I am so sick of people complaining about rogues being weak...
This was my experience today with a terrible rogue:
Garrote 5 second silence into Cloak 5 more seconds of free damage kidney shot 5 second stun (15 seconds of non stop dmg so far)... once KS ends or I trinket --> vanish... I can't pull him out of stealth because of 4 second immunity yay I have to let him reopen... similar shit as before maybe he just wants to shadowdance with garrotes and cheapshots whatever... finish with a blind... reopen. I'm dead about 2 minutes ago.
Nothing I can do to stop it, I can't pull you out because of vanish 4 second immunity bs and I can't do any damage because I am either silenced/stunned or you are cloaked/stealthed.
God forbid I survive... you just blow sprint run away and re-stealth.
Yeah and I'll l2p once I am able to hit you with a fucking instant spell.
And if I port and you happen to not have vanish/blind/sprint (to run away and re-stealth)? Smoke bomb --> restealth. I can't touch you, do you realize how incredibly frustrating that is?
And in arena rogues are very viable. In 3v3 a sub rogue shuts casters down and mut hits like a truck. And do I have to mention smokebomb is basically an execute?
We're not really complaining about rogues not being viable. I personally hate the fact that we can 5sec silence with garrote, then 6sec kidney, and then follow that with a 5sec cloak, but if by any chance whatever it is we are killing is still alive by then, we pretty much lose as mutilate. We have no prep, and after vendetta is down, we have a much lower chance of killing that target.
As sub, we have no chance of killing anything outside of a dance + cooldowns. For example, sometimes we can't even manage to kill a warrior with a full fear on his pally into a full sap into a smokebomb kidney on the warr WITH my priest assisting as much as he can...
The main reason we are complaining is the current rogue playstyle. Speaking from a Disc Rogue perspective, if we are to win as mut, we basically have to zerg something down in 20 sec, or at least before vendetta is over. It's like popping bladestorm out of the gates, I just open and vendetta and pray it dies. If they have any sort of decent peels theres no way I'm going to kill anything. Not having prep after having it since FOREVER makes you feel handicapped.
As far as sub goes, you feel more in control, but as you burst into people, their health goes up. I can't manage to out damage a locks self healing as sub outside of dance...how do you expect me to kill him with a healer?
It's just the clunky playstyle of mut, and the low damage of sub that we are complaining about.
I agree that rogues aren't as bad as some classes, but obviously they are in a bad state as well.