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#21 Gari

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 01:50 PM

btw i could rage rly hard about still having to use that shitty ilvl 213 wg insignia. :(


Yeah, me too, hate that i cant be human.

About the PvE pugs, dunno, I could get into a good rading guild, but seems a pain. And our pugs, not even sure what they do, Cho'gall has a nice progression hordside, but i dont wanna even try to get it.

Lastly, yep, the chest is awesome, heres the link with it http://www.wowhead.c...rofile=17250274 it puts the druid into:

- 2980 healing
- 525 haste from gear (16.48%), with talents it will be 29.48%
- 795 resilience
- 5.72% hit
- 87 spellpen

And my interest in this is mostly theoretical. Haste will enter too late into the season to have an impact, and i run double healer, which means i dont have amazing peels and i am a very likely targer thus 900 res is what i like at least.

Maybe i will talk the warr and priest to switch to lock/hunter next season. They both have alts waiting to be played. :P
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Posted 03 November 2009 - 01:53 PM

cool,my 258 Resto gear might actually be worth using,say 258 cloak/bracers/belt/chest/ring is worth it in 3.3 then?
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Posted 03 November 2009 - 01:58 PM

We still have to wait and see, but for now, i would say def yes.
If you have like all PvE Items that are worth it, start farming the 108 res insignia and profit.
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#24 Gari

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 02:05 PM

say 258 cloak/bracers/belt/chest/ring is worth it in 3.3 then?

If you are talking about current items, bracers/belt/chest/ring are the best places to get that 258 PvE items in. Mainly because those are the spirit offpieces, and spirit aint worth much in double DPS 3s, well, and because the ring is crap.

Legs for tier legs instead of chest is also a very good option. Boots aint because the 258 ones are cirt. Cloack only for the 272 one, because the cloack have hit which you need.
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Posted 03 November 2009 - 03:50 PM

Rejuv tick rate going from every 3 seconds to 2 seconds glyphed? I'm not sure if that's worth it sacrificing all the regen and I definitely wouldn't give up any spell power for haste. There is the whole issue of GCD for other hots but afaik it's still going to be the same for LB which is the hardest one to stack. I know there's some gear with mp5/haste or spirit/haste and I might wear a couple of those pieces.

I also find it completely unbelievable that you don't have games come down to mana every 6 or so games and if you don't it's because you have regen as it is right now.
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Posted 03 November 2009 - 05:20 PM

Why you say that?

Faster GCD gets hots up quicker, which helps deal with swaps
You heal faster with rejuve, which is more healing quicker


Balance hots on 3 targets when they come off faster then you can manage, + with a spam purging team which anyone with an iq over 20 will do your hots can go as fast they want, they're still coming off.
useless.
Theres no problem healing something if they're sitting on it therefore useless.
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Posted 03 November 2009 - 05:28 PM

Less gbcds spending on Hot stacking = more free room to cc targets.
Its actually better to cc something then "nourish spam heal through it" which lot of ppl were complaining about atm.
And Mana was never ever an issue in 3s atleast for me.

So overall this change looks realy good to me.
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Posted 03 November 2009 - 05:35 PM

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 06:12 PM

dunno im still sceptical, what does 6-700 haste and all the talents bring the cyclone/root/nourish/regrowth cast times down too?
And how much spell power do you loose?
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Posted 03 November 2009 - 07:00 PM

dunno im still sceptical, what does 6-700 haste and all the talents bring the cyclone/root/nourish/regrowth cast times down too?
And how much spell power do you loose?


He posted the numbers in the first post man...
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Posted 03 November 2009 - 10:32 PM

id agree with you daays if i dont have to farm new offpieces =D
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Posted 03 November 2009 - 10:42 PM

And mana efficiency ...?
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Posted 03 November 2009 - 11:07 PM

And mana efficiency ...?


Thats the reason i wont do it, as double healer warr i need the mana efficiency and the mana regen. Each game that i can have the luxury of innervating the priest is a game in wich our offensive pressure is amazing.

And about the output, well, i guess it is different for each druid, but for me rejuv is around 30%-40% healing in average, with the item set i last linked my rejuv would go from 800ish HPS to 1200ish HPS with a loss of resilience, while lowering the GCD of my hots even more than live, and making nouris and cyclone 1.1 ish second cast.

Honestly it sounds impressively promising for 3s with high CC/peels.
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Posted 03 November 2009 - 11:46 PM

Rejuv for me is at best 25%, with lifebloom being 40+%
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Posted 03 November 2009 - 11:57 PM

Yeah, rejuv its less % of the healing the more damage there is. I do mainly 2s and double healer 3s, thats why it heals more for me.
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Posted 04 November 2009 - 01:41 AM

I'd be pretty skeptical about gemming and gearing specifically around haste. I think some haste will be good to have, but getting your hots up faster isnt going to amount to much when youre down ~300-400 sp. Yes, you will potentially be able to deal with swaps better, but against most teams, they aren't that difficult to predict or you will be sitting through a lengthy cc chain wishing you had that extra sp to keep your hp pool higher. A healthy mix of both will be best imo, don't go sacrificing sp or stats for small haste gains.
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Posted 04 November 2009 - 01:51 AM

I did the math with 3.3 glyph of faster rejuv, and if I gemmed haste with full PVP gear and haste MH/OH my heals per sec on rejuv would go from 824 to 845, which is a pretty big jump. I think with this season's spellpower we can hit the point where haste is better than getting more spellpower. Plus 1.2sec cyclones are HAWT

(with haste gear I had 12.96% haste and 3066 SP with the triumph trinket, with sp gear I had 3237 SP and 5.58% haste)

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 09:39 AM

i think some haste will be good but it probly wont be worth sacrificing alot of spellpower/other stats for it.
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Posted 04 November 2009 - 10:52 PM

I'd be pretty skeptical about gemming and gearing specifically around haste. I think some haste will be good to have, but getting your hots up faster isnt going to amount to much when youre down ~300-400 sp. Yes, you will potentially be able to deal with swaps better, but against most teams, they aren't that difficult to predict or you will be sitting through a lengthy cc chain wishing you had that extra sp to keep your hp pool higher. A healthy mix of both will be best imo, don't go sacrificing sp or stats for small haste gains.


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Posted 04 November 2009 - 11:29 PM

As long as you carry em :).
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