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#21 Shyter

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 05:31 AM

Aren't Garrote and Prep glyphs a lock for Major as Hemo Sub? That leaves out in my opinion Kick, Blind, and Crippling Poison glyphs as possible thirds. Or do people not value crip and kick that much anymore?

Kick will become more valuable with less haste imo.

I like ze gouge glyph!
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#22 Ashe

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 08:16 AM

Aren't Garrote and Prep glyphs a lock for Major as Hemo Sub? That leaves out in my opinion Kick, Blind, and Crippling Poison glyphs as possible thirds. Or do people not value crip and kick that much anymore?

Kick will become more valuable with less haste imo.


Uh, what? Hemorrhage is a Prime glyph.


cata.wowhead.com/talent#fzZbhbbZfGffbzcoho

Thoughts?


Backstab based spec without Lethality/Puncturing Wounds/HAT.
Giving up Sanguinary Veins for another 10% dmg loss.

No dice, bro, No dice.



Going for Imp Sprint / Imp Kick would only be viable in a Hemorrhage spec.
Something along the lines of 1/9/31, although you can Drop CD in favor of other talents.
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#23 Sicarius

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 09:10 AM

Finally got my beta and here is my input:

Recuperate is cute and nice for BG's and duels, but in arena i'd rather don't waste talent points in it.

This is what the best spec will be:

http://cata.wowhead....ucRho:azmskiVzm

Glyphs:

- Dance
- Backstab
- Hemo

- Prep
- Blind
- Garrote

- Poison
- Distract
- Blurred Speed

Rupture damage is really bad, garrote damage is good, backstab damage is very good, eviscerate hits hard obviously because of the mastery. Would like to see some space freed up in sub and an evasion redesign.

Assassination is just lol, the damage is beyond insane.. it's like casters, i think assassination might find a home in arena aswell. Venemous Wounds is really good, way stronger than it looks on paper.

All in all rogues look decent, not as good as casters.
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#24 Sicarius

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 09:32 AM

I like ze gouge glyph!


gouge glyph useless compared to the rest.
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Posted 05 October 2010 - 01:55 PM

Uh, what? Hemorrhage is a Prime glyph.



I never referred to Hemo as a major glyph. I was referring to it as a spec.
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Posted 05 October 2010 - 02:21 PM

gouge glyph useless compared to the rest.


No offence but how in the world do you keep getting unbanned :confused:

In terms of your spec i think energetic recovery is to good of a talent to pass up, the synergy it has when dance is up is amazing even in arena although ultimately not much choices are avaliable. Would most likely have to drop cheatdeath to pick it up.
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Posted 05 October 2010 - 02:51 PM

No offence but how in the world do you keep getting unbanned :confused:

In terms of your spec i think energetic recovery is to good of a talent to pass up, the synergy it has when dance is up is amazing even in arena although ultimately not much choices are avaliable. Would most likely have to drop cheatdeath to pick it up.


Dropping Cheat Death now that it is buffed and actually works? not a good idea.
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Carryme/Malladon talks about Shadow Lord Sicarius:

You should go over his posts over the course of the last month or so. He basically necro's the same thread but slaps a shiny new title on it and nominates himself the champion of all overly dramatic rogue justice and his goal to lead us to utterly overpowered salvation.


#28 Literacola

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 02:59 PM

these are some of the worst specs i have ever seen
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Posted 05 October 2010 - 03:02 PM

these are some of the worst specs i have ever seen


Got a better spec than this one?

http://cata.wowhead....ucRho:azmskiVzm

This seems to work best on beta for me.
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Carryme/Malladon talks about Shadow Lord Sicarius:

You should go over his posts over the course of the last month or so. He basically necro's the same thread but slaps a shiny new title on it and nominates himself the champion of all overly dramatic rogue justice and his goal to lead us to utterly overpowered salvation.


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Posted 05 October 2010 - 04:54 PM

I never referred to Hemo as a major glyph. I was referring to it as a spec.


Sorry, my bad then, misunderstood the context.


For Major Glyphs, I'd say Prep is the only one that is "core".
Then it's a question of Kick vs Crippling vs Garrote.

And I think Crippling isn't that crucial, since you have 20sec Shadowstep.


As for the Blind glyph, now that I think about it, with the promise of less "bursty" gameplay in Cataclysm, you'll probably kill people when you get a CC chain on the healer and not in a quick switch after they trinket a Kidney.

Ie, You open on the healer, force trinket, swap to the kill target, set up EA/Rupture then Blind the Healer after the dots on him are off.

Thus, Blind Glyph isn't all that important for 3v3.
Usable for BG's though.
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Posted 05 October 2010 - 06:37 PM

i didn't get u guys point entirely...
everyone is saying that backstab is op, but in the dmg "rotation" u guys suggest its all about keeping dots up spamming hemo?
could i get a concrete answer please? im lost :S
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Posted 05 October 2010 - 08:08 PM

these are some of the worst specs i have ever seen


What's the matter? Do you blow off all your creative steam from slaving on those Gameriot blogs? Because every post you've made here has been fucking shit.
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Posted 05 October 2010 - 10:34 PM

I've been thinking a bit about going FoK glyph as my 3rd major instead of kick/crip/prep for an insanely large (12 yards) AoE snare.
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Posted 05 October 2010 - 10:41 PM

What's the matter? Do you blow off all your creative steam from slaving on those Gameriot blogs? Because every post you've made here has been fucking shit.


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Posted 06 October 2010 - 05:51 AM

Did something change that makes it so rogues don't have to worry about poisons falling off as sub or what? Right now that is one of the most annoying things ever playing vs a sham or druid (pally too) only thing worse is both on the same team.

I keep hearing sub is gonna be the premier spec so was just wondering about that issue.
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 05:59 AM

there are no more passive cleansing things like abolish poison or cleansing totem etc so that alone will help out a lot.
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 06:04 AM

there are no more passive cleansing things like abolish poison or cleansing totem etc so that alone will help out a lot.


oh alright thanks
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 06:20 AM

Got a better spec than this one?


This seems to work best on beta for me.


I like this build also. Seems like it is going to be pretty close to a "cookie cutter" build for sub rogues.
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 04:51 PM

What's the matter? Do you blow off all your creative steam from slaving on those Gameriot blogs? Because every post you've made here has been fucking shit.


so you don't disagree that you're all slaves and these specs are awful?

http://cata.wowhead....cbfZZfGc0duMRGo

feel free to drop a point from sanguinary vein for 3/3 CD. you can thank me any time.
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 06:21 PM

so you don't disagree that you're all slaves and these specs are awful?

http://cata.wowhead....cbfZZfGc0duMRGo

feel free to drop a point from sanguinary vein for 3/3 CD. you can thank me any time.


a bit dmg loss for better survival :D
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