[Haks]

EDIT: All suggestions updated as of 02/15/11, post 13


I've just filed through the search function and determined that nobody has updated Diminishing Returns in quite awhile on any of the usual resources.

http://www.wowpedia....nishing_Returns

http://www.wowwiki.c...nishing_returns

Both are only up to date for 3.3, which makes them grossly wrong in many area's. Let's see if we can get a comprehensive list of DR's going for the current game, from which someone can update those resources.

The following is the traditional categories of Diminishing Returns. I'll hide the old one and update the visible one as this thread gets feedback, starting with the changes I'm aware of off the top of my head. I'll update this post blindly as people add their two cents, so if you think someone is wrong, point it out.

Added abilities (including those moved to a new category) are in green. Outdated abilities are in red.



* Controlled Root - Freeze (Water Elemental), Pin (Crab), Frost Nova, Entangling Roots, Earthgrab (Storm, Earth and Fire), Improved Cone of Cold

* Controlled Stun - Bash, Concussion Blow, Deep Freeze, Demon Charge, Gnaw, Holy Wrath, Inferno Effect (Doomguard summon), Hammer of Justice, Intercept (Felguard), Intercept (Warrior), Intimidation, Kidney Shot, Maim, Ravage, Shadowfury, Shockwave, Sonic Blast, War Stomp, Cheap Shot, Pounce, Charge

* Disarm - Chimera Shot - Scorpid, Disarm, Dismantle, Psychic Horror (Disarm effect), Snatch

* Disorient - Freezing Arrow, Freezing Trap, Gouge, Hex, Hibernate, Hungering Cold, Polymorph, Repentance, Sap, Shackle, Wyvern Sting, Ring of Frost

* Fear - Blind, Fear (Warlock), Howl of Terror, Intimidating Shout, Psychic Scream, Scare Beast, Seduction (Pet), Turn Evil

* Horror - Death Coil, Psychic Horror, Sin and Punishment

* Opener Stun - REMOVED

* Random Root - Shattered Barrier

* Random Stun - Impact, Revenge Stun, Seal of Justice, Stoneclaw Stun, Improved Polymorph

* Silence - Arcane Torrent, Gag Order (Warrior talent), Garrote, Improved Counterspell, Nether Shock, Silencing Shot, Improved Kick, Shield of the Templar, Silence (Priest), Spell Lock, Strangulate

* Taunt - Angered Earth, Challenging Howl, Challenging Roar, Challenging Shout, Dark Command, Death Grip, Distracting Shot, Growl (Druid), Hand of Reckoning, Mocking Blow, Righteous Defense, Taunt (Pet),Taunt (Warrior)

* NEW - Dragon's Breath, Scatter Shot

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* Disorient - Dragon's Breath

Does anyone know what Dragon's Breath is classified as? It's been pointed out that it does not share DR's with Poly despite both displaying the same debuff effect ("Aura Effect: Disorient")

Alexek said:

i think dragon's breath n scatter shot are in their own league with no dr with anything else

Anyone mind testing this?

Spoiler

* Controlled Root - Freeze (Water Elemental), Pin (Crab), Frost Nova, Entangling Roots, Earthgrab (Storm, Earth and Fire)
* Controlled Stun - Bash, Concussion Blow, Deep Freeze, Demon Charge, Gnaw, Holy Wrath, Inferno Effect (Doomguard summon), Hammer of Justice, Intercept (Felguard), Intercept (Warrior), Intimidation, Kidney Shot, Maim, Ravage, Shadowfury, Shockwave, Sonic Blast, War Stomp
* Disarm - Chimera Shot - Scorpid, Disarm, Dismantle, Psychic Horror (Disarm effect), Snatch
* Disorient - Dragon's Breath, Freezing Arrow, Freezing Trap, Gouge, Hex, Hibernate, Hungering Cold, Polymorph, Repentance, Sap, Shackle, Wyvern Sting
* Fear - Blind, Fear (Warlock), Howl of Terror, Intimidating Shout, Psychic Scream, Scare Beast, Seduction (Pet), Turn Evil
* Horror - Death Coil, Psychic Horror
* Opener Stun - Cheap Shot, Pounce
* Random Root - Frostbite, Improved Hamstring, Shattered Barrier
* Random Stun - Impact, Revenge Stun, Seal of Justice, Stoneclaw Stun
* Silence - Arcane Torrent, Gag Order (Warrior talent), Garrote, Improved Counterspell, Nether Shock, Silencing Shot, Improved Kick, Shield of the Templar, Silence (Priest), Spell Lock, Strangulate
* Taunt - Angered Earth, Challenging Howl, Challenging Roar, Challenging Shout, Dark Command, Death Grip, Distracting Shot, Growl (Druid), Hand of Reckoning, Mocking Blow, Righteous Defense, Taunt (Pet),Taunt (Warrior)

Edited by Haks, 15 February 2011 - 05:51 AM.

[Ickz]

Ok, now someone go and make an updated DR addon because the one built into gladius is horse shit.

[Alexek]

remove scorpid disarm

[Takanit]

Gladiminish doesn't seem to have been updated since 3.x either

[Darckli]

Actually the best thing to edit would be the library - specifically DRData-1.0 that a lot of addons use. Dunno what the rules are for editing/distributing but the code still works, just needs a spellid and category adjustment.

Edited by Darckli, 11 February 2011 - 07:49 AM.

[Haks]

dusknoir, on 11 February 2011 - 03:34 AM, said:

couldn't you just edit the page on wowpedia?

That's the idea, but I want a comprehensive list built so it can be done in one step. Thanks for all the whispers with corrections.

[Haks]

Is this all the known changes?

Edited by Haks, 14 February 2011 - 08:40 PM.

[Lysanne]

Haks, on 14 February 2011 - 08:19 PM, said:

Is this all the known changes?

Seal of Justice stun effect no longer exists and can be removed.

[Repent]

Correct me if I am wrong. Improved coc with shattered barrier since last patch or?

[Shuken]

Where does scatter shot fit in all of this ?

[Alexek]

i think dragon's breath n scatter shot are in their own league with no dr with anything else

[Starcookie]

Seal of Justice is no longer a stun and was removed

[fant0m8]

What about Bad Manner now that it's fixed?

I haven't had a chance to test it in a duel, I know it DRs with something, because I've seen it at half duration, but I'm pretty sure I've also seen it at 4 seconds on gladius after scatter trapping someone.

[Haks]

Any more?

[Shirak]

Felguard's intercept (pursuit) doesn't stun anymore, the stun is a separated ability (axe toss).

Edited by Shirak, 18 February 2011 - 03:19 PM.

[Darckli]

Mind control, Banish, and Cyclone are basically on their own DRs, and Monkeystun/Chastise are missing from your list (don't know where they go). Also, how the eff does solar beam work? Do silences that come after it DR? Obviously it doesn't.

You're also missing some hunter pet abilities (clench-disram, and sting-stun).

Imp coc is a controlled root on its own DR.

Edited by Darckli, 18 February 2011 - 07:42 PM.

[Haks]

Darckli, on 18 February 2011 - 07:40 PM, said:

Mind control, Banish, and Cyclone are basically on their own DRs, and Monkeystun/Chastise are missing from your list (don't know where they go). Also, how the eff does solar beam work? Do silences that come after it DR? Obviously it doesn't.

You're also missing some hunter pet abilities (clench-disram, and sting-stun).

Imp coc is a controlled root on its own DR.

I'll look these up and update them after work today, thanks.

KEEP THEM COMING, I have no idea what the rep on this site is for, but I'm happily upvoting anyone who posts an update.

[fant0m8]

I think I've figured out Bad Manner (Monkey Blind).

It's sharing DR with controlled stuns like HoJ and Gnaw, even though it breaks on damage.

Which means it does NOT share DR with Scatter Shot or Trap.

[Baranor]

Kinda on-topic, but playing with a hunter using a crab, my Deep Freeze seems to randomly be on 50% DR. Any idea if it's also in a different category, or if perhaps crab charge/pin or something DRs with DF? Might be a whole new DR category.

[Svenn]

DRData just got updated with the latest changes.

Direct link:
http://www.wowace.co...2-3-3-ge4c6734/