Vanguards Retribution Paladin PvP Guide (6.2)
Posted 15 July 2015 - 10:06 PM
Posted 15 July 2015 - 11:40 PM
But i'm wondering, because you hit the dummy pretty low.
Posted 16 July 2015 - 12:09 PM
There are different types of dummies: dungeong dummy, raid dummy, lvl 90, lvl 100 etc etc.
I hit 118k on PvP dummy in garrison at Glad Sanctum, with 7 epics, no S2 epic wep. Which is pretty fine, cuz it's pretty close to what you can hit in arena. I dunno why you think it's low tho.
Posted 16 July 2015 - 06:19 PM
I'm sorry i wasn't clear enough
Your FV hits "pretty" low, i hit aroung 90k on the PvP dummy, but my Mastery is much lower that yours.
I was only talking about FV, no mastery included. And there was my fault. Your mastery is higher than mine, so together we hit about the same.
It's not close to PvP, because the 15% dmg-reduction isn't included on this dummy, also you have full krit (200%), so these numbers aren't correct.
You cannot hit an enemy at the same gear-level with two pvp-trinkets, at this hight.
I ran with 20% versatility on the Liveserver, useing BoK and all the others buffs you get in a BG, and it's pretty hard to hit someone with even 60k FV.
Posted 16 July 2015 - 08:39 PM
I never said my stats tho on Live server, when I was talking about stats it was "My (Full S2 Epic) gearing:" . Those stats were counted when you have full Epic, all S2 Conq gear and it was around 56%~ mastery, 23% passive Vers, 12-15% crit/haste in non-pvp mode. So I have no idea yet how much I will actually hit in full set yet. But my goal is to hit 125k [FV + Mast] in arena :q
On Live Server, atm I have: 45% mastery, 16% vers, 10% haste, 12% crit in non-pvp mode. And I hit 118k [FV + mastery] on PvP dummy (which enables PvP mode). Dunno why it's so low if you say that. In arena I hit plenty of times 60k FV + 30k mastery (60k + 30k Divine Storm too). In BGs with all buffs + bers buff, the highest number I've seen was around 75k FV + 40k~ mastery.
Posted 16 July 2015 - 08:55 PM
According to this, you're talking about Live-Servers. Am i wrong?
Don't get me wrong, it's not that clear for me, that's why i'm asking.
As i said, your FV hits pretty low, but i corrected that, because you have more mastery, than i have.
Your your FV hits less than mine, but your mastery-proc hit harder.
Comparing your and mine, combined (FV+Mastery) will hit nearly the same.
I'm still wondering how this will be possible, because the damage of my FV is higher than yours. Even with the Glyphe "Word of Glory" it's hard to give someone a 60k FV crit.
Posted 17 July 2015 - 12:24 PM
Live Server, 7 epics and no wep: 45% mastery, 16% vers, 10% haste, 12% crit in non-pvp mode. I forgot about WOG glyph tho, was using different one for arena. Tried it today with WOG and I got: 82k FV + 44k Mastery = 126k total.
But oh well, I think there is another problem tho with Retri talents and I dunno what is the problem with it or it's Blizzard once again.
Final Verdict vs Empowered Seals:
I don't understand how it's possible, if it's me counting something wrong or something. FV is holy (magical damage, which ignores armor yap yap), TV is Physical, that's the only difference.
I tried it both of PvP dummy and Cloth player:
Final Verdict damage is higher than TV + 15% AP SoT buff. Without burst or anything FV hits for 30k~ , TV + 15% ap hits for 23k~ (1k AP more, 1-2k~ weapon damage), is it bugged or ignore armor is that good?
Posted 17 July 2015 - 04:27 PM
For dmg, it's the only difference, sure.
But i don't get it, why you hit so hard. I can only do crits like this on the pvp-dummy. I've never done this to player with the same itemlevel.
On the pupped, my TV (Emp. Seals specced) got it's highest hit with 70k+, and FV with 90k+.
On the PTR with full epic equip (no versatility items, because you can't buy them), if got over 100k+.
On the PvP-Dummy, that's ok.
Afaik that sounds ok, because armor is about 35% dmg-reduce for plate-classes.
But again i don't get it, how it should be possible for you, to hit enemies (arena) with a 60k FV (crit), with lower Versatiliy than me.
Something is wrong here -.- .
Posted 18 July 2015 - 02:22 PM
Something is wrong here -.- .
Well if you didn't change your gear recently and Armory doesn't lie. You have 10.64% vers, I have 13.75% vers (both in non-pvp mode) and if you didn't change trinkets, then it shows that you are using:
http://eu.battle.net...344?wowLocale=0 (1057 vers, which is 11% Vers in Arena I think).
On live server, my stats in arena when I used wings + On-use Vers trinket(BoM buffed, no WOG glyph used): 14.4% crit, 14.4% haste, 53.3% mastery, 10% multistrike, 31.33% versatility, 6k AP. 14705-16431 wep dmg. I hope it explains it :q Next week I finally get weapon, that's when the real fun begins.
Posted 18 July 2015 - 06:12 PM
And yes, i changed my gear in the last two days pretty often .
20% Versatility with the proc-trinket, which gives a) strength, and it has the higher burst. 60K was only possible with WoG-Buff (Glyphe). Even with crits like are pretty unique. That's why i've problem to believe you (i'm not telling that you lie, so don't get it wrong, thanks^^).
Posted 23 July 2015 - 01:49 PM
Posted 13 September 2015 - 10:25 AM
+305 str/+305 vers on equip (+403 in PvP). I'm not human though, is it worth using this at any point? Right now i'm using the str proc trinket, how about the on-use versa trinket as-well, is it worth taking to line up with burst?
Not sure what to use out of the 3. Thanks.
Posted 13 September 2015 - 07:54 PM
Why? Because the game ist fast and bursty. Ret doesn't have good substainded damage, so it's worth using it.
It may be ok, it the stats were higher.
Posted 16 September 2015 - 11:22 AM
you should use the on use trinket for more reliable burst phases. If you're good at tracking the cd and procc of the trinket you can go fort it but it's way easier to burst "correctly" with the on use trinket.
That goes especially when you use Execution Sentence in accordance with the on use trinket since both have a one minute cooldown.
Posted 18 September 2015 - 09:25 PM
Posted 22 September 2015 - 03:18 PM
With Emp. Seals you have much to do, and that can be pretty fun - or clunchy^^.
With FV it's more chilling.
I'm going to try the 4pc Setbonus. With DP it will have a much higher Uptime, than with HA.
The question is: Will it improve my damage? How much survivability am i going to lose?
Another things, that is pretty interesting:
Using items, were you benefits most gives more damage with and without burst.
Looking on wowhead and check the items on every slot. You'll see how much % you gain of each stat. Choose the item were you benefit most of both sec. stats.
You're mastery, haste and multistrike goes up, and all these three stats benefits from each other.
Pretty intersting to play though.
Posted 23 September 2015 - 11:34 PM
Posted 24 September 2015 - 08:53 AM
I'm going to play with 4pc setbonus and with the crit-insignia (i'm not human), so every stat is over 20% (Mastery is for sure much higher).
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