Holy Hybrid Repentance (37/0/34) by Altiare
PLEASE READ: Do not comment over Blessed Life over Light's Grace, this is your preference, if you wish to put points in Light's Grace over Blessed Life, by all means do. This is WHY I have a Variations part to the guide
NOTE: THIS SPEC WILL NOT WORK WITH EVERY TEAM.
This is Primarily a 2v2 Spec, not 3's or 5's.
Strengths: (Based on vs DP spec)
- Judgements of the Wise
- Repentance
- Improved Parry
- Blessed life
- Maintain IoL - Infusion of Light
- Eye for an Eye - 20% critical back to attacker Reduced Cooldown on Judgment by 2 seconds
Disadvantages: (Based on vs DP spec)
- Divine Illumination
- Judgements of the Pure
- Lights Grace
- Enlighted Judgements
That said, there are a few points that can float around in this spec, and I'm going to list them all with the new spec as well
Variations
1) 4/5 DI with 3/5 Holy Guidance 3/3 Blessed Life
2) 5/5 DI with 3/5 Holy Guidance 2/2 Blessed Hands
3) 5/5 DI with 3/3 blessed life and 2/2 Blessed Hands
4) 5/5 DI with 3/3 JoTW + 2/2 Blessed Hands
5) 4/5 DI with 3/3 Blessed Life 3/3 Lights Grace
Take your pick, but DI right now is better than Holy Guidance. The points floating is for those who play with different classes or different play style.
This spec is great with a BM hunter or a DK. The ability to pop a trinket with a HoJ or Repentance taking your pick is incredibly good
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  Lolnautik | Jan 9, 2009 - 5:10 PM (HideShow) |
| why take blessed life over lights grace... | |
 Whitevennie | Jan 9, 2009 - 6:42 PM (HideShow) |
| Thats because Paladins dont cast that many holy lights in arena ;) | |
  Fiznik | Jan 9, 2009 - 7:31 PM (HideShow) |
| Are you high whitevennie ? >,< | |
| Emodin | Jan 9, 2009 - 9:28 PM (HideShow) |
| i think the wink eluded to sarcasm but i may be wrong >_> | |
| Nethers | Jan 10, 2009 - 12:24 AM (HideShow) |
| it's basicly great 2v2 spec and you won't cast HL's there you can keep up with holy shock IoL and sacred shield. pro spec with some rogue/BM hunter/DK partners | |
 Altiare | Jan 10, 2009 - 12:26 AM (HideShow) |
| honestly thats on your playstyle, but i find blessed life a bigger help for me right now, 10% to reduce damage by 50% on me, it helps me survive better. .5 Seconds will not make a difference when casting Holy Light. If you want to do that, then by all means do, it depends on who you roll with. 1 out of every 10 attacks to do 50% less dmg with how crazy burst is, i much rather have that | |
  Tatuposhy | Jan 10, 2009 - 9:00 AM (HideShow) |
| How does Blessed Life interact with Eye for an Eye? Is the damage reflected after the mitigation? Why Vengeance instead of +3% parry? | |
| Tns | Jan 10, 2009 - 10:52 AM (HideShow) |
| Wouldnt be better to add 2 points at Blessed Hands since we r gona spam HoF in every CD instead of JotW since atm we dont have any problem with our mana. | |
 Stunning | Jan 10, 2009 - 1:41 PM (HideShow) |
| vengeance? | |
| Altiare | Jan 10, 2009 - 3:58 PM (HideShow) |
| why would u use blessed hands, i only use HoF to break the actual stun, besides that i dont have any problems with movement impairing effects. and Stunning, vengeance is better than anything else, as far as that u NEED vengeance to get repentance if you DIDNT notice. | |
| Altiare | Jan 10, 2009 - 3:59 PM (HideShow) |
| remember this is a 2's spec and not a 3's or 5's spec | |
| Altiare | Jan 10, 2009 - 4:00 PM (HideShow) |
| ur forgetting that judgement of the wise affects ALL group members, so say for instance u play with another mana class, 2.5% mana over 10 seconds for free is great | |
| Tns | Jan 11, 2009 - 11:00 AM (HideShow) |
| U need vengeance to get repetance? and tbh I dont think many holy pallies playing with another mana user. Well a rogue can stun u every 30secs so u r gonna pop HoF in every CD and u will have u use HoSacrifice in case yr partner getting zerged and u r bubbled. | |
 Chozadin | Jan 11, 2009 - 1:24 PM (HideShow) |
| i much prefer 40/0/31, i don't like judgement of the wise at all. i do get light's grace and i get 3/5 holy guidance for more SP. Pure of heart is too good against shaman's hex, 5 seconds instead of 10? oh yes. in the ret tree i get all of the talents that buff ret aura instead of vengeance, i can't see myself actually holding a 3 stack of it ever in arena. Running with ret aura on sounds bad but the damage you put out with it (either back from your partner or from you) is amazing. | |
| Chozadin | Jan 11, 2009 - 1:26 PM (HideShow) |
| great guide btw, i am just putting in my opinion on a variation :) | |
| Altiare | Jan 11, 2009 - 3:20 PM (HideShow) |
| right now, JoTW is better than holy guidance, if you prefer to get lights grace, thats your own opinion. This build is based around the ability to CC tremendously more than normal and using Holy Shock + Infusion of Light + FoL + Sacred Shield as your main Spells, i dont think people realize .5 seconds will NOT make a difference, 1 second WILL. Playing with a BM hunter, if the game hasnt ended in 2minutes like it normally does, JoTW can be EXTREMELY useful. and why the hell would you run with ret aura did you just have a brain fart? Concentration aura is much more of a necessity, reducing silence effects by 30%. So your gonna tell me as a holy paladin your gonna DPS in ret aura. Its worthless. As far as needing vengeance to get repentance, im sorry my eyes decieved me and it was conviction for vengeance. But where else are you going to put the points? theres nowhere else to put them so yeah, if you want, move 1 point into judgement. And about the pure of heart thing, your being way to specific, thats ONLY when ur fighting shamans. In general, i dont find pure of heart to useful. Im going to update the build soon, as maybe it will please more people to have the other things in holy, and see how it goes. Blessed life is a much better talent with how burst dmg is though, i love the fact that a 3k crit can become 1.5k | |
| Altiare | Jan 11, 2009 - 3:28 PM (HideShow) |
| if you guys want me to update the build and put the 3 points in lights grace than blessed life lemme know | |
| Tns | Jan 11, 2009 - 8:07 PM (HideShow) |
| well it maybe sound silly but u could put those points at deflection. And against rogues retri aura its kinda usefull since the hit rly fast and taking like 250 even more every time they hit is somthing and I doudbt that u will even cast HL with them chasing u just change to concetration if u r gonna cast FL and he is near u. | |
| Stunning | Jan 11, 2009 - 9:48 PM (HideShow) |
| @Altiare, no, you do not need vengeance to get repentance http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sxNbxhzhVzGZZVsrxrh0f0s Sorry if you or somebody else corrected the statement, I was just too lazy to read it all. | |
| Stunning | Jan 11, 2009 - 9:53 PM (HideShow) |
| And the tooltip on vengeance says it only increases damage done, so I'd think getting 2/2 imp judgements and 2/5 deflection would be a better choice of talent points instead of vengeance. However, if you really wanted to get more damage, 3/3 crusade looks better. Sorry if I'm just misunderstanding the tooltip. | |
| Altiare | Jan 11, 2009 - 10:19 PM (HideShow) |
| pleasse read my statements, i am thinking of just switching things around and making the spec different, i need people to get back to me though | |
| Paulrobinson | Jan 11, 2009 - 11:58 PM (HideShow) |
| I was waiting for someone to post this spec for 2's. I didnt wan't to do it myself as im not 80 yet and have no experience in WOtLK Arena. (previously played a 70 shaman and 70 druid) for those paladin's speccing 49/0/22 i would go the extra 9 points to get repentance. it makes your Hammer just as good as having points in prot for 30sec CD. Everyone needs to remember that there are alot of 'spare' points to throw around the retribution tree and there is not a single spec that is -=the=- 'spec' to go. | |
| Awzumy | Jan 12, 2009 - 12:59 PM (HideShow) |
| http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?paladin=051322502230002302100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Sry, for the bad english! I would go into the retri tree as I posted beacause when do pressure with Judgements u got another chance to geht instant flashs then u can in many situations use ur holy shock offensiv! | |
| Awzumy | Jan 12, 2009 - 1:06 PM (HideShow) |
| and totaly specced i would go like this http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?paladin=051322502230002302100000000413320503021300501320000000000000000000000000000000 | |
| Awzumy | Jan 12, 2009 - 3:50 PM (HideShow) |
| http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?paladin=052302512230002302100000000413320503021300501320000000000000000000000000000000&glyph=151209030204 i now play it like this and i rock loke shit 1 prob u got art of war and IoL triggers both ;/ but the zerg heal u got is insane! tomorow i go to it with a bm! i give a new comment then | |
| Averon | Jan 13, 2009 - 12:19 AM (HideShow) |
| I agree that this is probably the best holy pally pvp build currently. I would, however, take one point out of Improved Blessing of Might and put in in Improved Judgements. Just my opinion though. | |
| Firecat | Jan 13, 2009 - 2:25 PM (HideShow) |
| Altiare, it looks great. This concept of a build has the other guys saying, "why did that holy pally just repent me?" I have started with your talent build and it works just fine. I am curently playing around with 40/0/31, with 3/3 in Lights Grace and 3/3 with Blessed life, in the holy tree. In the Ret tree im going to try putting 2 in deflection and 1 extra in Improved Judgements. I find my rogue telling me to stay out of the fight and just pole dance so i wanted to see if adding to LG while keeping BL as they are both very important. Ill keep you updated on how it goes. As in the way it looks Altiare, I would not change anything atm. This sire is the best build i have seen yet. | |
| Viped | Jan 16, 2009 - 8:12 AM (HideShow) |
| Very nice spec, i would take out Vengeance as its going to do nothing for me and id have to put them into defelection though. Its a very nice spec though. Good work | |
| Chozadin | Jan 20, 2009 - 10:42 PM (HideShow) |
| whoooaaaa jump down my throat almighty one. i run with ret aura because it increases my rogues damage and concecration aura doesn't help me or him. when blank CS is more deadly than a full CS you shouldn't really worry about it, nor should you be caught in CS anyway. i think jotw is not useful because if you need mana just use seal of wisdom and melee swing for 700 mana each swing. maybe since i'm with a rogue it's different. oh and the subject of lights grace, i guess hunters aren't as squishy as rogues because against double dps that includes a mage i need to time my bubble and spam HL, .5 second would count in that situation. again it was just a suggestion, don't get all crazy, i'll discuss with you but if you attack again forget it. PZ | |
| Plattinum | Jan 21, 2009 - 10:11 PM (HideShow) |
| imo its still necessary to get lights grace in a 2v2 spec because some comps do that much burst that you need to do a holy light spam to keep your partner up, and when your doing this you can get under 1 sec holy lights with infusion of light which is more burst healing than an instant fol. | |
| Altiare | Jan 22, 2009 - 1:56 AM (HideShow) |
| once again, that is why i put a variations in there, if u want it, grab it. | |
 Squeeky | Jan 24, 2009 - 9:21 AM (HideShow) |
| umm i just want to say that if u play with a Unholy DK u dont need Pursuit of Justice, cus he has aura. | |
| Squeeky | Jan 25, 2009 - 4:57 AM (HideShow) |
| Why not take Art of War too!? i mean this is basicly shockadin isnt it!? | |
| Bubbleandhs | Jan 29, 2009 - 4:09 AM (HideShow) |
| Does Eye for an Eye still break repentance? | |
| Bubbleandhs | Jan 29, 2009 - 4:09 AM (HideShow) |
| Does Eye for an Eye still break repentance? | |
| Macdavis | Jan 31, 2009 - 10:47 PM (HideShow) |
| Umm i been swapping alot between Blessed life and light´s grace and finally found a "solution" to the problem and with different classes to get decent team going . The thing is that its about witch class you play with and even the "persons" play stile . if you for example play with a moonkin or deathnight even warlock or another high survivabillity class you wont rly get any use of it. if you for example play with a hunter, rogue, or mage they´ll get more burst dammage witch u´ll need to heal up and it will save u for alot, since its more fragile clases it will save u for alot since you have to spam heal your partner or youself straigt after ull get great use of it cuz thats when theres a big chance u get in. fact is - When i dont have Lights grace with a hunter for example its so often i get interrupted or such or that he dies 0,1-,05sec before holy light ends. | |
| Macdavis | Jan 31, 2009 - 10:49 PM (HideShow) |
| and yes im pretty sure repentance still get raped by eye | |
| Ironweed | Feb 2, 2009 - 11:25 PM (HideShow) |
| This is the best spec for survival hunter / holy pally 2v2 comp | |
| Pirate | Feb 3, 2009 - 2:58 AM (HideShow) |
| Seems like repentance is really wasted (with hunter) due to shared DR with wyvern sting and the pally disorient reduction talent. I've been running with a modded version of this but I think I might go back to 49/0/22. Thoughts? | |
| Frankdwârf | Feb 14, 2009 - 2:56 AM (HideShow) |
| Ive found that this spec works well running Holy Pally / Mut Rogue. It helps alot with kiting and setting up CC chains on healers. Ive tried it with a survival hunter but I dont enjoy it because of the shared DR with wyvern sting. | |
| Funyryawnzar | Feb 18, 2009 - 5:59 AM (HideShow) |
| I'm rollin 2s with a lock and didn't see many posts here recommending variations for my comp. After reading all these posts I came up with: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sxGbxhdhVzGZZyfMxrh0bMk . Dont need imp might, and the idea of having two chances at instant flash of lights is pretty awesome. Havent decided on blessed life vs lights grace yet...sometimes spam healing his pet can be a real pain. Does anyone miss Judgements of the pure with this spec? It seems like the one thing I'll miss the most. | |
| Burninpally | Feb 23, 2009 - 6:23 AM (HideShow) |
| Great spec, but one thing that I like to change when I got holy is taking 2 points outta JotW and putting them in Art of War. Its not really for the damage, but the fact that when you crit with judgment you get ANOTHER instant FoL. Considering you get like 13% crit chance from talents before anything from gear, I consider it a pretty good investment. You do lose the change for replenishment proc and the mana back, but when you get a AoW proc, HS crit, IoL proc, you will be doing upwards of 10k healing in 3 seconds without even casting. | |
| Melfis | Feb 25, 2009 - 1:24 AM (HideShow) |
| for 3.1 http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?paladin=452302502230000201300000005034205030001305310200000000000000000000000000000&glyph=000000000000&version=9614 | |
| Melfis | Feb 25, 2009 - 1:24 AM (HideShow) |
| for 3.1 http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?paladin=452302502230000201300000005034205030001305310200000000000000000000000000000&glyph=000000000000&version=9614 | |
| Melfis | Feb 25, 2009 - 1:24 AM (HideShow) |
| whoops, sry :D | |
 Khaozis | Mar 2, 2009 - 6:10 PM (HideShow) |
| What Seal, Aura and Blessing you use for yourself with this spec? | |
| Sozo | Mar 4, 2009 - 12:00 PM (HideShow) |
| Has anyone considered going deeper into ret to get Sheath of Light - and is this a viable arena spec? Something like this... http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/paladin/talents.html?tal=413220503011300200000000000000000000000000000000000052302512230002302132201300 | |
| Sozo | Mar 4, 2009 - 12:03 PM (HideShow) |
| I should have said that my hope with the spec is to actually maintain healing (to an extent) and having to worry less about CC with a HoT on my partner(s) and to help out with dps a little more | |
| Alduris | Mar 13, 2009 - 7:57 AM (HideShow) |
| Since Holy pallies are getting hit with the nerf bat pretty hard in 3.1, how is this spec going to work out with all the changes to the trees? | |
  Sixdollar | Mar 17, 2009 - 10:21 PM (HideShow) |
| It wont. We will need a new spec | |
| Hamerquake | Mar 27, 2009 - 9:37 AM (HideShow) |
| well i rather to move two points from divine int. to pure of heart and 3points from blessed life to light grace.. in this talents your best m8 is the hunter.. bu he must have a good dps to end 1 of them quickly and slauter the second as eay as you can. this talents rules in 2v2.. | |
| Hamerquake | Mar 27, 2009 - 9:38 AM (HideShow) |
| don't forget the last patch your consentration aura will be imba.. | |
| Pollywog | May 6, 2009 - 4:17 AM (HideShow) |
| On my talent spec it requires 45 points in holy to be able to obtain infusion of light. So my question is wat do i do with the other 2 talent points i have my 2s partner atm is a feral druid | |
| Darthmon | May 12, 2009 - 12:15 AM (HideShow) |
| I've been running 2s with a Muti Rogue as this Spec. It's PERFECT for those long LOLOLMANABURNLOLOL PSYCHIC SCREAM U, fights. Even after the nerf, Art of War makes up for Infusion of Light being moved down farther. Only complaint I have is that you don't HL that much, because you can basically keep people up with the 5S HS glyph, and FoL's. That really doesn't sound like a complaint to you maybe, but HL's are sometimes key when that Retardin is on your Rogue, and you're feared and you've already force trinketed. Other than that, this spec is perfect for 2s only IMO. 2s and BG's. | |
| Caldon | May 21, 2009 - 1:57 PM (HideShow) |
| OLD SPEC. WON'T WORK IN POST 3.1 WORLD BECAUSE OF CHANGES TO TALENT TREES. USE FOR IDEAS, BUT YOU WILL HAVE TO COME UP WITH YOUR OWN SPEC | |
| Problems | Jun 1, 2009 - 12:41 AM (HideShow) |
| What type of gear would you use with spec, mainly Holy or Retribution? | |
| Bloodsheik | Oct 22, 2009 - 1:55 AM (HideShow) |
| see i dont get this wpuld i use sword and a wepon or a 2h wepon if i went this and would i be attacking and heal? plz pm me or message | |
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