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#21 Archmage

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 01:15 AM

Agree with most, here's my list
  • Frostbolt needs to do more dmg on frozen or non frozen targets. Ice Lance should do less.
  • Shatter needs a tweak so we don't need to w8 for season 11 to have the wanted haste+crit with a good amount of resilience.
  • Sheep must be a bit faster and provide a short of dispel protection.
  • Shattered Barrier should go and either buff Ice Barrier or when Barrier breaks/dispelled it provides another defensive ability.
  • Mage armor should give a bit less mana and Spellsteal should cost a bit more.
  • Flame/FFB Orb should follow targets or have longer range
  • Maybe Reactive Barrier should be a glyph and instead of auto-casting under 50% hp just removed gcd from Ice Barrier. Or Gloves equip bonus along with blink provide -0.5 gcd to Ice Barrier.
  • Put Impact more down on fire tree so frost mages can't get it.

Edited by Archmage, 14 February 2011 - 01:16 AM.


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Posted 14 February 2011 - 01:56 AM

mage class has been mechanically gutted and it is not fun to play as or against

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 02:20 AM

I completely agree with vile here.  Mage class is absolute trash right now and we need to get a unified voice out to blizz to save our class.  If we were just weak it would be ok, but the mage class is mechanically flawed, which will make this expansion a headache for good mages out there.  With only 1 viable spec and one of the only pure damage casters still in arena, I think that we deserve buffs for sure.  Not ice lance buffs, but poly/frostbolt buffs.  

And yea shattered barrier is retarded, if they removed it and replaced it with something to make poly more than a big piece of dog crap that would be excellent.

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 03:10 AM

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 03:18 AM

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 03:42 AM

Nice proposals, but wouldn't Blizzard ignore it since I can imagine they hate people telling how should they do their job? Seeing how DA managed to get through PTR.

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 04:45 AM

Frost is fine, hopefully Blizzard spends time fixing actually broken specs like Balance and Elemental instead of working on mages and making more Ring-of-Frost-like mistakes.

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 04:46 AM

View PostTsutchie, on 14 February 2011 - 03:42 AM, said:

Nice proposals, but wouldn't Blizzard ignore it since I can imagine they hate people telling how should they do their job? Seeing how DA managed to get through PTR.

People wouldn't have to if Blizzard had any clue about how to balance PvP. Some of the changes they have made this expansion are so out of this world, having no affect on PvE, but completely ruining PvP. And I doubt they would ignore it as, it is just suggestions and feedback.

Quite frankly, I don't think Blizzard knows what they are doing when they make PvP changes. The state of all casters is so frustrating because casting is nearly impossible, and blizzard keep emphasizing on non-casting playstyles which is not ideal and will not be good enough in high level PvP.

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 05:26 AM

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Also objective data seems to be completely ignored on this forum this season. The above post is from a mage and makes the claim that the issue is mages being to good at the lower levels but are hard countered at the top? Objective data says this is not true. Mage rep is high at 2200 but surges upwards at 2400 and gets even higher at 2600. The data says mages get stronger the higher up you go.

There is simply no proof that dispels and super godly healers are having much success countering mages. I am strictly arguing the data portion of it. If mages are doing terrible why are they the #1 class above 2600 at 16% rep. On top of that mage rep has gone up since the patch lol.

What happen to the days of nerf and no compensation? Mages are overpowered right now. They are overpowered in every single area of pvp. They are being stacked in rated BGs, they are overpowered 1v1, they are overpowered in 2v2 and 3v3. Why can't they just be nerfed to bring their representation to reasonable levels. Then after that happens if there is some signs that they are having issues their problems can be addressed.

I just don't see the reasoning behind buffing mages at all or making the spec any better then it already is. All objective data clearly shows that it's the best dps spec in arena in the history of arena in the 3v3 bracket. That isn't me saying that...it's the objective data saying that.

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 05:48 AM



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Posted 14 February 2011 - 06:09 AM

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 06:25 AM

Hope hawtstuff is trolling.

Frostbolt definitely needs a buff, is barely worth casting at the moment.
Agree with all your points Vileroze except maybe the last one.
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Posted 14 February 2011 - 06:30 AM

i like the changes, but lets see if Blizzard can balance abit more next patch, also somebody said 20% mage armor, don't try to destroy our class

Edited by avoid, 14 February 2011 - 06:30 AM.


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Posted 14 February 2011 - 06:37 AM

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1. Completely disagree, if anything mages have to little novas, everyone has a dispel so novas are irrelevant
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Posted 14 February 2011 - 06:40 AM

i strongly agree with all of this, right now there are too many cc's/interrupts, too many roots, too many gap closers, and too many instant casts that are more powerful and rewarding than casts.

Then the cc's are too easily dispelled if not on healer, and too long if on healer.


These changes would be a step in the right direction.

Edited by demonfear, 14 February 2011 - 06:40 AM.

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 06:43 AM

View Postdemonfear, on 14 February 2011 - 06:40 AM, said:

Then the cc's are too easily dispelled if not on healer, and too long if on healer.

Is that the phrasing you intended?

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 07:14 AM

this was pretty well thought out, much better than most mage posts of knowing the mage class isint fun but not knowing how to make it better without making it the strongest class.

i agree with most of your points but id like to comment on a couple points.

mages being GCD capped while trained is a tricky point, you basically have 3 ways casters deal with getting trained atm: locks spend almost no GCDs and have good survivability, mages (and to a lesser extent shadowpriests) spend alot of GCDs and have good survivability, all other casters have truly bad survivability. the problem is basically locks dont need to spend enough globals to have the best survivability, if anything all survivability should be brought closer to mage/sp instead of lock. i think your later suggestion to remove 0.5 on defensive abilities is a good idea also though.

id rather see cone of cold being 3sec undispellable root right away. id rather see mages play with a melee if they want strong snares but 3sec undispelable root should make it a solid peel for a partner whose on a pillar and just long enough to get melee off you for a chance to poly. despite this being controlled it seems like DR would have to go into the random root category to make it balanaced though.

i like the r1 frostbolt idea but it would make sence for it to do minimal damage, cover debuffs should be used before cc not after.

as far as cold snap i think the cooldown itself promotes mages being weaker in longer games, theres no way to change this without reworking the ability itself so your weaker early game with 2 full sets of CDs rdy, your suggestion is basically just a buff but a fairly reasonable one so im not disagreeing, but this doesnt fix the problem well.

Edited by Serida, 14 February 2011 - 07:18 AM.

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 07:16 AM

View PostInsomniac, on 14 February 2011 - 06:25 AM, said:

Hope hawtstuff is trolling.

Frostbolt definitely needs a buff, is barely worth casting at the moment.
Agree with all your points Vileroze except maybe the last one.
what would lead you to believe that I was trolling, when all of the things that I said was 100% true and not biased like every other mage is.

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 07:29 AM

View PostHawtstuffs, on 14 February 2011 - 07:16 AM, said:

what would lead you to believe that I was trolling, when all of the things that I said was 100% true and not biased like every other mage is.

Rofl I think I see his point now.

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 07:31 AM

The only change that mages need is to put all of their roots on the same DR.

They don't need buffs.
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