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#41 Stratos

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 05:43 PM

DK's just don't have the pressure of other classes, their single target dps just isn't there.

Who would you rather have nuking you a DK or a armor-pen warrior? or lock or prot pally.

DKs work in the arena because they have amazing peels, but without stacked team-mates in stacked comps it's meh.

And then 5's, good luck finding the cleansing totem, every team has a shaman.
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#42 Wibang

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 06:47 PM

Played my first 5v5 matches since s5 and we ended up around 28-7 or so with 2k mmr, was 28-4 before we faced some ele destro team who globaled us in 3 games. Funny thing is, they had balls to call us faceroll comp after that :rolleyes: .
Our comp is druid,resto shaman,hunter,ret,dk.

What i did bring in game was cc, i did wayyy less damage than others, most of games i did half the damage hunter did..Even hes pet was near me sometimes ( the 2 headed white one wich do amazing damage ). After changing to Death coil specc my damage was improved dramatically.

Who ever says its possible to always just mouseover the totem and kill it..you are so wrong. Not to mention hp bars are moving constantly..its madness. If there is everyone on the same spot with the totems, you actually need to stop moving and find it so the bars dont jump around all the time. ( faced one team with 2 shamans...hehe).

But yeah, ONLY problem i faced in 5v5 was the totem(+ global comps)..as blizzard made very clear, our damage is based on ticking dots now, not scourge strike.

Fix disease totem pls :)
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#43 Zez

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 06:59 PM

didnt read pages 2-4, but why would you bring a dk to arena when enha shaman provides better interrupt, more dmg, totems, heroism?
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Posted 16 October 2009 - 07:07 PM

didnt read pages 2-4, but why would you bring a dk to arena when enha shaman provides better interrupt, more dmg, totems, heroism?


dg? ;P

But yeah..there is no reason to bring dk over other classes.

It still doesnt mean you cant make dk work in some teams.
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#45 Reisha

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 07:14 PM

didnt read pages 2-4, but why would you bring a dk to arena when enha shaman provides better interrupt, more dmg, totems, heroism?


chains, grip, MORE dmg and ae pressure?
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#46 ragzdog

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 07:17 PM

didnt read pages 2-4, but why would you bring a dk to arena when enha shaman provides better interrupt, more dmg, totems, heroism?


lol....
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Posted 16 October 2009 - 07:22 PM

lol....


how is thier interrupt not better shorter cooldown and has a huge range..
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Posted 16 October 2009 - 07:26 PM

ae pressure?


lol :confused:, not in 5v5


About the shaman interrupt..pls make it melee =O
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Posted 16 October 2009 - 09:55 PM

how is thier interrupt not better shorter cooldown and has a huge range..


He must still think ghoul stun is a 30 second CD.
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Posted 16 October 2009 - 09:59 PM

I think death knights definitely need a bunch of tweaking done in 3s and 5s, they're fine in 2s but since that doesnt matter any longer theres no reason to balance around it, and as I understood blizzard wanted to focus on 3s and 5s.
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#51 Zoldak

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 10:04 PM

i want to post in this thread so badly
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#52 Stratos

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 10:19 PM

I think death knights definitely need a bunch of tweaking done in 3s and 5s, they're fine in 2s but since that doesnt matter any longer theres no reason to balance around it, and as I understood blizzard wanted to focus on 3s and 5s.


This is the heart of it really, 2's dks are awesome, anything else is a cluster unless you run lame comps or play on a shitty bg.
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Posted 16 October 2009 - 11:07 PM

lol :confused:, not in 5v5


i'm outdpsing every other class in 5s :| and about 35-40% of my dmg is coming from my diseases. though it's annoying since i'm just running after cleansing totem and telling my mates every single game that they should stomp it immediately if they can :D
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Posted 16 October 2009 - 11:41 PM

i'm outdpsing every other class in 5s :| and about 35-40% of my dmg is coming from my diseases. though it's annoying since i'm just running after cleansing totem and telling my mates every single game that they should stomp it immediatly if they can :D


Yea i know, if you can keep the totem down, we are on bar..but if not...man we suck :P
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Posted 17 October 2009 - 12:47 AM

i'm outdpsing every other class in 5s :| and about 35-40% of my dmg is coming from my diseases. though it's annoying since i'm just running after cleansing totem and telling my mates every single game that they should stomp it immediatly if they can :D


the damage isn't meaningful though. yeah you do a ton but it's spread over 3+ targets and all it takes is one aoe heal every few seconds to top them off.
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Posted 17 October 2009 - 09:54 AM

i think we are pretty ok atm, its other classes that need burst nerfs. Hopefully tho the SS changes wont turn out to be a nerf cause that would be pretty retarded :P
The only really broken thing about dks is not 2v2 and 3v3, but 5v5 imo. I gave up on that since your fighting 90% of the teams with every disease cleansing possible: hpala, dpriest, shaman(every spec). Having a Hpala cleansing, totem down, AND abolish really is retarded and makes 5v5 so frustrating to play. other than that, finding 3v3 quite fun except when facing some spellcleave
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Posted 17 October 2009 - 09:56 AM

i think we are pretty ok atm, its other classes that need burst nerfs. Hopefully tho the SS changes wont turn out to be a nerf cause that would be pretty retarded :P
The only really broken thing about dks is not 2v2 and 3v3, but 5v5 imo. I gave up on that since your fighting 90% of the teams with every disease cleansing possible: hpala, dpriest, shaman(every spec). Having a Hpala cleansing, totem down, AND abolish really is retarded and makes 5v5 so frustrating to play. other than that, finding 3v3 quite fun except when facing some spellcleave


This :).
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Posted 17 October 2009 - 09:57 AM

WHY PLAY TSG ? TAKE 2 WARRIORS
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#59 dkcarries

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Posted 17 October 2009 - 11:07 AM

dk is fine
in pve, dk is not a pvp class
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#60 Zez

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Posted 17 October 2009 - 01:31 PM

but some ppl actualy like dk pvp ?:)
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