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Retribution Paladin Guide (7.1)

This guide is written mainly for players new to playing retribution in arena and PvP.

What changed about Rets in 7.1?

1.) Relentless has been nerfed from 25% to 20%.

 

2.) Holy Wrath has been nerfed from 50% to 35% of your lost health dealt as damage in PvP.

 

3.) Blade of Wrath has been reworked, it now has a chance to proc a Blade of Justice CD reset on auto attacks. 

*FAQ* Blade of Wrath is still the superior talent for almost all PvP situations. Reasons are almost identical to the old Blade of Wrath.

 

4.) Vengeance Aura only affects targets who has Blessings.

Talents


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In the talent picture I selected talents that I use as default in arena. Talents should be changed every arena match depending on what composition you're playing, what you're up against, and what strategy you and your opponent might execute. Read below for a more detailed explanation on talent choices.

Level 15:
Highly Recommended: Final Verdict

This increases your Final Verdict damage by 20%. Currently the other 2 talents just don't beat out the damage you can gain from Final Verdict in a PvP scenario.

Level 30
Recommended: Zeal

Crusader strike is rarely used on CD in PvP, this makes Fires of Justice a bit more lackluster.

Rarely do Rets run out of globals for things to do in PvP, making the longer CD on Zeal not much of a problem allowing it to buff our Crusader Strike damage significantly without a big cost. Due to this, Zeal will almost always do more damage than the other talents on this tier other than extremely specific situations.

Greater Judgment is useful in fast games but keep in mind Crits have reduced effect in PvP. Over a long-game unless the other team was above 50% HP the entire game and you were getting kited a lot Zeal will be superior.

 

Level 45
Recommended: Fist of Justice

Logic here for Fist is very similar to WoD, the other 2 talents are mostly used if you want to strategize around them. Repentance is somewhat improved in the fact that it doesn't use the CD if you cast it on a Beast, but you'll require a lot of effort to land it especially on Druids. Blind is essentially the same as before, not very useful unless you want to rush a game.

Level 60
Recommended: Blade of Wrath

Blade of Wrath provides the best consistent damage and also good holy power generation. Crits are also 150% in PvP, making Virtue's Blade much worse than it would be in PvE.

Level 75
Recommended: Any

Justicar's Vengeance has a lot of synergy with Divine Purpose. Basically, you use it with the proc or when the target is stunned. This talent is excellent especially in 2v2, when you hit healers a lot during stuns.

Eye for an Eye should be picked against any kind of physical damage team that will focus you.

Word of Glory is a good choice against DOT cleaves that has a low physical damage component to it.

Level 90
Recommended: Divine Intervention and Any

Divine Intervention helps our survivablity a ton in longer games. Not having to press Bubble when we get low is like a large indirect increase to our health-pool pre-bubble. This is generally my default talent.

However, our Mobility in this pre-patch is horrible, and having at least one talent to help it is nice. If you plan to for example, chase a Mistweaver Monk in 2v2 you should use the mobility talents instead. Divine Steed should be used for chasing cooldown based mobility targets such as Holy Paladins. Seal of Light is better for targets with consistently strong mobility such as Mages and Mistweaver Monks.

Level 100
Recommended: Divine Purpose

Holy Wrath now does 35% of your missing HP as damage. This is still decent burst, but with the long CD mixed in Divine Purpose will almost always be superior outside of 2v2 Skirmishes or Duels. Crusade requires a ramp up time and is generally not as useful in PvP compared to how strong it is in PvE.

Glyphs
Removed

Artifact Traits

1. Wake of Ashes
2. Blade of Light
3. Righteous Blade x3
4. Unbreakable Will
5. Protector of the Ashen Blade
6. Ashes to Ashes
7. Deliver the Justice x3
8. Sharpened Edge x3
9. Deflection x3
10. Echo of the Highlord
11. Wrath of the Ashbringer x3
12. Highlord's Judgment x3
13. Embrace the Light x3
14. Divine Tempest
15. Healing Storm
16. Might of the Templar x3
17. Endless Resolve
 
From 14->17 the last points depend greatly on what you mostly do. If you do a lot of battlegrounds and some mythics get Divine Tempest and Healing Storm first. If you play AoE oriented comps such as Ret Spriest Healer it's the same thing.
However, if you only PvP playing comps such as Ret / Hunter / Healer get Might of the Templar and Endless Resolve first since you rarely get to Divine Storm.
 

PvP Talents
 

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Similar to the earlier talent picture this shows talents I would default to in arena, but PvP is a situational game and talents are constantly switched. Read below for a more detailed explanation on PvP talents.

 

Tier 1
Largely preference based, Gladiator's Medallion gives you the most control of when you want to be out of a CC. 

Adaption is nice for teams that has 5second+ CCs that your healer cannot dispel or if they're doing a good job of Cross CCing, adaption also has nice synergy with our artifact trinket. An example of a comp Adaption would be good against is Turbo Cleave Holy Pally.

Relentless is best for teams that constantly CC you over and over, I tend to use it against Mages.

Tier 2
Reinforced Armor by default, Sparring when you fight physical melee teams.

Tier 3
Law and Order provides us with a much needed extra slow, this is the default talent in 1v1 or for open world fighting. Jurisdiction should be used when you are playing with a teammate that already provides a slow or when you don't plan to kill the healer. It's very difficult to use a 10yd range spell on healers you are not killing for CC.

Tier 4
Luminescence is an amazing talent, 20 yards is a huge radius for heals to be "cleaved". Pure of Heart should be used vs Assassination Rogues.

Tier 5
Blessing of Sanctuary is what makes Rets unique in arena in my opinion. Being able to get your partners out of CCs this often is definitely one of our strengths. When you do battlegrounds or just feel like you want to do more damage Vengeance Aura is preferred over Seraphim's Blessing.

Tier 6
Lawbringer is the highest DPS as long as you need to swap targets at all.
Divine Punisher is decent if you plan to never swap targets, this kind of situation is rare.
Hammer of Reckoning is used when you're playing a pure "set-up" team. a team that doesn't need to do damage outside of when you CC the healers. That way even though you do less consistent damage that burst of Hammer of Reckoning could win you the game.

Viable Ret Comps

Legion allows much more diversity in general, you can be successful with many different comps. These are the best comps I have played this patch:
 
Ret | Shadow Priest | Healer
Ret | Hunter | Healer
Ret | Warrior | Healer
Ret | Dk | Healer
 

What rotation do you use in PvP?
There is no "specific" rotation in PvP.

This is a basic priority for doing maximum damage:
1. Virtue's Blade or Blade of Wrath to generate Holy Power
2. Crusader Strike / Zeal to generate Holy Power
3. Judgment (provides debuff that gives your holy power spenders with more damage)
4. Execution Sentence if talented
5. Templar's Verdict to spend holy power.

 

If you're speccing Justicar's Vengeance keep in mind that JV does less damage in PvP than it would usually do. This is due to the spell templates in PvP, JV is nerfed in arenas and such meaning it does less than TV if the target is not stunned.

 

You use JV when:
Target is Stunned
You have a Proc and you're missing a bit of HP
You really need the heal and you can't cast

You use TV when: (more damage than JV unless target is stunned)
Target is not stunned
You have a proc and you're not missing HP

 

What macros does Ret have for PvP?
Macros are largely preference. I use a lot of focus and party target macros. The goal is to be able to use your spells without changing your target.
Add #showtooltip to the start of these macros if you want to see it.
Some other general macros:
1.) Focus HOJ
/cast [target=focus] Hammer of Justice

2.) Focus Repent
/cast [target=focus] Repentance

3.) Focus Rebuke
/cast [target=focus] Rebuke

4.) Focus Judgment
/cast [target=focus] Judgment

The Support Macros I Personally Use:
(switch x with number or partyx with Toon Name)

5.) Blessing of Protection
/cast [target=partyX] Blessing of Protection

6.) Blessing of Freedom
/cast [target=partyX] Blessing of Freedom

7.) Word of Glory
/cast [target=partyX] Word of Glory

8.) Flash of Light
/cast [target=partyX] Flash of Light

 

9.) Blessing of Sanctuary

/cast [target=partyX] Blessing of Sanctuary

General Arena Tips
Ret is a hybrid melee, with a large role to supporting your teammates. We have good burst damage during wings, but outside of that we're a bit gimped. We have some off heals and good support, but we're also incredibly easy to CC as a melee class.
As a ret pally, you always have to remember you ARE NOT a warrior. You need to watch your partners the entire game. Do not waste your off heals, and blessings. In an arena match my eyes are on my party screen the most.

Blessings are stackable now, you can use Freedom and Protection on the same target without it overwriting each other.

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#1 Jecks

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 06:22 PM

Good guide. Ret is a very gear dependent spec IMO, the "how much gear do I need to arena" should be removed. Instead, I would talk about best options for a Pvp dps trinket for those who are and are not raiders.

So glad someone made a ret guide instead of another holy one.
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#2 krymme

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 09:41 PM

+rep
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#3 Vanguards

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 11:14 PM

thanks! I've changed the trinket / gearing area slightly just now as from Jecks recommendation
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#4 Jecks

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 11:55 PM

heres a macro that saves like 200-250 ms on your first hammer

#showtooltip
/cast Avenging Wrath
/cast hammer of wrath


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#5 innrey

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 11:57 PM

Crit build. I have hast build
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#6 Rashnu

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 03:21 AM

The Naaru Council has informed that your guide only supports one path to glory. For there are many paths. I have found a potential path to greater wisdom for that shit is gold.
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#7 Kadryelx

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 07:34 AM

My Turn Evil macro:

/cast [@arenapet1,harm][@arenapet2,harm][@arenapet3,harm][@arenapet4,harm][@arenapet5,harm][@mouseover,harm][]Turn Evil

simply press the macro and it will automatically fear any pets that's fearable, and if u want to fear a DK with Lichborne or a gargoyle just mouseover
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#8 Getzy

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 07:48 AM

I don't think you should advise that we should forge into pure Mastery come patch 4.0.6 until more testing is done.

The new Mastery is still being worked on within the PTR and nothing is final. As of today's new build Redcape's current numbers still show Mastery as our worst stat, just barely coming behind Crit/Haste (which is better than before).

I believe that we should still try and balance out our secondary stats--which are of course, Crit/Mastery for PvP--if these changes go live then we wont change a thing on how we reforge.

Good guide overall, though.
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#9 Kadryelx

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 07:56 AM

lets say u crit a mage for 20k with Templar's Verdict with 8 Mastery, dont you think 36.8% dmg increase on it is bad? I mean it's AWESOME for burst, idk about substained dmg for pve tho but who cares about pve? I'm also pretty sure Inquisition makes it scale even better (and it's undispellable in 4.0.6)

8 mastery on a 20k TV = 27360... that's with base mastery and 20k on a mage isnt rare.

the burst it will be able to put out with undispellable Inquisition and undispellable Zealotry is going to be rediculous with a huge amount of mastery
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#10 Getzy

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 08:09 AM

I don't know where you got the idea that burst is more damage in an arena game than net DPS. Is it a comp issue? Can you not stick on your target? Whatever it is, the illusion of bigger numbers transferring into "better" is false in an Arena environment and PvE enviroment.

Log into the PTR for yourself and test it out; it may just be another preference issue. However, I've reforged into all Mastery and have balanced out both secondary stats (Crit/Mastery) and balancing out my stats has shown to be of greater value.
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Posted 20 January 2011 - 01:16 PM

My Turn Evil macro:

/cast [@arenapet1,harm][@arenapet2,harm][@arenapet3,harm][@arenapet4,harm][@arenapet5,harm][@mouseover,harm][]Turn Evil

simply press the macro and it will automatically fear any pets that's fearable, and if u want to fear a DK with Lichborne or a gargoyle just mouseover


Mouseover should be placed first, else it will go through all arenapetN unitID's. If you want to fear a DK, simply put arenaN into the macro aswell. (for arenas)

So for this macro, it will be DK's with Lichborne --> Fearable pets --> Mouseover --> Target priority.

/use [@arena1,harm][@arena2,harm][@arena3,harm][@arena4,harm][@arena5,harm][@arenapet1,harm][@arenapet2,harm][@arenapet3,harm][@arenapet4,harm][@arenapet5,harm][@mouseover,harm][]Turn Evil

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#12 Elalith

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 01:43 PM

+ rep
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#13 Guest_Alphatier_*

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 07:15 PM

very nice guide, thanks man :)
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#14 Camatcs

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 09:52 PM

Most of the melee cleaves that involved ret still work just fine, and post patch some old ret comps come back to life!

And nice guide too, enjoyed the read =)
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#15 Kadryelx

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 10:36 PM

im prolly gonna run ret hunter druid next patch ^_^
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#16 Vanguards

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 11:11 PM

thx every1!

@kadryel and navariumlol

that's a pretty advanced turnevil macro, i'll definitely give it a try myself too
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#17 Vanguards

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 12:40 AM

queing ret lock sham on stream for neone interested

edit: done for today
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#18 Damius

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 08:17 AM

Just searched for your name to check out gearing for my pala alt - and this brand new guide came up! Thx a lot, helped out :)
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#19 Jimos

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 11:06 AM

My turn evil macro is pretty insane too:

/cast Turn evil

What you do is press tab, press the macro and press tab once more and you win at life.
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#20 Kadryelx

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 11:23 AM

My turn evil macro is pretty insane too:

/cast Turn evil

What you do is press tab, press the macro and press tab once more and you win at life.


and then u lose some seconds on ur auto attack, the macro is 10 times better than tabbing

thats like saying u use no macro for anything, u tab target to hoj and repentance
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