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#1 Belligerent

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 05:54 PM

With over 500 mp5 on the PTR, I'm still running out of mana. No it's not fast, it's worse. You slowly run out of mana and it's impossible to get it back up with divine plea only returning 10% every 2 minutes, STILL HAS THE 50% healing debuff. Seal of wisdom is gone because they merged it with light and nerfed the shit out of it. Instead of 4% total mana, it's 4% base mana, aka like 170 mana chance on hit instead of like 1k+.

Anyways, wtb removal of the healing debuff on divine plea or make it undispelable.

Also, divine sac is gone, silences are full duration. Stuns are full duration. Fear are full duration. Holy shock heals for 30% less than it does on live. Word of glory is pretty much RNG. Instant flash of light is gone and replaced with .5 sec cast Holy Light if you crit a Holy Shock. Best part: Holy Light heals for 4,000, and it has a 2.5 sec base cast TALENTED. 2.5 sec to heal 4k rofl.

Flash of Light costs more mana than priest's Flash heal and heals for 2,000 less.

Light of Dawn is a joke, it heals for like 3k.

Unless you get to heal for more than 3x as much at 85, it's going to suck(frost bolts are almost 10k non crit in greens).

Yeah I'm waiting for a class to start and I needed to pass some time.
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#2 Avengelyne

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 06:07 PM

who cares if it's good or not? you play the spec you want to play.


Also Ret looks just as bad.
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#3 Belligerent

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 06:13 PM

Also Ret looks just as bad.


But Ret has always been bad. Also, I never mentioned not playing Holy. I was just saying it was going to suck, especially if everyone's still playing the wizards. Hand of Guldan root into deep freeze into 10 sec sheep>5 sec sheep> 10 sec fear> 5 sec fear> sheep dr resets> derp derp derp. That doesn't happen with the current 7 sec or less fears.
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#4 ToonVendor

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 06:15 PM

Quit the class so the true heroes can shine.
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#5 Incendaldin

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 06:15 PM

It is pretty awful >>. The only way to heal semi efficiently and actually keep somebody up is if you keep getting Daybreak procs, but even then...

Beacon is really cheap though, and it helps a ton with getting holy power for WoG. Might be like Sacred Shield where you throw it on whoever they're targeting and hope they don't dispel it >>.

My longest streak with WoG was 3 in a row. Awesome talent :rolleyes:
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Posted 04 October 2010 - 06:16 PM

But Ret has always been bad. Also, I never mentioned not playing Holy. I was just saying it was going to suck, especially if everyone's still playing the wizards. Hand of Guldan root into deep freeze into 10 sec sheep>5 sec sheep> 10 sec fear> 5 sec fear> sheep dr resets> derp derp derp. That doesn't happen with the current 7 sec or less fears.


Also without SS we will have zero preactive healing, while every other healer has it. And i think good Rets can do good right now, but if these changes stay even the best rets would be replaced by mediocre variants of other classes.

Edit: same goes for holy
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#7 eforsmo

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 06:17 PM

Wellwellwell, cataclysm is actually looking quite promising
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#8 Belligerent

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 06:18 PM

As long a no one in a battleground ever uses an interrupt
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#9 Rava

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 06:24 PM

I'm fairly certain beta/ptr numbers are not final so if you feel like everything is totally underwhelming you are probably right and can expect things to change up until dec 7th
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#10 Belligerent

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 06:26 PM

It's not just the healing numbers. Two of the strongest heals have 20% and 30% RNG procs that allow them to be used again. Why have RNG on both???
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Posted 04 October 2010 - 06:28 PM

so palas will see what it's like as a priest
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#12 Belligerent

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 06:32 PM

Maybe a priest in terrible gear. I've seen quite a few priests this season with upwards of 600 mp5 while casting, which pretty much allows them to keep doing SOMETHING forever. I thought exorcism was going to be on par with at least 75% of smite damage, but no, it's less than half. It hits for around 1600 on resil targets. Smite hits for 2800+ on 33% dmg reduc resil.
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#13 Elmolol

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 06:33 PM

pallys in general look terrible. prot is going to be the way to go if your a pally imo
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#14 Absolut

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 06:37 PM

We mana users welcome you to our group.
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#15 Belligerent

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 06:39 PM

What are the downsides of shadowfiend?
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#16 Absolut

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 06:42 PM

What are the downsides of shadowfiend?


Apart from the cooldown, travel time and all CC in the world, none.
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#17 Nerfmepls

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 06:43 PM

haha now u wont be able to faceroll anymoar
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#18 Zeíken1296684868

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 06:43 PM

Apart from the cooldown, travel time and all CC in the world, none.


+ bladestorm
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#19 stcolbert

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 06:44 PM

holy shit that sounds awful

good thing I have 2 other healer h3h3
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#20 Boness

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 06:45 PM

paladins, slowly going oom? what in the butt fuck kind of bullshit is this
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