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#101 Cuddlybunnyz

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 07:00 AM

why do people feel the need to cry about their viability, this thread is about the burst lava burst does with the pve bonus and the fact it can be EM'd, thats it, not rocket science

also lol at thinking sitting on the shaman can stop their damage/burst? its called having 2 casting trees, apparently sitting on destruction warlocks totally stops their damage/cc too?

burst only needs to happen once, considering EM'd lava burst and a shock is over half of someones health pool i would say sitting on the shaman does not shut them down

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 07:13 AM

I have never been crit for more than 6k from a lava burst. I even had my own shammies on my team keep critting me to test it out. I have about the same resil as you in my 3's gear/spec.

I highly doubt you got crit for that much.


Sorry meit, I did get crit for that much.

And average crits are all above 7k on me from wizard cleaves.


But, lets say I was wrong about him not wearing 4x tier9, which i'm 99.9% sure he did not wear.
It's still way too high.
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#103 Mackabre

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 07:51 AM

I'm not defending wizard cleaves nor am I saying burst is too low. Anyone who's playing arena right now can see that ele shammies, locks, warriors, hunters are all doing a lot of dmg.

However, this thread is about the pve set bonus, which I believe should not penalize people who can't access it. They should nerf the bonus rather than the spell itself.
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Posted 01 October 2009 - 09:00 AM

also lol at thinking sitting on the shaman can stop their damage/burst? its called having 2 casting trees, apparently sitting on destruction warlocks totally stops their damage/cc too?


And you really believe that an elemental Shaman pumping lightning bolts into a melee will really kill them, even after the stated drop in spell power, the reduced survivability, or the basic fact that lighting bolt is a 2 second cast for a high 5.5k Critical?

burst only needs to happen once, considering EM'd lava burst and a shock is over half of someones health pool i would say sitting on the shaman does not shut them down


Which is what defensive cooldowns were created for. If you can't stop the actual lava burst from being cast, every class has a way of either reducing the damage or stopping it all together.

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Because every Shaman runs with a Paladin.


You've stated to having played Elemental but these theories that you've made do little to support that claim. Any Elemental Shaman can tell you that a dedicated dispelling Priest or Paladin shuts down our burst completely and truly believing that a 4 piece PvE geared Shaman can shut down any class in a global speaks nothing but biased opinion to the actual Elemental spec it's self.

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Just to clarify: Elemental Shaman's damage is higher then most other caster dps classes, rivaled only by Destruction Warlocks and Arcane Mages. In my opinion, Elemental Shamans come in second with Destruction Warlocks in having the most burst capabilities, with Elemental Shamans coming out ahead in the short term thanks to Blood Lust but suffering in the long run after Blood Lust is over. However, all three of these specs trade important defensive cooldowns in comparison to their other dps specs (with Destruction Warlocks being the exception when dealing with incoming caster damage) for their burst, an exchange Blizzard is determined to keep. Warlocks trade instant HoT, Mages trade an extra Ice Block, and Elemental Shamans trade Shamanistic Rage.

If you're truly determined to complain about "unhealable/unpreventable" damage, my Arcane Mage has done 16,000 Arcane Blasts and 18,000 Arcane Barrages on 900 Resilience.
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Posted 01 October 2009 - 09:03 AM

Sorry meit, I did get crit for that much.

And average crits are all above 7k on me from wizard cleaves.


But, lets say I was wrong about him not wearing 4x tier9, which i'm 99.9% sure he did not wear.
It's still way too high.


CoE adds 13% increased spell damage taken if I'm not mistaken which would account for the extra thousand damage.
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Posted 01 October 2009 - 01:18 PM

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 03:38 PM

so what you are telling me is that being able to NS that cast for 10k (yes, that is how much it does with the set and CoE up) and add the standard lightning bolt or CL beforehand and a shock after is albeit less than what a destruction warlock can do, but still too much for one spell to be doing every 8 seconds

i got conflagged for 11k last night with tricks and coe while wearing 1150 resil, no spell should be doing that much damage right now in a single cast its not just elemental shamans

and the love of god, i already said like 5 times the only thing that needs to be looked at is the set bonus not the spell, i already know they wont change the spell for pve reasons
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Posted 01 October 2009 - 03:43 PM

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 03:44 PM

Let's change pve because of pvp :D.

Yeah that will happen :).
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Posted 01 October 2009 - 04:03 PM

This thread is pretty pointless

Anyone saying an elemental shaman is not viable outside wizard cleaves should honestly learn to play.

Besides, it's retarded to see all the clueless elemental shamans trying to justify something just to feel better about their own "success" or w/e you call it, rofl.


I agree with OP about the burst, as I said earlier.
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Posted 01 October 2009 - 04:09 PM

did you mean clueless elemental shamans justifying it, because in that case i agree wholeheartedly

news flash: getting ratings in season 7 wearing that gear with little previous success should throw up a red flag that SOMETHING has changed, and its not a gigantic leap in elemental shaman skillz to pay the billz honeys
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Posted 01 October 2009 - 04:10 PM

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 04:18 PM

lavaburst remeber me DK's old frost strike
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Posted 01 October 2009 - 04:20 PM

lavaburst remeber me DK's old frost strike



You can easily compare them, yep.





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Posted 01 October 2009 - 04:23 PM

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 04:23 PM

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this just results in me calling you on xfire and singing bsb, u want that+??
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Posted 01 October 2009 - 04:34 PM

this just results in me calling you on xfire and singing bsb, u want that+??


only cuz i want it that wayyyyy
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Posted 01 October 2009 - 04:41 PM

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Woops 7k it seems. This is with clearcasting and only 1 stack of focused will before the lava burst. It's still a bit far off from 8.7k and way far from 10k.

Here's the shammy's armory
http://www.wowarmory...ecrown&n=Mahaha
Also not in "GREEN GEARS"


Ok so, found the shaman who crit me for 8.7k, while playing lock/pala/ele shaman.

http://eu.wowarmory....Outland&n=Qreep

No tier9.
It was 8.7k, some is because of the CoE, but it's still ridiculous.
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Posted 01 October 2009 - 05:23 PM

Ok so, found the shaman who crit me for 8.7k, while playing lock/pala/ele shaman.

http://eu.wowarmory....Outland&n=Qreep

No tier9.
It was 8.7k, some is because of the CoE, but it's still ridiculous.


clearly l2decurse duh :rolleyes:
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Posted 01 October 2009 - 06:13 PM

only cuz i want it that wayyyyy


back off toots he was talkin to me
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