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DK frost/unholy guide (5.4.7)

PvP Talents

Unholy :
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Frost :
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Those are talents that I use as default in arena. Talents and Glyphs should be changed every arena match depending on what composition you're playing, what you're up against, and what strategy you and your opponent might execute.

Level 15:
Rolling blood for unholy Plague leech / Unholy blight for frost

Unholy : Rolling blood for unholy for more aoe dmg .

Frost : Plague leech if you play with aspxyxiate or death advance, Unholy blight if you play with chillblains

Level 30
Lichborne for both specs is only viable option as it provides fear break ,polymorph/sleep immunity as well as good self heals because you can use deathcoils to heal yourself while lichborne is active

purgeatory tend to bug in pvp like guardian spirit did in 5.0-5.4 so this is not viable option and anti-magic zone is reduced to 3 seconds duration for 40% spell reduction so lichborne is always better

Level 45
Aspxyxiate is recommended for most cases for both specs. If you play with rogue or warrior or any comp in which you got plenty of short cd stuns provided by your teammates you can go for chillblains or death advance

Level 60

Unholy :
Conversion - Usable while silenced conversion provides 3-6% heal per second (its possible to spam conversion without calceling conversion aura doubling the effect for double the cost check macros below ) and its far superior to death pact and death siphon..Dk 4 piece bonus also interacts here giving you 3 runic power every second for 5 seconds while you are slowed which is usually all the time making conversion costing 2rp per sec!
However against comps that have low sustained dmg but high burst I recomend Death pact over conversion

Frost :

Death pact - conversion is not an option if you play frost because runic power has much greater value then it does for unholy dk. Spamming your conversion while you are trained will totally shut down your offense resulting in much less dmg output.

Level 75
Blood tap - why blood tap, answer is simple no rng. Other 2 talents are rng and sometimes you can do 5-6 deathcoils or frost strikes and they wont proc

Level 90
Desecrated ground - Extra pvp trinket and best option in this tier

Gorefiend has usage in 5v5 and rbgs but for 2v2 and 3v3 its just not good enough as you can already grip 2 targets in ring of frost without using it.

Remorseless winter is a pve ability and it has no use in arena games but
you can sometimes pick chillblains + remorseless winter as 5.4 strangulate is no longer on global cooldown so using strangulate+remorseless at same time on a shaman , priest or paladin healer will guarantee that rw stun will go off as they cant dispell/freedom stacks while they are silenced. Yet again if those healers are paired with enhancemet shaman , hunter , ww monk , or ret they can freedom their healers every time you silence+rw them making your RW useless.

Glyphs

Prime Glyphs:

Frost :

Shifting presences - mandatory
Dark simulacrum - mandatory unless you meet mw/war/hunter for example
Icy touch - Frost dks can purge alot this glyph is mandatory
Regenerative magic - i swap it sometimes with ds glyph against kfc

Unholy :

Dark simulacrum - mandatory unless you meet mw/war/hunter for example
Shifting presences - optional
Icy touch - optional , unholy dks can not purge much but sometimes you can get that bop off in 1-2 purges
Pestilence - Paired with chillblains its easier to slow opponets down and its easier to keep your dots up on multiple targets
Enduring infection - against double disease dispel teams such as priest/monk/x

Minor glyph :

-Glyph of death embrace - refunds 20 runic if you succesfully heal your pet

Gems / Enchants / Stats
General Priorities for Stats :

Unholy :
3% Hit>3% Expertise>Crit>mastery>haste

Most of dks go for pure crit gemming and reforging. Why is this so? In 5.4 they changed Unholy Presence to grant a flat 20% Haste to all things, up from Haste for melee (attack speed and Rune regeneration) only.Gemming haste or reforging it is total overkill if you dance your presences

If you plan to sit in blood presence and never go out of it anytime haste reforging and full str gems work just fine

Frost :
3%hit/3% expertise > Haste > mastery > crit

Frost dks gem haste because with full 550 gear you can make your rune regen under 8 seconds. Why is this so important?
This means that you can actually sit in blood presence while trained and still do descent dmg output on single target.


Recommended Gems:

Unholy :
Meta - 216 Strength / +3% Crit Damage or Tyrannical Meta Gem (Have both Helms ready, Strength meta still does more damage / burst while Tyrannical Meta Gem is better for surviving)
Red -  80 str / 160 crit
Yellow -  320 crit
Blue - 160 crit /  80 PvP Power

Frost :
Meta - 216 Strength / +3% Crit Damage or Tyrannical Meta Gem (Have both Helms ready, Strength meta still does more damage / burst while Tyrannical Meta Gem is better for surviving)
Red -  80str / 160 haste
Yellow -  320 haste
Blue - 160 haste/80 pvp power


Viable DK Comps
Dks are in pretty bad shape in mop but you can still reach high ratings.
I recomed dk/ele/druid , tsg or phd for unholy and dk/rogue/healer for frost.

Professions
Doesn't really matter. Use any professions that give strength or attack power gains. Blacksmithing is really good since it can give you crit/haste if you choose to do so. Jewelcrafting also can give you crit/haste, these professions give you choices on what you want to do.

What rotation do you use in PvP?
There is no "specific" rotation in PvP.

Playing unholy dk you want to get some attack power procs first such as Unholy strenght, pvp proc trinket or on use trinket or all 3 at same time then spread powerfull diseases on as much targets possible and pop your gargoyle.
If you want to do a hard swap you should have dotted that target first have saved atleast 10 blood charges and 3-4 death runes then aspxyxiate enemy healer and do 5-6 necrotics +gnaw on target
If your partner is free to dps at this point and your team has follow-up cc  you are already forcing major defensives or pvp trinket

Frost is easy to understand if you are in blood presence keep 2 dots up on a target fish a km proc then obliterate. If you are free to be in frost presence don't fish anything just put 2 dots on do rotation with this prio:


KM proc obliterate > necrotic strike > frost strike > obliterate

Addons:

I recomend getting magic runes but you can use this script if you dislike addons

/script RuneFrame:SetScale(2.0)
/run RuneFrame:SetPoint("top", 0, -325)

change values to move it where you want

-gladius or s arena or move anything to move your arena frames



What macros does Dks have for PvP?

This is list of all my macros :

1) focus simulacrum macro

#showtooltip
/cast [target=focus] Dark Simulacrum

2) arena frames simulacrum macros :

#showtooltip
/cast [@arena1] dark simulacrum

#showtooltip
/cast [@arena2] dark simulacrum

#showtooltip
/cast [@arena3] dark simulacrum

3) frost strike + blood tap macro :

#showtooltip
/cast frost strike
/cast blood tap

4) horn + da macro also removes annoying red error text

/cast death's advance
/cast horn of winter
/script UIErrorsFrame:Hide()

5) Death pact macro

#showtooltip
/cast [nopet] raise dead
/cast !death pact


6) arena frames grip macros

#showtooltip
/cast [@arena1] death grip

#showtooltip
/cast [@arena2] death grip

#showtooltip
/cast [@arena3] death grip

7) HB macro

#showtooltip
/startattack
/cast howling blast

8) pop/cancel lichborne macro

#showtooltip
/cancelaura Lichborne
/cast Lichborne

9) Deahcoil selfheal macro + hs

#showtooltip lichborne
/use Grievous Gladiator's Badge of Victory
/cast !lichborne;
/cast [target=player] Death Coil
/use fel healthstone

10) Mindfreeze macro for focus and target

/cast [modifier:shift, target=focus] Mind Freeze
/cast [nomodifier] Mind Freeze

11)necrotic + blood tap

#showtooltip
/cast necrotic strike
/cast blood tap

12) remorseless macro
/cast strangulate
/cast remorseless winter

13) frenzy+pvp trinket

#showtooltip unholy frenzy
/use Grievous Gladiator's Badge of Victory
/cast unholy frenzy

14) arena frames macros for coi

#showtooltip
/cast [@arena1] chains of ice

#showtooltip
/cast [@arena2] chains of ice

#showtooltip
/cast [@arena3] chains of ice

15) cancelauras

/cancelaura hand of protection
/cancelaura hand of freedom
/cancelaura divine shield
/cancelaura ice block
/cancelaura conversion

16) pet macro

/petautocastoff claw
/petfollow
/petmoveto

17) stancedance macros

#showtooltip
/cast frost presence
/cast Blood presence

#showtooltip
/cast unholy presence
/cast blood presence

18) swifty macro


#showtooltip summon gargoyle
/use 10
/use blood fury
/use berserking
/cast Unholy Frenzy
/cast summon gargoyle
/use Grievous Gladiator's Badge of Victory
/petfollow
/petattack


19) leapgnaw macro

#showtooltip
/cast leap
/cast gnaw

20) conversion macro

#showtooltip
/cast !conversion

21) focus it macro

#showtooltip
/cast [target=focus] icy touch

22) focus grip macro

#showtooltip
/cast [target=focus] death grip

23) mouseover petattack macro

/cast [target=mouseover, exists] [harm] icy touch
/petattack mouseover

24) leapgnaw focus:

#showtooltip
/cast [@focus] leap
/cast [@focus] gnaw

25) arena purge macros

#showtooltip
/cast [@arena1] icy touch

#showtooltip
/cast [@arena2] icy touch

#showtooltip
/cast [@arena3] icy touch


26) pet macro

/petfollow
/petattack
/petautocaston claw

27) pet heal macro

#showtooltip
/cast [target=pet] death coil

28) leap gnaw for arena 123

#showtooltip
/cast [@arena1] leap
/cast [@arena1] gnaw

#showtooltip
/cast [@arena2] leap
/cast [@arena2] gnaw

#showtooltip
/cast [@arena3] leap
/cast [@arena3] gnaw

29) Swifty for frost

/cast pillar of frost
/use 10
/use blood fury
/use berserking
/use Grievous Gladiator's Badge of Victory

30) focus strangulate macro

#showtooltip strangulate
/cast blood tap
/cast [target=focus] strangulate

31) arena strangulate/aspxyxiate macros

#showtooltip strangulate
/cast blood tap
/cast [@arena1] strangulate


#showtooltip strangulate
/cast blood tap
/cast [@arena2] strangulate

#showtooltip strangulate
/cast blood tap
/cast [@arena3] strangulate


32) soul reaper/ scourge macro
#showtooltip
/cast [mod:shift] soul reaper
/cast scourge strike

33) raise dead + transform macro
/cast [nopet] raise dead
/cast !dark transformation

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#1 Forumz

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 11:02 AM

You just wait for the first KM proc and then you go ham on your target with asphyx / pillar / trinket / ERW

Don't forget Necrotic Strikes. They're still strong as Frost especially during your CDs. Sometimes I pop PoF just to get stronger Necrotics out.

Try to sit FP as much as you can.

I run undispellable diseases glyph, because having them dispelled is just the worst, especially when you're in Blood.

Almost never use HB, just IT instead for the purge.

Blood Tap is your only option as Frost. You need burst, and Blood Tap gives you that burst. RC and RE only increase your sustained damage, in an RNG way on top of that. I played Crit>Mastery in my games and my damage felt just fine. You can play full haste if you want though.

#2 thumpiex

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 07:35 PM

View PostDizzeeyo, on 23 February 2014 - 10:50 PM, said:

arangast is also a pilot, in case you were interested :D
soo much hate on arangast? maybe online dating isnt for you?

#3 seadogsnrebz

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 08:02 PM

Couple things

1) I'd like to hear the reasoning behind your t1 frost talent choices.  Also I find PL great for much unholy Necro stacking as in single target comps like phd

2) comps - dk could be played to glad in s14 with the following: lock mage warr ele enh hunter.  Boomkin (eu). Possibly rogue in s15. Other comps that worked in the past is with feral (ebola) spriest (unholyplay - I wargamed this with glads this week on live and it felt competitive) and ret (vanguards) and double healer (boring cleave) abd even saw double dk at almost 2300 this season

I think I just listed every spec in the game

#4 sarma

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 09:01 PM

View Postseadogsnrebz, on 24 February 2014 - 08:02 PM, said:

Couple things

1) I'd like to hear the reasoning behind your t1 frost talent choices.  Also I find PL great for much unholy Necro stacking as in single target comps like phd


Plague leech because of :

1)
Because of stolen cc such as polymorph , repentance etc

2) Usually you will have frost fever on multiple targets but both diseases only on target you are hitting.
When you decide that you want to swap target , before swap you can take both dots off current target and get 2 free death runes when you swap.

Unholy blight + chillblains because it re-apply slow every second to all targets

#5 Slaggy

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 12:03 AM

So do we think that frost tsg will be a viable thing this season? viable as in 2200 capable to the masses. I'd love to play frost knowing I can take it somewhere but im not the guy to bash my head into a brick wall just becasue it's fun.

enduring infection glyph manditory? spam icy touch for purge and only howling during proc fog proc? the rest is self explanitory, if KM procs, hit something really fucking hard, if not fill your time with frost strikes, diseases, and (ready for this?) dk utility.

also, DesG vs remorseless? Is conversion even viable?

ty in advance

#6 Forumz

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 10:20 AM

View PostSlaggy, on 25 February 2014 - 12:03 AM, said:

So do we think that frost tsg will be a viable thing this season? viable as in 2200 capable to the masses. I'd love to play frost knowing I can take it somewhere but im not the guy to bash my head into a brick wall just becasue it's fun.

enduring infection glyph manditory? spam icy touch for purge and only howling during proc fog proc? the rest is self explanitory, if KM procs, hit something really fucking hard, if not fill your time with frost strikes, diseases, and (ready for this?) dk utility.

also, DesG vs remorseless? Is conversion even viable?

ty in advance

Anything can get 2.2. I think Frost can go higher than that if you're really good at it.

I personally think EI glyph is mandatory as Frost, but it might very well be a preference to others. Try to not use Icy Touch when you don't have a Rime proc. Easiest thing to do is to hold your Rime proc until you need it, rather than using it right away. Try to spend Rime procs before Obliterating so you don't potentially overlap.

In terms of priority, this is what I tend to go with when not bursting:

>Diseases
>KM Obliterate (if you can make the damage worth it, IE you have CC ready for the healer, or your teammate has small burst ready as well)
>Rime Procs
>Frost Strike

During burst, you just Obliterate and NS and forsake everything else.

RW is only worth it vs teams that don't have a lot of CC (IE kittycleave)

You can't use conversion as Frost. You are too dependant on your RP to have any use for it defensively.

#7 Firesprocket

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 10:37 AM

Serious question! Is Double Blood DK viable in 2s? Those 2 blood DKs on the ladder didn't actually run the comp right? Also if it was "Viable", then do you think the new 10 minute Dampening in 2s will greatly affect the viability of this comp? Cheers!

#8 Forumz

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 10:39 AM

They ran that to 2.5 when Crowd Choose You was still active. After CCY was removed, double Blood stopped being viable and they didn't queue a single game.

#9 Firesprocket

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 10:52 AM

Double blood still destroys every double dps team. So I could scumbag vs all of them.

#10 Docmedlc

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 08:05 PM

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Red -  80str / 160 haste
Yellow -  320 haste
Blue - 160 haste/80 pvp power

Does this still remain true? or should I focus on another path when gearing my Frost DK?

#11 Forumz

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 08:42 PM

You still want haste as Frost, yes.

#12 Docmedlc

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 09:23 PM

View PostForumz, on 13 April 2014 - 08:42 PM, said:

You still want haste as Frost, yes.

I notice you go pure Haste in all sockets, ignoring all gem bonus, do you believe thats a better route or gem haste + whatever to achive gem bonus?

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 09:40 PM

I don't actually run that set, it was more of a test. You'll notice the reforgings are extremely weird.

I'd go for the str/haste in reds and haste/pvpp in blue, yes. The socket bonuses are worth it, except for legs. Ignore the +120 pvpp bonus and just get +320 haste both sockets. You still want the +120 pvpp in chest because you only give up 160 haste, rather than 320.

#14 Docmedlc

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 10:08 PM

View PostForumz, on 13 April 2014 - 09:40 PM, said:

I don't actually run that set, it was more of a test. You'll notice the reforgings are extremely weird.

I'd go for the str/haste in reds and haste/pvpp in blue, yes. The socket bonuses are worth it, except for legs. Ignore the +120 pvpp bonus and just get +320 haste both sockets. You still want the +120 pvpp in chest because you only give up 160 haste, rather than 320.

Thanks for the advice, keep at it! It feels like years since I've Arena/rbg with my Dk... oh wait it has lol.

#15 Slaggy

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 10:44 PM

Best tip any Frost DK can recieve is dont just spam your obliterates all willy nilly like. Time it for when damage is gonig to actually stick. i.e. CC on peelers/healers and dont waste o-crit-erates (lawls) on the hunter with Sac up, or the war with wall, ect ect. Control your abilities, play slow, hit hard when you can hit hard.

#16 SussedThrall

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 04:18 PM

Nice DK guide. Congratulations. Sometimes when there are more melee dps than rdps i play with remorseless winter talent. Otherwise i play with Desecrated talent. I don't know about the Gorefiend's grasp talent. Which scenario is it better to play with that talent?

#17 SussedThrall

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 04:22 PM

View PostForumz, on 23 February 2014 - 10:08 PM, said:

Let me put it another way.

Is there a scenario where having Blood Tap on a seperate keybind a bad thing?

Answer: No. You can press it in between globals and you'll always be able to use it when you want to.

Is there a scenario where having Blood Tap macro'd into another ability is a bad thing?

Answer: Yes. There are times when you don't want extra runes, but you've macro'd it so you don't have a choice.

Therefor, I think it's always better to have a seperate keybind.

Thanks for your tip. I didn't know about this. I will try play with BT in seprate keybind. But I'll need to train this a lot.

#18 Pericth

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 04:34 PM

Nice guide. I didn't know you need a manual for two buttons.
Nah, I'm just teasing. Every class has its complexity. Although I do find DKs fairly easy to play.

#19 SussedThrall

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 04:25 PM

Today i gave up frost spec. I died too easy for MM hunter. I changed to unholy and now i have to train a lot at arena's and bgs.

#20 BOLVARF2008

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 07:30 PM

3% Hit>3% Expertise>Crit>mastery>haste

Most of dks go for pure crit gemming and reforging. Why is this so? In 5.4 they changed Unholy Presence to grant a flat 20% Haste to all things, up from Haste for melee (attack speed and Rune regeneration) only.Gemming haste or reforging it is total overkill if you dance your presences

If you plan to sit in blood presence and never go out of it anytime haste reforging and full str gems work just fine.



Im confused so if i reforge haste and gem every gem strength i can sit in blood presence in pvp like rated bg's duels and arenas etc?

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