.
Just as a fun bracket ofc, nothing serious or potentially balanced but fuck 45 minutes matches at least.
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Posted 17 February 2011 - 04:00 PM

they could do a minus regen aura and no drinks after after say 15 mins but then that would lead to outlast turtle cleaves abusing it.
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Posted 17 February 2011 - 04:09 PM

They should just cut regen in half. Considering how healers can keep their mana up atm i don't wanna see how it will be in s12 :/
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Posted 17 February 2011 - 04:13 PM

Reduce spirit an mana regeneration effects by 50%, just in 2v2... here you go, I fixed them.
Just as a fun bracket ofc, nothing serious or potentially balanced but fuck 45 minutes matches at least.

Would hurt priests more than any other healer, other healers would go oom w/o burns but we would oom so fast
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Posted 17 February 2011 - 04:21 PM

Since the DK damage nerfs I noticed we're having 10 min + games as h pala / dk so we switched to ret / dk and it's much more enjoyable .
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Posted 18 February 2011 - 01:25 AM

Except that doesn't work, we (priest/mage) laugh at double dps teams and I suspect healer+plate teams do as well... 2s are terribly boring now, you can't kill ANYTHING if they have half of a brain and the amount of immortal DKs who tunnelvision you for 45 minutes hoping for a disconnect to happen is just ridiculous :|


I mean it works to end that you're just having faster games as double dps. You go in, try to super shit on someone, and then either win or lose and move on. We're playing Disc/Rogue and the other night we played against endless Resto Druid/X or Holy Paladin/X teams that even when I'd burned them completely oom and we were both on the kill target, we couldn't kill them. Was very frustrating (and of course that was over the course of a 35 minute match).

And I haven't really noticed the whole, "buckets filling and emptying," or the, "wounded state," idea. I did pre-patch, but after all I see is people running in, popping everything trying to global someone. 2's is just a uber frustrating atm.
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Posted 18 February 2011 - 01:30 AM

Lots on ties.

A lot.
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