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#61 Mobywan

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Posted 26 February 2011 - 04:32 AM

Half the time you are being kited/running to your target giving you a perfect chance to fear the pet or w/e, so your not losing any auto swings. macros like this just make the game even more boring than it already is for a ret atm. It's NOT going to win you the game, i don't even know why people take this shit so serious it's so sad it makes me feel sick.


I have to agree with Jimos.

Though I tab with everything, HoJ and Repentance as well if necessary.

Just a style of play. Macros are overrated imo, helpful, but overrated.

I only use mouse over stuff because I'm lazy most of the time lol =p

Nice guide!
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#62 Hektic

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 10:58 AM

what do people think about getting sancitity of battle+reforging haste, since HP generation is rets #1 issue? I can get the crusader strike cd down to like 4.1 which seems alright and haste isn't a bad dps stat.


in that case you would spec judgements of the pure ofc (which already on its own puts your crusader strike lower than 4.1sec cd). I still think speccing that way atm is good with sanctity of battle (and possibly max'd art of war due to all the extra white attacks). The player id consider the 'best' retpala in wow (certainly the most successful korean player of all time anyway) has been speccing that way since the ret buffs, not that id adds much weight to it but try it out for yourself.
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Posted 01 March 2011 - 11:53 AM

in that case you would spec judgements of the pure ofc (which already on its own puts your crusader strike lower than 4.1sec cd). I still think speccing that way atm is good with sanctity of battle (and possibly max'd art of war due to all the extra white attacks). The player id consider the 'best' retpala in wow (certainly the most successful korean player of all time anyway) has been speccing that way since the ret buffs, not that id adds much weight to it but try it out for yourself.


yeah I was mostly thinking of getting it with jotp, but WoG was too good. With the WoG nerfs maybe stacking haste and dropping every healing talent except selfless healer will be good.
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Posted 08 March 2011 - 06:21 AM

good job

Edited by aestheticz, 19 April 2011 - 04:24 AM.

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Posted 19 April 2011 - 11:07 PM

Very nice guide!
btw im having trouble against disc mage in 2s, how do u play against that comp? im with a resto shamy
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Posted 10 May 2011 - 11:33 PM

Would LOOOVE to get a "how to beat RMP as Ret/DK/Shaman" cause im sitting at 99% loss against RMP and i don't particularly like it since some nights are full of them...
A more general "tactic" would be welcome aswell, against any combo.
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Posted 01 June 2011 - 02:37 PM

Nice guide mate!

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Posted 08 July 2011 - 05:52 PM

made a short update to 4.2.
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Posted 13 December 2011 - 12:25 AM

updated for 4.3 patch!
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 10:18 PM

A lot of people has been asking me about Crit vs Mastery, here's a more detailed talk over the 2 choices for reforging and which one you should pick:

1.) 2PC - I don't have 2pc because the rng gods have decided not to ever drop pants in any of my raids, also I'm practicing for tournies that doesn't allow PvE gear. so i have not taken this into calculation for my own. If you do take this into calculation however, 2pc obviously favors mastery more. 2PC = more Holy Power = more TV towards ur damage. If you're running a comp where u can be in melee range a lot, do melee attacks a lot and u have 2pc, mastery would > crit.

2.) What comp are you running - if you're running triple dps u should usually go crit. Crit helps towards last word spec which is good when 40second hoj does much less in an arena match that doesn't usually last more than a minute. Also a slightly harder hitting TV in a triple dps match is much less important than a sudden RNG crit heal or crit attack.

3.) What are you fighting - you can't predict this, but I do plan to get 2 sets of Ret PvP Gear. 1 Set for when I'm fighting something I plainly barely get to attack in melee range (mage anyone?) which would be crit. but if i'm fighting say a warrior melee cleave team that trains my dk when I run ret dk priest, mastery would do much better. I'm TVing / crusader striking probably 3x as much as I would against a mage team, making mastery 3x better than it usually is.

4.) How you play - how often do u stay in melee range when u play in PvP? Do you LOS a lot? I los 80% of the games against wizard teams rendering mastery quite useless since I melee once every 20 seconds. Or do you run in and try to just melee / train something down for 5 minutes straight? Mastery might be better for that.

5.) Your Spec - If you're last word specced crit can be much more favorable as having that extra crit for that heal to happen is important. it kinda blows when u have last word and ur heal doesn't crit when ur partner is about to die.

6.) Length of your games - similar ideas, short games favor crit as u probably hammer of wrath spam to be a large % of ur damage making crit more favorable.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 08:48 PM

slowly working on updating to 5.0! will work on it more as I get to play ret more in MOP and 5.0.

edit: feel free to discuss if you think anything in the guide looks wrong / have an opinion on it. As MOP / 5.0 is very new right now, I want to see more perspectives on everything.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 10:53 PM

updated to 5.0.5, will include more information when MOP actually comes out!
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 01:43 AM

Great update!
what will you be running in Mop?
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 11:57 PM

@Jacky I'll run a lot of comps in the beginning most likely. Somethings I plan to try are Ret War / Ret Dk / Ret Hunter / Ret Mage / Ret Spriest / Ret Rogue.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 03:39 PM

I'm sure you know this, but hammer of the righteous with seal of justice is an aoe snare. That and it debuffs melee 10%. Free resilience and I never see rets use it
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 07:14 PM

I'm gonna try war ret rdruid. What do you think of that comp?
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 08:48 PM

I'm wondering if pvp power gems will be better than str gems since there is 320 pvp power on a gem but just 160 str, any ideas about that? o:
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Posted 03 October 2012 - 06:38 AM

pvp power all the way

get the str/power for red sockets, power/resil for yellow, and flat pvp power for blue
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Posted 03 October 2012 - 06:42 AM

Exactly what I was thinking, thx brah. :P
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Posted 03 October 2012 - 05:27 PM

Why haste reforge?
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