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#1 konsept

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 09:42 PM

How is it working out? How do you do against Plate teams? I'm logged on right now trying to decide which weapon spec to go and what to stack and need some help on what to decide. I checked out the other threads but none of em really talk about stacking Strength.
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#2 leftclaw

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 09:43 PM

~2.5k crits on Holy Paladins, that's with 3pc Deadly, 2pc Furious, Full Relentless Offpieces, and T1 weap.
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#3 Voodoomoose

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 09:46 PM

I feel like I still do a ton of damage being full str. I have like 4850 ap unbuffed with 900 resil and can kill anything in plate except for like prot paladins.
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 09:47 PM

It's been proved so many times to be inferior, stop trying to be snowflakes imo
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#5 konsept

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 09:52 PM

It's been proved so many times to be inferior, stop trying to be snowflakes imo


How and from who?
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 10:05 PM

ArP out performance str on all targets.
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 10:42 PM

How and from who?


Search function, type ARP vs STR.

Result in billions of threads.
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 10:45 PM

It's horrible against plate teams.
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 10:45 PM

It's been proved so many times to be inferior, stop trying to be snowflakes imo


Eh, if you don't have an arp trinket, str is miles ahead of arp imo. You get to have a superior weapon spec, TONS more survivability, and your damage is only slightly behind on most targets.
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 10:48 PM

how do you have tons more survivability
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 10:51 PM

how do you have tons more survivability


No PvE gear.
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"Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear."

this game would be far better if either;

A. Casters could cast while moving or
B. Melee couldnt hit while moving

- Masque, EU Hellscream http://forums.wow-eu...266716&sid=1#12

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 11:18 PM

Okay there's a lot of garbage mechanics being thrown around. I'll lay out a few things straight for you. I did a bunch of configuring and testing in my spreadsheet using a 900 resilience and variable armor targets and proper PvP gear and glyphs.

ArP is better than STR on anything above 6k armor. Most classes have more than that. including priests with inner fire. So ArP is better under the cap since you can always gem beyond the str/ArP inflection point even with full mostly resi gear.


that's taken from the ''arp better against cloth?'' thread. Now Landsoul is the guy that created the spreadsheet from EJ, and if anyone know the mechanics of this game concerning warriors it's him. Stop spreading these misconceptions, the only class you're hitting harder against than an arp geared warrior are clothies dumb enough to forget to put their armor buffs on. Even going full pvp gear socketed with arp will net you more dmg against all classes and it'll give you the same survivability. He even says later that there's no setup where sword/str outdo sword/arp, which seems to be the way everyone without access to pve seems to gear.
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 11:20 PM

Can someone please tell me why warriors without GT/MjR aren't using maces?
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 11:34 PM

is str better than arp on armor capped targets(deep wounds vs shit white damage)?????
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 11:40 PM

is str better than arp on armor capped targets(deep wounds vs shit white damage)?????


Pretty sure it's not. (no maths to back me up, but I'm still pretty sure)
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 11:50 PM

there are no armor capped targets in pvp anyway so was rather theoretical question
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#17 Jspot

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 11:56 PM

Something like 1-2k more life and 250+ more resilience?

If you don't have an arp trinket you are stuck with 2 options:

Either stack PvE gear combined with mace spec and you can pull off around 750 resil.

Or stack PvE gear even more with sword or axe and you will be well below 700 resil.

With strength you get to use full PvP gear wearing 900+ resil easy.

And I highly doubt socketing pvp gear with armor pen outperforms strength. With NO PvE gear you will be running what, 20-30% armor pen in battle stance? Hard to believe that will net you more damage than 5k unbuffed AP, maybe I'm wrong.
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Posted 07 October 2009 - 12:19 AM

Well I just gem for ArP and have yet to get my hands on those sexy trinkets :D and so far working well for me!
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Posted 07 October 2009 - 12:29 AM

that's taken from the ''arp better against cloth?'' thread. Now Landsoul is the guy that created the spreadsheet from EJ, and if anyone know the mechanics of this game concerning warriors it's him. Stop spreading these misconceptions, the only class you're hitting harder against than an arp geared warrior are clothies dumb enough to forget to put their armor buffs on. Even going full pvp gear socketed with arp will net you more dmg against all classes and it'll give you the same survivability. He even says later that there's no setup where sword/str outdo sword/arp, which seems to be the way everyone without access to pve seems to gear.


Did he take not having an ARP trinket into account?
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#20 Voodoomoose

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Posted 07 October 2009 - 01:04 AM

Something like 1-2k more life and 250+ more resilience?

If you don't have an arp trinket you are stuck with 2 options:

Either stack PvE gear combined with mace spec and you can pull off around 750 resil.

Or stack PvE gear even more with sword or axe and you will be well below 700 resil.

With strength you get to use full PvP gear wearing 900+ resil easy.

And I highly doubt socketing pvp gear with armor pen outperforms strength. With NO PvE gear you will be running what, 20-30% armor pen in battle stance? Hard to believe that will net you more damage than 5k unbuffed AP, maybe I'm wrong.


You aren't comparing 5k AP to 20-30% ArP though, you are comparing however much AP you get from gems alone to 20-30% ArP. Someone did the math and said that wearing full pvp gear with full ArP gems is more damage than full pvp gear with full str gems. Gemming ArP in no way will diminish the amount of survivability you have compared to gemming strength.
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