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#121 Lamo

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 01:26 PM

Is Execution Sentence still the talent to use or is it back to Holy Prism?

#122 glonglon

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 01:45 PM

View PostLamo, on 13 March 2014 - 01:26 PM, said:

Is Execution Sentence still the talent to use or is it back to Holy Prism?

View Postglonglon, on 25 February 2014 - 12:53 PM, said:


Holy prism damage is shitty, execution sentence can crit from 50-100k. I found out that the best moment to use it is during your avenging wrath+holy avenger burst cause it'll do significantly more damage. If my avenging wrath+holy avenger burst is not available I wait for my Insignia of victory proc to use it.  

You should use execution sentence offensively most of the time, this extra damage burst will often win you games and it can kill hunters in deterrence which is funny :)

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Posted 23 March 2014 - 05:41 PM

Hello there, i have a question about expertise.

Currently my human ret has 1668 expertise rating which puts me at +5.91% total. I can see 2 stats for expertise, one being the enemy's chance to dodge and the other being their chance to parry. The dodge chance has been 0% for a long time but for some the parry chance is still 0.09%. The guide suggests 3% expertise rating being the cap, am I missing something? Do I need to make that parry chance go to 0.00%?

#124 Qwey

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 11:42 AM

You don't *need* to get it to 0 but its probably not a bad idea (rng ftl).  I don't play melee much but I remember hearing something about needing 6% exp now to remove all chance of parry. (which matches your 6.00% - 5.91%= .09% parry)
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Posted 25 April 2014 - 08:07 AM

Updated guide, after a lot of testing I've decided to run "Crit" as the main off-stat rather than Haste or Mastery. Its given the best results in terms of all-round usefulness; burst and surviving.

We have very bad up-time this particular patch, partially due to our squishyness and how easy we have always been to CC. I feel Crit or Mastery can accomplish much more than haste now since our actual up-time in PvP is very low.
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Posted 30 April 2014 - 05:05 AM

Quick question: Wouldn't it be better to use Holy Prism vs team where you're going to probably focus the mage? Since if you ES him if he blocks you lose that dmg unless you use it after the 2nd blockish? I'm kinda confussed when to drop it

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 12:44 PM

View Postandrucho23, on 30 April 2014 - 05:05 AM, said:

Quick question: Wouldn't it be better to use Holy Prism vs team where you're going to probably focus the mage? Since if you ES him if he blocks you lose that dmg unless you use it after the 2nd blockish? I'm kinda confussed when to drop it

I definetly use it against mage. Our you might stick to ES and use it defensively if that can ease up some pressure on your team.

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Posted 03 June 2014 - 06:00 PM

Eliz from Sylvanas its making Mastery and Crit work wonderfully, while Avangelyne is making Haste and Crit as good of a choice. Seems like its a play style choice at this point with Crit being a common denominator.

Edit: For those still gearing, I am not sure if crit is a viable option before Prideful.




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