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#1 Bigcritz

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 03:08 AM

With the new frozen core change, the -1 on frostbolt, will it be possible to instant cast Frostbolts with good haste and either heroism/icy veins/power infusion up?

I mean if you get a 1 second cast time with haste + CDs and get the frozen core proc, than will you be able to just instant cast it? and will you have to stop moving you think?
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#2 Taiyoken

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 03:20 AM

It won't be possible to cast frostbolts while moving, because all the -x talents count first.

FB = 3 sec cast - 0.5 (imp fb) - 1.0(frozen core) - 0.2(emp fb) = 1.3 second FB.

No matter how much haste you get, you can never reach 100% haste from spells/buffs because they all stack multiplicatively, so...

IV: 20%, Lust: 30%, passive haste ~30% (in venruki's case), scale of fates = 13% haste, wrath of air = 5% haste, power infusion = 20% haste

1.3 * 0.8 = 1.04 * 0.7 = 0.728 * 0.7 = 0.51 * 0.87 = 0.44 * 0.95 = 0.42 * 0.8 = 0.34 second cast

edit: I put scale of fates cause the eng gloves puts a 10 second cd on the trinket, although it only adds 10% haste so if you wait 10 seconds you can get it down to 0.31 seconds.
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#3 Bigcritz

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 03:24 AM

I see, well thats good for balance reasons, (lol at the change & balance anyways). But It definitely makes the play style almost the same as before, I was hoping for more run and gun.
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#4 Billyqt

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 04:14 AM

pi and lust dont stack
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#5 Taiyoken

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 04:54 AM

I figured as much
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#6 Hâvok1296680105

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 05:04 AM

did you just say "multiplacatively"?

/bow
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#7 Taiyoken

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 05:37 AM

multiplicatively*

was i supposed to say something else? >_>
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#8 Vidra

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 07:42 AM

pi and lust dont stack


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besides this change wont go live
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#9 jizoke

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 07:48 AM

Hopefully they'll change frozen core into something more useful and debloat the frost tree.
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Posted 18 October 2009 - 07:51 AM

I'm all for frost pve buffs, but there's no reason for this change to go in, considering how it would influence pvp.
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Posted 18 October 2009 - 09:22 AM

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besides this change wont go live


Why not? I played around with it on PTR, it's not OP at all. It's really, really not.
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#12 Chikusho

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 09:53 AM

Its buff for mages which not stack as much haste imo
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#13 berethorn

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 10:00 AM

Or give mage the option to stack crit, and not that much haste.


naw j/k
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#14 Youdienow

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 11:15 AM

You gain 50% haste against Frozen targets.
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#15 berethorn

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 11:16 AM

Increase the effect of shatter by 20%
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#16 adanan

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 11:18 AM

no haste is additive or we would see 0 sec spells already its all multiplicative yes MULTIPLICATIVE
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#17 Assamit

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 11:48 AM

some trol mage have 1s or 0.99+ cast FB ...iv+bl+trink+trolracial ...
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#18 Sindelle

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 03:49 PM

ok?
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Posted 19 October 2009 - 02:07 AM

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besides this change wont go live


didn't people say that about the feral druid buff last past?
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Posted 19 October 2009 - 02:37 AM

didn't people say that about the feral druid buff last past?


Yep, but hey maybe this time it won't, right?
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