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#41 Blastz

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 11:30 PM

yea they can sit right next to syke and pain :D
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#42 daays

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Posted 06 November 2009 - 05:29 PM

Ok so just went through all the numbers and the gear you could use that's easily accessible with minimal work

Working off the standard 13/0/58 spec

Items:
101 - MH + OH
95 - Haste PvP trinket
128 - BM trinket
42 - WG ring (15 marks)
70 - 12sp/10 haste gems (7)
34 - Dragon's eye gem
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470 = Total haste = 14.3336%

Add in the flat 10% and you're at 24.3336% haste rating
Brings the 1.5 GCD down to 1.135, which I assume will be 1.1

Still hit capped at 160 hit (50, 50, 50, 12sp/10 hit gem)
Still spell pen capped at 121 (two +43 spell pen and +35 enchant)

Definitely worth it for the loss of 200-300sp.
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Posted 06 November 2009 - 07:25 PM

Not bad, still a bit harder to obtain for non-jc's.

You should post exactly what you're losing and gaining in all areas: Sp, stats, mp5, resil, etc.
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Posted 06 November 2009 - 07:36 PM

Should give you guys haste offset.
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Posted 06 November 2009 - 09:38 PM

Ok so just went through all the numbers and the gear you could use that's easily accessible with minimal work

Working off the standard 13/0/58 spec

Items:
101 - MH + OH
95 - Haste PvP trinket
128 - BM trinket
42 - WG ring (15 marks)
70 - 12sp/10 haste gems (7)
34 - Dragon's eye gem
_____________________________

470 = Total haste = 14.3336%

Add in the flat 10% and you're at 24.3336% haste rating
Brings the 1.5 GCD down to 1.135, which I assume will be 1.1

Still hit capped at 160 hit (50, 50, 50, 12sp/10 hit gem)
Still spell pen capped at 121 (two +43 spell pen and +35 enchant)

Definitely worth it for the loss of 200-300sp.

:*( i need to level jc but its such a pain
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#46 Zephron

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Posted 07 November 2009 - 01:28 PM

lol, keep this intouch when i go drood =D
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Posted 07 November 2009 - 06:31 PM

So how much MP5 do you lose from getting 500 haste? I wouldn't be so worried about the spellpower loss or the loss of defensive stats since the haste would make up for it, but more haste = you go oom a lot quicker + the loss of mp5.. Ugh.
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Posted 07 November 2009 - 06:51 PM

So how much MP5 do you lose from getting 500 haste? I wouldn't be so worried about the spellpower loss or the loss of defensive stats since the haste would make up for it, but more haste = you go oom a lot quicker + the loss of mp5.. Ugh.


Depends on what rings you use, how you gem, and etc.

But really you're just sacrificing the 25mp5 on the weapon for the haste.
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Posted 07 November 2009 - 07:29 PM

Ok so just went through all the numbers and the gear you could use that's easily accessible with minimal work

Working off the standard 13/0/58 spec

Items:
101 - MH + OH
95 - Haste PvP trinket
128 - BM trinket
42 - WG ring (15 marks)
70 - 12sp/10 haste gems (7)
34 - Dragon's eye gem
_____________________________

470 = Total haste = 14.3336%

Add in the flat 10% and you're at 24.3336% haste rating
Brings the 1.5 GCD down to 1.135, which I assume will be 1.1

Still hit capped at 160 hit (50, 50, 50, 12sp/10 hit gem)
Still spell pen capped at 121 (two +43 spell pen and +35 enchant)

Definitely worth it for the loss of 200-300sp.


I'm definitely going to try this out when next patch hits. The loss of only 200-300 spell power and little mp5 is more than worth it to have a nearly 1 second cyclone. Also, that haste gear doesn't seem too aggrivating to achieve.

Ps. I <3 daays/spoh.
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#50 Blastz

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Posted 07 November 2009 - 09:16 PM

I'm definitely going to try this out when next patch hits. The loss of only 200-300 spell power and little mp5 is more than worth it to have a nearly 1 second cyclone. Also, that haste gear doesn't seem too aggrivating to achieve.

Ps. I <3 daays/spoh.


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Posted 08 November 2009 - 04:03 AM

With this haste setup would a HT build be the way to go?

Also for engienners swap glove enchant for the haste one might be a good option? +340haste on a 20%uptime sounds tempting, though I like really love pyro rocket.

Wouldnt best profs become JC+eng?
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Posted 08 November 2009 - 04:22 AM

looks like i am leveling jc :(
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Posted 08 November 2009 - 04:46 AM

Ok PTR numbers using a 18/0/53(with Naturalist for HT) build:
475 haste
2630SP
(my own char, had to mix PVE gear to get the haste numbers close to what daays posted)


Cyclone: 1.08(PVP glove bonus)
Regrowth: 1.54
Nourish: 1.16
Healing Touch: 1.93

With hyperspeed accelarators:
(eng enchant only +340haste, 12sec duration, 60sec CD, offGCD, ~=20%uptime)
Cyclone: 0.99
regrowth: 1.41
Nourish: 1.06
Healing Touch: 1.77

So? what you guys think +haste eng enchant on gloves worth it? Think of it has our own PI

With all these haste a build with naturalist might be worth it? Gloves+HT when you really need those heals, HT heals 2xnourish(nonglyphed with at least 1hot on target) for a bit less then 2xmana not to mention that it gloves+HT it should only take you 3secs to top a target through MS.

But with nourish you can glyph it for more healing and you also have the +25%critc chance that might allow nature's grace/living seed, depending of how you spec.

Not sure of a proper build yet.

Would like some of the more experienced druids to give some thoughts on this, as in what build you're thinking in going to etc.

Ty angh
Ps: tried get nature's grace+gloves numbers but too laggy to be able to get it properly :S
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Posted 08 November 2009 - 05:09 AM

Ok PTR numbers using a 18/0/53(with Naturalist for HT) build:
475 haste
2630SP
(my own char, had to mix PVE gear to get the haste numbers close to what daays posted)


Cyclone: 1.08(PVP glove bonus)
Regrowth: 1.54
Nourish: 1.16
Healing Touch: 1.93

With hyperspeed accelarators:
(eng enchant only +340haste, 12sec duration, 60sec CD, offGCD, ~=20%uptime)
Cyclone: 0.99
regrowth: 1.41
Nourish: 1.06
Healing Touch: 1.77

So? what you guys think +haste eng enchant on gloves worth it? Think of it has our own PI

With all these haste a build with naturalist might be worth it? Gloves+HT when you really need those heals, HT heals 2xnourish(nonglyphed with at least 1hot on target) for a bit less then 2xmana not to mention that it gloves+HT it should only take you 3secs to top a target through MS.

But with nourish you can glyph it for more healing and you also have the +25%critc chance that might allow nature's grace/living seed, depending of how you spec.

Not sure of a proper build yet.

Would like some of the more experienced druids to give some thoughts on this, as in what build you're thinking in going to etc.

Ty angh
Ps: tried get nature's grace+gloves numbers but too laggy to be able to get it properly :S
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Off the top of my head HT costs like 1100 mana. The mana to healing ratio is pretty bad compared to nourish when you consider nourishes 35-40ish % to crit.
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Posted 08 November 2009 - 05:23 AM

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Posted 08 November 2009 - 06:40 AM

Off the top of my head HT costs like 1100 mana. The mana to healing ratio is pretty bad compared to nourish when you consider nourishes 35-40ish % to crit.

Yes though nourish is 570ish and heals 50%(unglyphed) for what HT heals, but HT has -25% crit chance.

Thanks just want to see some feedback on this, to see what people think about this, also the fastest nourish's might make the glyphed nourish more appealing also cause you can build the hots faster.

Just looking for tips.

What about the hyperspeed enchant on gloves, any thoughts?
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Posted 08 November 2009 - 07:48 AM

That HT build spec will never work, its not how this class works go play paladin if you wanna spam a 1 sec or less cast to heal yourself
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Posted 08 November 2009 - 08:51 AM

That HT build spec will never work, its not how this class works go play paladin if you wanna spam a 1 sec or less cast to heal yourself


Ty

The more I think about it the more I think it wouldnt work well, not only mana but wasting talents for it, though idea wasnt to spam it but being able to use it now and then instead(sometimes depending of the healing needed, not removing nourish from the bars for HT ofc) of nourish.

What do you think about the glove eng enchant though? Worth it or staying with pyro?
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Posted 08 November 2009 - 08:13 PM

Ty

The more I think about it the more I think it wouldnt work well, not only mana but wasting talents for it, though idea wasnt to spam it but being able to use it now and then instead(sometimes depending of the healing needed, not removing nourish from the bars for HT ofc) of nourish.

What do you think about the glove eng enchant though? Worth it or staying with pyro?


You need that huge heal from NS in 3s, not a 4k ns ht.. but id say go with haste in 3s since pyro wont be that big in 3s, but if youre doing dbl healer go pyro
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Posted 08 November 2009 - 08:41 PM

You need that huge heal from NS in 3s, not a 4k ns ht.. but id say go with haste in 3s since pyro wont be that big in 3s, but if youre doing dbl healer go pyro


Ty :P
Btw I was talking about a talented non-glypehd HT, that was my idea, think you got the idea I was talking about HT build with glyph.
I was meaning with these haste speccing naturalist for the >2secs 100& HT's :P
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