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#41 hid

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Posted 06 October 2010 - 06:57 PM

a bit dmg loss for better survival :D


There's no "a bit" in losing 40% energy regen. It's a metric fuckton.
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 07:00 PM

feel free to drop a point from sanguinary vein for 3/3 CD. you can thank me any time.


2/3 CD is just so horrible that it isn't even an option. 3/3 or nothing, don't go and give the retards the idea that they got the option to stay 2/3 CD instead of dropping a point for 3/3.
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 07:07 PM

There's no "a bit" in losing 40% energy regen. It's a metric fuckton.


http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=79147

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Posted 06 October 2010 - 07:09 PM

it's probably better to drop a point from puncturing wounds than from sanguinary vein tbh. if you don't really like CD, energetic recovery is pretty nice too. i could see it being pretty significant at lower gear levels.

basically it's a choice between the points into CD, energetic recovery, and puncturing wounds. also, 2/3 CD works pretty much all the time. the only time it doesn't save you is 1/3 of the time when something would instantly kill you instead of just dropping you below 10%. tough choice between energetic recovery and CD though. it'll probably depend on what you're doing and how things play out overall for rogues.
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 07:14 PM

it's probably better to drop a point from puncturing wounds than from sanguinary vein tbh. if you don't really like CD, energetic recovery is pretty nice too. i could see it being pretty significant at lower gear levels.

basically it's a choice between the points into CD, energetic recovery, and puncturing wounds. also, 2/3 CD works pretty much all the time. the only time it doesn't save you is 1/3 of the time when something would instantly kill you instead of just dropping you below 10%. tough choice between energetic recovery and CD though. it'll probably depend on what you're doing and how things play out overall for rogues.


is rupture good at all to use that talent to refresh it?
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 07:16 PM

rupture owns.
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 07:29 PM

rupture owns.


okey I've heard recently from someone (I think ming) that rupture dot dmg is quite low
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 07:36 PM

All this talk about fucking sub, how is muti so useless? Just the mobility or what? how is the damage for it?
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 08:25 PM

basically it's a choice between the points into CD, energetic recovery, and puncturing wounds. also, 2/3 CD works pretty much all the time. the only time it doesn't save you is 1/3 of the time when something would instantly kill you instead of just dropping you below 10%. tough choice between energetic recovery and CD though. it'll probably depend on what you're doing and how things play out overall for rogues.


Unless they very recently changed that, without updating the tooltip, that's not how it works. It doesn't proc when you go below 10% hp, it procs when you would otherwise have died, and if the hit that would've killed you was bigger than your last 10% hp, you will be put at 10% instead of dying.

2/3 CD will be 100% useless 1/3 of the time.

Unless we end up having HUGE survivability problems @85, noone in their right mind will go for CD over energetic recovery (40% extra energy regen), so not really a tough choice IMO.
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 08:54 PM

so you don't disagree that you're all slaves and these specs are awful?

http://cata.wowhead....cbfZZfGc0duMRGo

feel free to drop a point from sanguinary vein for 3/3 CD. you can thank me any time.


Why 2/2 Nightstalker over Energetic Recovery or Initiative?
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 09:06 PM

I'd probably drop a point from HaT before CD tbh, just feels like one of those all or none talents (This depends hugely on how crits are when cata starts out and it may be something I go back and forth with regarding gear/crit scaling- I'm primarily biased because I haven't played PTR/85 and am used to BS critting 9/10 times +having rupture always up).



talking in reference to litre's spec, that is
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 09:06 PM

getting openers without camo is awful.

also, supposedly they changed CD always proc under 10% but i haven't actually tested that to find out. unless it's bugged, they changed it so that you don't need resil for it as well. they might've changed other shit about it too, idk. i've mostly just been laughing at all the garrote complaints in durotar.
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 09:12 PM

Tell the wizards to go screw
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 09:17 PM

Mm, I think for arenas you can Shadowstep/Sprint/Dark Flight for opener, so Nightstalker isn't as crucial.

For duels and sap wars it's another matter tho.
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 09:20 PM

Mm, I think for arenas you can Shadowstep/Sprint/Dark Flight for opener, so Nightstalker isn't as crucial.

For duels and sap wars it's another matter tho.


what's dark flight? o.O
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 09:26 PM

playing on live without camo is a nightmare, even with sprint glyph. you can't put every point into damage talents as subtlety. that's what speccing mutilate is for.
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 09:35 PM

has anyone messed around with combat at all?
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 09:39 PM

what's dark flight? o.O


http://www.wowwiki.com/Darkflight

playing on live without camo is a nightmare, even with sprint glyph. you can't put every point into damage talents as subtlety. that's what speccing mutilate is for.


Maybe, haven't played without Camo forever, so will need to give it a whirl.
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 09:39 PM

Not for a long time, but when I did the damage was bad. And by bad I mean gouging my own eye balls out and drining bleach bad.
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I don't see people's problems with this spell when you can do the same shit with Spell Steal and/or Spell Reflect.


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Posted 06 October 2010 - 09:44 PM

http://www.wowwiki.com/Darkflight



Maybe, haven't played without Camo forever, so will need to give it a whirl.


oh, thanks


got excited there was another new ability i missed or something
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