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#41 Lvb

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 12:20 AM

yes sir I can, and you will, if your upset that your struggling at ele I'm sorry but you should relaxx
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Posted 25 January 2011 - 12:26 AM

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#43 Zong

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 12:44 AM

yes sir I can, and you will, if your upset that your struggling at ele I'm sorry but you should relaxx


I'm not upset, and I don't play ele for arena. But when I do play it for BGs I can see how awful it is. You really have to be trolling to claim that elemental is fine, but good luck anyway.
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Posted 25 January 2011 - 12:49 AM

ele on bg9? your an inspiration
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#45 warpzz

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 03:58 AM

WTB more ele changes!!
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Posted 25 January 2011 - 04:16 AM

Elemental is a stupid spec. It was designed to be a glass cannon turret that is based off of rng. It needs to be completely gutted and redone.
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Posted 25 January 2011 - 05:09 AM

just hit 2207 as ele/feral/Hpal and talking about tough, we have to literally play perfectly and im definitely not afraid to say that im basically there to do nothing but soak damage since im oom after first minute of match
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Posted 25 January 2011 - 05:12 AM

Really? You're complaining that your class only has two viable specs? Newsflash: some classes don't even have one viable spec.
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#49 fuuga

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 05:15 AM

Really? Which class would that be?
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totems alone are more buttons than rogues use you fucking downie

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#50 fuuga

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 05:17 AM

blizzard balances around pve, this should not be new to a multi time glad


Thank god that shaman are the worst or near-worst in every pve role atm I guess. Not that I'd expect anything drastic to be done since Blizzard has a history of not giving a fuck about shaman problems in pve.
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Posted 25 January 2011 - 05:32 AM

Really? You're complaining that your class only has two viable specs? Newsflash: some classes don't even have one viable spec.


Plural, pretty sure theres only one class
:priest: -shadow, lacking but still viable to an extent
:rogue: - mut and sub are both ok
:hunter: - this is the one class I can think of that has no viable specs
:druid: - balance is pretty bad but feral and resto
:paladin: - holy
:deathknight: - frost (kind of), unholy
:warrior: - arms
:mage: - icelance
:warlock: - aids spec
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#52 Valmior

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 05:36 AM

Really? You're complaining that your class only has two viable specs? Newsflash: some classes don't even have one viable spec.


I'm sorry, but this is a really shitty argument to keep eles in the trashcan. Shamans have a better reason to push for all three specs being more viable because they can fill more roles (melee, caster, healing)- it's the same reason druids push for all their specs to be viable, and they should.

Pure classes should be happy to have at best 2 specs to be viable as; we can only fill one role and don't have the diversity of hybrids.

I explained this really bad but yeah shamans deserve to have all specs be viable just like any other class although I do think hybrids probably deserve it more
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#53 Shuken

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 05:38 AM

This is basically what I was saying earlier in the thread. If your class has 2 decent specs consider yourself lucky. The healers always need to stay viable like you are saying. And the only way 30 specs could be even close to balanced would be to remove PvE, and that isn't happening anytime soon.

I don't know why you guys think you should be able to off heal well.. If you want to heal people spec resto. I'll agree that mana shouldn't be such a problem for elemental, and ele could also use a spec specific defensive CD. Nothing like Astral shift either, that was real stupid and needed to go. On top of that a little more damage could be in line as well to make up for some of the utility that the class as a whole lost.


Focus should be put on classes/spec in this order :

Priority #1:
healer spec of all 4 hybrids
1 spec for all the other DPS classes (DK, war, rogue, mage, etc)

Priority #2:
moonkins, ele, ret, shadow, enhance, feral

Priority #3 (if possible, not a huge deal at all):

The other two specs of rogues, dks, hunters, mages,etc.

Priority #4 (actually make sure these specs are never viable in arena) :

Prot specs
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#54 cameronlol

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 07:37 AM

Really? You're complaining that your class only has two viable specs? Newsflash: some classes don't even have one viable spec.


you should be banned for that post.
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Posted 25 January 2011 - 08:05 AM

Focus should be put on classes/spec in this order :

Priority #1:
healer spec of all 4 hybrids
1 spec for all the other DPS classes (DK, war, rogue, mage, etc)

Priority #2:
moonkins, ele, ret, shadow, enhance, feral

Priority #3 (if possible, not a huge deal at all):

The other two specs of rogues, dks, hunters, mages,etc.

Priority #4 (actually make sure these specs are never viable in arena) :

Prot specs


I actually agree with this, although I think prot should be allowed in arena as well.. just not stupid good prot like s7 :)

That being said, just because some have higher priority does not mean that the other specs should be ignored all together. Every lacking spec should receive small buffs that are significant enough to make an impact (not 10 % lava burst damage) and every overpowered spec should receive small nerfs. Eventually they can find a sweet spot and sure it won't last forever due to gear scaling and other changes but at least by doing that it is possible to keep every spec at least viable even if its not completely balanced.
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#56 Mageic

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 08:12 AM

Elemental is a stupid spec. It was designed to be a glass cannon turret that is based off of rng. It needs to be completely gutted and redone.


I partially agree with this too, elemental has core problems that have always existed that were masked in wrath due to insane burst + tremor(which are both gone). I think the single largest problem with shaman dps in pvp has always been that they have nothing to set up a kill with other then overpowering the other team with damage. Every other caster dps except moonkin who face the same problem has some form of stun / blanket silence / horrify to either hold their opponent in place and stop them from casting which is why elemental shaman / moonkin have a very hard time playing with anything but another wizard who can do that for them.

So give me fucking fire nova stun back fuck
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#57 rtcinema

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 08:16 AM

Or Lava Burst stun? Fire nova was a bit overkill in arenas like Dalaran.
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#58 Flaxig

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 10:31 AM

In my eyes it is fine if a pure DPS class has a spec that isn't viable.

A hybrid however, should certainly have all 3 specs in a playable state.

If combat isn't viable for a rogue, you're still a melee, and have somewhat the same playstyle.

If ele isn't viable for a shaman, I can't be a caster. I have to heal or be a melee.
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#59 Fajita

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 10:34 AM

While I completely agree with elemental being very lackluster right now, one thing that I would like to point out is that it seems like due to all the overpowered-ness of Wrath, people have forgotten what ele was like in BC.

Ele's current state is definitely not the worst it has been, WoTLK has just spoiled us.
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#60 cameronlol

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 10:49 AM

In my eyes it is fine if a pure DPS class has a spec that isn't viable.

A hybrid however, should certainly have all 3 specs in a playable state.

If combat isn't viable for a rogue, you're still a melee, and have somewhat the same playstyle.

If ele isn't viable for a shaman, I can't be a caster. I have to heal or be a melee.


The other thing to note is the gear sets are completely different for hybrid class specs. So if for some reason you geared for enhance, your pretty much out of luck if it becomes non-viable. Not to mention the play-style is completely different.

Tbh im not that worried since im a gladiator level resto player, but I still really enjoy playing ele and would like the option to maybe play it in BGs without everyone telling me I either spec resto or leave the group.
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