 |
Strategies
Shaman/Warlock (Warlock POV)
Author
  | Bluetorch Darksorrow EU-Rampage |
Top Teams View All
| Rank | Team | Makeup | Rating | Record | Battlegroup | Realm | ||||||||||||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1. | We Will Reach The Sky   |  | 2734 | 256 - 64 | EU-Cyclone | Stormscale | ||||||||||||||||||||
| ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 2. | Chocho Hogwarts Express | | 2674 | 250 - 77 | EU-Blackout | Al'Akir | ||||||||||||||||||||
| ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 3. | MISS YOU MALICE | | 2647 | 298 - 135 | EU-Cyclone | Stormscale | ||||||||||||||||||||
| ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 4. | Internet | | 2627 | 154 - 83 | US-Nightfall | Arygos | ||||||||||||||||||||
| ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 5. | Убейте топора | | 2613 | 144 - 37 | EU-Шквал | Свежеватель Душ | ||||||||||||||||||||
| ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Top Builds View All
|
|
General Information
Updated 3/1/09: Added Matchups for: Priest/Rogue, Rogue/Shaman, Frost Mage/Rogue, Arcane Mage/Rogue
Getting started
Gear: I personally started using 5/5 Brutal Gladiator Armor with Frostsavage Bracers, Belt and Boots.
You really want to get as high as possible Resilience and Stamina right away.
Why not Full frostsavage gear?
Brutal gladiator armor has more stamina, Set effect bonus (2x +35 resilience) and more armor since the bonus armor. But if you don't have any Old gladiator gear get full Frost savage gear.
PvP Armor Comparison: (Ungemmed)
Brutal Gladiator Dreadweave:
Frostsavage (Helmet, Shoulders, Chest, Legs & Gloves)
Hatefull Gladiator:
Deadly Gladiator:
Hint: Running weekly Archavon runs will speed your gearing up and save you some arena points if your lucky!
Enchants:Gloves and Braces: +Spell power
Cloak: +Armor or +Haste
Chest: +Health
Boots: +Stamina or +Minor speed / Stamina
Gems:
Socket as the slots fit in start, for other bonuses. After reaching at least full Hateful gear i recomend going full spell power gems.
Glyphs:
Other options:
Addons: (Important ones)
Macros:
All pets one button (Consume shadows to find Rogues)
/focus [modifier:alt]
/cast [pet:Succubus, target=focus] Seduction
/cast [pet:Felhunter, target=focus] Spell Lock; Spell Lock
/cast Intercept(Rank 4)
/cast Consume Shadows(Rank 9)
CoT Focus target
/cast [target=focus] Curse of Tongues
Pet Dispel Shaman
/cast [pet:Felhunter, target=Name] Devour Magic
Pet Dispell Me
/cast [pet:Felhunter, target=Self] Devour Magic
Teleport
#showtooltip Demonic Circle: Teleport
/cast [mod:alt] Demonic Circle: Summon;
[nomod] Demonic Circle: Teleport;
Map starting tactics
Blades Edge:
Rush to the bridge drop Demonic Circle middle of bridge fall back to your own side.
Use the bridge to kite melee, most often if they're focusing you they follow you like sharks.
Jump down from the bridge see if they follow, if they do teleport back up and free DoTs and drains for you.
IF they dont follow and start to focus your shaman instead just teleport back and start the fear control again.
Nagrand Arena:
Get place behind one of your own pillars, Drop demonic circle and move to the pillar next to it. Shaman stays at the Demonic Circle.
Ruins of Lorderon:
Leave Demonic circle inside the starting area at the left or right corner of the room
Dalaran Sewers:
Leave Demonic it at the starting zone for Full safety teleport (Notice this is going to be nerfed next patch)
Rush out soon as the doors open, do not get thrown out. Run to one of the Box piles on the corners of the platform and drop the Demonic Circle behind the boxes
The arena is made of 2 platforms, lower platform and upperplatform. Theres 2 ways up on the upper one and this can be used to kite melee just like in Blades Edge. Leave teleport on Upper platform, Jump down see if they follow and teleport back up.
Orgrimmar Arena:
Drop the teleport soon as the platform hits Top floor, after this target one of the enemies by using their health bars over their head with (Default Button:V) and start spamming fear button, Soon as wall falls down you should have one of them feared.
Team basics:
You are your Shaman's guardian and he's yours, never leave each other alone. If they try to focus your Shaman, Fear them off him. If they focus you, your Shaman helps you to kite them with Earthbind totem, Frostshock and Hex.
Warlock:
This teams survival rest mainly on your and how well you know how to use the Fear and other crowd control spells you have. Shaman has a major part but without your Fear this team doesn't stand a chance.
Demonic Circle:
Is used basically kiting enemy DPS and Surviving, but can also be used in some more specially ways.
Kiting: Use the Demonic Circle in uppergrounds, Leave it there and jump down, some times the enemy Melee follows you, at this point teleport back up and you have free time to dot up your targets and your shaman can heal you in peace.
Healing teleport Make sure your Shaman knows where your teleport is located, Good way to heal safely full is to tell your friend your going to teleport soon, at this point he starts heading towards the teleport and is ready there to heal you when you teleport.
Fearing Teleport:
If there's too much stuff hitting you and it feels almost impossible to Fear, drop new Demonic Circle after this start slowly kiting them away from the circle, once your around 20 yards away teleport away. Have your Shaman spam Cleanse Poison (vs rogue) and instantly start casting fear.
No charge for you: If your good with your timing you can teleport away same time Warrior Charges or Intercepts you. Helps a lot.
Your CC is nothing: Often the enemy teams might try to burst you down by silencing or stunning your Shaman. Your Shaman should let you know when hes being controlled and he's not able to heal you, when this happens just teleport to the safety of los and let the Stun or silence wears off.
Unstable Affliction:
Use this spell to cover your dots from dispels and your Fear! Best way to do this against team that's good dispelling Fears is cast Fear + UA. Often when they see the fear land they will start spamming dispel and at the same time you casting UA on the target there's a good chanes they will dispel the UA.
Haunt:
Keep this spell on CD all time, Its free heal, small burst and buffs your dots.
Howl of Terror:
Try to use this spell only when you have both of the enemies in range for it, but if it feels impossible to Fear someone use it to get him off you.
Deathcoil:
Use this spell as your last resort CC to save you or your healer from nuke, or in locking down enemy healer.
Fel armor & Demon armor
Rotate this armors, if they aren't attacking you there's no sense having Demon Armor on. Pop out Fel Armor for extra damage. However if they focus damage on you, have Demon armor on ALL time.
General Strategies
Enemy pets: Keep dots up on the enemy pets all times and dont forget that the drain soul (execute move) also works on pets, if the pet goes under 25% and you get a drain soul on it theres really no way a healer can out heal the damage
Drain mana: This spell was greatly buffed in the lats patch and currently i recoment using it againts every healer after getting full dots on them, or atleast corruption and agony.
2 DPS:This fights will rest a lot in the hands of Warlock and how well he manages the CC. Rotate your Fears on both targets if its 2 DPS your facing, Try to cut down their damage much as possible.
DPS + Healer:
This fights gonna be either Fear + nuke kills assisted by your Shaman or outlast fights. Yes your heard me outlast fights, they are rare this days but do still happen.
vs Mage teams:
Always have your pet dispel on manual and be prepared to dispell sheep from you or your Shaman!
vs Deathknight teams:
Depending on what the enemy ghoul is attacking you either kill it or not. If its on your Shaman just let it be since its pretty much giving your Shaman free Mana Due watershield. If its on you just but 3 dots on it and it will die at some point, tho you gotta keep the enemy healer busy to make this happen.
Gargoyle should be always Silenced with Fel Hunter when it spawns and have 3 DoTs on it to take it down. The damage it does is quite serious and increases the DKs burst damage a lot.
vs Rogue teams
Use Hellfire to get our pet in combat, after that buff it with water breathing and you will get into combat. This way Rogue can't Sap you, and it works the same way for Shaman
If the Rogue is dagger Rogue try to face towards him when hes on you to avoid Backstab
vs Hunter teams:
Always have both the Hunter and pet fully dotted
vs Paladin teams:
If you can Silence the Paladin while hes casting heal you will have 6 seconds to nuke him down without him being able to use bubble due Holytree lock down.
(Please if you want tactics vs certain combos dont hesitate to ask, this is still under work)
Getting started
Gear: I personally started using 5/5 Brutal Gladiator Armor with Frostsavage Bracers, Belt and Boots.
You really want to get as high as possible Resilience and Stamina right away.
Why not Full frostsavage gear?
Brutal gladiator armor has more stamina, Set effect bonus (2x +35 resilience) and more armor since the bonus armor. But if you don't have any Old gladiator gear get full Frost savage gear.
PvP Armor Comparison: (Ungemmed)
Brutal Gladiator Dreadweave:
- Stamina 364
- Intellect 150
- Armor 1989
- Resilience rating 132
- Spell power 265
Frostsavage (Helmet, Shoulders, Chest, Legs & Gloves)
- Stamina 309
- Intellect 206
- Armor 1138
- Resilience Rating 206
- Spell power 363
- Critical strike rating 206
Hatefull Gladiator:
- Stamina 458
- Intellect 201
- Armor 1220
- Resilience rating 240
- Spell power 397
- Critical strike rating 195
Deadly Gladiator:
- Stamina 515
- Intellect 224
- Armor 1250
- Resilience rating 271
- Spell power 452
- Critical strike rating 227
Hint: Running weekly Archavon runs will speed your gearing up and save you some arena points if your lucky!
Enchants:Gloves and Braces: +Spell power
Cloak: +Armor or +Haste
Chest: +Health
Boots: +Stamina or +Minor speed / Stamina
Gems:
Socket as the slots fit in start, for other bonuses. After reaching at least full Hateful gear i recomend going full spell power gems.
Glyphs:
- Glyph of Howl of Terror(Major)
- Glyph of Siphon Life(Major)
- Glyph of Fear(Major)
- Glyph of Curse of Exhaustion (minor)
Other options:
- Glyph of Felhunter Coming Soon (Major)
- Glyph of Corruption (Major)
- Glyph of Unstable affliction (Major)
Addons: (Important ones)
Macros:
All pets one button (Consume shadows to find Rogues)
/focus [modifier:alt]
/cast [pet:Succubus, target=focus] Seduction
/cast [pet:Felhunter, target=focus] Spell Lock; Spell Lock
/cast Intercept(Rank 4)
/cast Consume Shadows(Rank 9)
CoT Focus target
/cast [target=focus] Curse of Tongues
Pet Dispel Shaman
/cast [pet:Felhunter, target=Name] Devour Magic
Pet Dispell Me
/cast [pet:Felhunter, target=Self] Devour Magic
Teleport
#showtooltip Demonic Circle: Teleport
/cast [mod:alt] Demonic Circle: Summon;
[nomod] Demonic Circle: Teleport;
Map starting tactics
Blades Edge:
Rush to the bridge drop Demonic Circle middle of bridge fall back to your own side.
Use the bridge to kite melee, most often if they're focusing you they follow you like sharks.
Jump down from the bridge see if they follow, if they do teleport back up and free DoTs and drains for you.
IF they dont follow and start to focus your shaman instead just teleport back and start the fear control again.
Nagrand Arena:
Get place behind one of your own pillars, Drop demonic circle and move to the pillar next to it. Shaman stays at the Demonic Circle.
Ruins of Lorderon:
Leave Demonic circle inside the starting area at the left or right corner of the room
Dalaran Sewers:
Leave Demonic it at the starting zone for Full safety teleport (Notice this is going to be nerfed next patch)
Rush out soon as the doors open, do not get thrown out. Run to one of the Box piles on the corners of the platform and drop the Demonic Circle behind the boxes
The arena is made of 2 platforms, lower platform and upperplatform. Theres 2 ways up on the upper one and this can be used to kite melee just like in Blades Edge. Leave teleport on Upper platform, Jump down see if they follow and teleport back up.
Orgrimmar Arena:
Drop the teleport soon as the platform hits Top floor, after this target one of the enemies by using their health bars over their head with (Default Button:V) and start spamming fear button, Soon as wall falls down you should have one of them feared.
Team basics:
You are your Shaman's guardian and he's yours, never leave each other alone. If they try to focus your Shaman, Fear them off him. If they focus you, your Shaman helps you to kite them with Earthbind totem, Frostshock and Hex.
Warlock:
This teams survival rest mainly on your and how well you know how to use the Fear and other crowd control spells you have. Shaman has a major part but without your Fear this team doesn't stand a chance.
Demonic Circle:
Is used basically kiting enemy DPS and Surviving, but can also be used in some more specially ways.
Kiting: Use the Demonic Circle in uppergrounds, Leave it there and jump down, some times the enemy Melee follows you, at this point teleport back up and you have free time to dot up your targets and your shaman can heal you in peace.
Healing teleport Make sure your Shaman knows where your teleport is located, Good way to heal safely full is to tell your friend your going to teleport soon, at this point he starts heading towards the teleport and is ready there to heal you when you teleport.
Fearing Teleport:
If there's too much stuff hitting you and it feels almost impossible to Fear, drop new Demonic Circle after this start slowly kiting them away from the circle, once your around 20 yards away teleport away. Have your Shaman spam Cleanse Poison (vs rogue) and instantly start casting fear.
No charge for you: If your good with your timing you can teleport away same time Warrior Charges or Intercepts you. Helps a lot.
Your CC is nothing: Often the enemy teams might try to burst you down by silencing or stunning your Shaman. Your Shaman should let you know when hes being controlled and he's not able to heal you, when this happens just teleport to the safety of los and let the Stun or silence wears off.
Unstable Affliction:
Use this spell to cover your dots from dispels and your Fear! Best way to do this against team that's good dispelling Fears is cast Fear + UA. Often when they see the fear land they will start spamming dispel and at the same time you casting UA on the target there's a good chanes they will dispel the UA.
Haunt:
Keep this spell on CD all time, Its free heal, small burst and buffs your dots.
Howl of Terror:
Try to use this spell only when you have both of the enemies in range for it, but if it feels impossible to Fear someone use it to get him off you.
Deathcoil:
Use this spell as your last resort CC to save you or your healer from nuke, or in locking down enemy healer.
Fel armor & Demon armor
Rotate this armors, if they aren't attacking you there's no sense having Demon Armor on. Pop out Fel Armor for extra damage. However if they focus damage on you, have Demon armor on ALL time.
General Strategies
Enemy pets: Keep dots up on the enemy pets all times and dont forget that the drain soul (execute move) also works on pets, if the pet goes under 25% and you get a drain soul on it theres really no way a healer can out heal the damage
Drain mana: This spell was greatly buffed in the lats patch and currently i recoment using it againts every healer after getting full dots on them, or atleast corruption and agony.
2 DPS:This fights will rest a lot in the hands of Warlock and how well he manages the CC. Rotate your Fears on both targets if its 2 DPS your facing, Try to cut down their damage much as possible.
DPS + Healer:
This fights gonna be either Fear + nuke kills assisted by your Shaman or outlast fights. Yes your heard me outlast fights, they are rare this days but do still happen.
vs Mage teams:
Always have your pet dispel on manual and be prepared to dispell sheep from you or your Shaman!
vs Deathknight teams:
Depending on what the enemy ghoul is attacking you either kill it or not. If its on your Shaman just let it be since its pretty much giving your Shaman free Mana Due watershield. If its on you just but 3 dots on it and it will die at some point, tho you gotta keep the enemy healer busy to make this happen.
Gargoyle should be always Silenced with Fel Hunter when it spawns and have 3 DoTs on it to take it down. The damage it does is quite serious and increases the DKs burst damage a lot.
vs Rogue teams
Use Hellfire to get our pet in combat, after that buff it with water breathing and you will get into combat. This way Rogue can't Sap you, and it works the same way for Shaman
If the Rogue is dagger Rogue try to face towards him when hes on you to avoid Backstab
vs Hunter teams:
Always have both the Hunter and pet fully dotted
vs Paladin teams:
If you can Silence the Paladin while hes casting heal you will have 6 seconds to nuke him down without him being able to use bubble due Holytree lock down.
(Please if you want tactics vs certain combos dont hesitate to ask, this is still under work)
Builds
Matchups
Comments: | |
|---|---|
 Mosh | Feb 3, 2009 - 2:46 PM (HideShow) |
| What are the benefits of going with a shaman over a holy paladin? Is it really superior or just a different playstyle?? | |
  Nnmana | Feb 3, 2009 - 3:03 PM (HideShow) |
| Because Shamans rape Holy Paladin with a Warlock. Hi Bluetorch, I'm not sure if you remember me, but we met last night in 2s. Played 1-1 iirc, good games. Solid guide, hope to see you soon in arena as we've got our tactic vs shaman/lock straight - GG! | |
| Bluetorch | Feb 3, 2009 - 5:45 PM (HideShow) |
| Small differences between the play styles, personally i think shaman warlock can be played little more aggressive due to hex and shamans personal damage. If often use hex vs healers at 50% hp and nuke them down by compining our damage to the target. Paladin & Warlock have little easyer times vs 2 dps teams and their start nukes, 2 mages or 2 rogues for example. Havent played paladin warlock my self this season so dont know much of their play styles | |
 Flesseck | Feb 4, 2009 - 10:40 PM (HideShow) |
| Recently had some trouble against Shaman/Rogue which I think might be worse than Priest/Rogue. Any of you have problems with Shaman/Rogue? If so, do you have a good idea of how to handle that comp? | |
 Xintik | Feb 5, 2009 - 2:25 AM (HideShow) |
| Should the shaman be in PVP or PVE gear? Or is PVE acceptable? | |
 Ravennox | Feb 5, 2009 - 5:47 AM (HideShow) |
| Of course they should be in PvP gear, the more the merrier. You'd get nuked in the ass if you had mostly PvE gear. | |
| Bluetorch | Feb 6, 2009 - 8:38 AM (HideShow) |
| Improved fear iv found usefull buying some time untill they get back to you without having need to remove curse of agony and use curse of exhaustion, so improved fear is mainly used to buy time to refear or just that it takes them a bit longer (specially melee) to get back in to range with us. Of course you could use curse of exhaustion for this but i rather have the agony on all time. Now you might ask me "well why do you have curse of exhaustion then?" This talent i mainly use vs pillar kiters since you cant really fear them out without it. | |
| Bluetorch | Feb 6, 2009 - 8:44 AM (HideShow) |
| Stunning; also in your spec the only differences are that you have used the 2 points from improved fear to Fel Concertation, didnt really find need to have more than 1 talent in that since i wont be casting thoses spells with rogue on me to avoid kick. More likely doing fake-fear casts and then go for realfear and drain and dot up after its safe again. Xintik: It can be done with having shaman in pve gear but i highly recoment getting a pvp gear for him, ghorkk is at the moment working on that. Im currently at 895 resilinece and about 22 000 hp and seems this days they rather focus ghorkk instead of me what seems to be the easyest kill from them at the moment. But should get better after hes fully geared. | |
 Demondot | Feb 6, 2009 - 3:52 PM (HideShow) |
| Have you played this comp as deep destro? I've been running it with my shaman and its pretty OP from what we've seen so far. My shaman runs in full PvE gear right now with me stacked up to about 800resil. We haven't had much time to push for more then 10 games but typically we win quick. atleast 4 of our games last night i killed people before the healer could react and with shadowfurry + stuns on conflag + fear + high burst it seems very strong. only games we lost i blame lag for (honestly there were 4 second delays in when he casted and when it went off) but other then that it went really smooth. | |
| Bluetorch | Feb 6, 2009 - 6:06 PM (HideShow) |
| Tested, destructions weakness is really the time needed to cast out the burst damage. Affliction is made of fast cast and channel spells what make it easyer to get damage out, not in massive burst but over all. Also i prefer instant aoe fear due it takes the enemy away from you instead of making them stand near you for few seconds, specially nice vs rogues with mindnumbling poison. Also as warlock casting againts good rogue who dosent fall for the "fake" casts is really hard, with affliction instant dots you can still do small amount of damage while finding time to fear the target or teleport away. Destruction is more made for 2 dps rather than healer dps, but thats only my point of view, you decide | |
| Xintik | Feb 7, 2009 - 1:50 AM (HideShow) |
| Mirror matches? | |
| Bluetorch | Feb 7, 2009 - 4:55 AM (HideShow) |
| I have had request of certain tactics in my mail box, i will start working on them now! Coming soon | |
  Skeel | Feb 9, 2009 - 3:24 PM (HideShow) |
| Vs Rogue teams Use Hellfire to get our pet in combat, after that buff it with water breathing and you will get into combat. This way Rogue can't Sap you, and it works the same way for Shaman [b]If the Rogue is dagger Rogue try to face towards him when hes on you to avoid Backstab[/b] Nice. | |
| Skeel | Feb 9, 2009 - 3:25 PM (HideShow) |
| Oops, sorry, [b] doesnt work here but anyway, I won't say most, ALL rogues are mutilate now and I haven't seen 1 shadowdance rogue in arena so far, and they dont have to be behind you to mutilate you... | |
| Bluetorch | Feb 9, 2009 - 3:38 PM (HideShow) |
| True | |
 Illiterate | Feb 10, 2009 - 3:15 PM (HideShow) |
| i dont no these strats are pretty vague.. ive been running shaman lock since s3. There are alot of other things our team focuses on besides just these things that help us win. Currently my team is at 2428 these arent the greatest suggestions of what to do as these comps.. | |
| Bluetorch | Feb 11, 2009 - 6:10 AM (HideShow) |
| Suggestions are welcome illiterate, so far yours the first bad feedback. I would be happy to hear about your strategys. Please notice this is warlocks point of view | |
  Proxìmus | Feb 12, 2009 - 8:02 AM (HideShow) |
| Why there is no Point in imp fellhunter? i can´t beleave that the pet will not go OOM, when you often have to (auto)dispell an silence Mfg Proxi German Gladiator | |
| Bluetorch | Feb 12, 2009 - 9:23 AM (HideShow) |
| battles dont take that long for me atleast, longest fights we got are vs hunter + healer So far cant remember a game where i wouldnt have been abel to silence when needed or devour also: Silence should never be used on auto, and most of the time i recoment not having devour on auto either since you wanna use it to dispell you or your shaman. | |
 Mattstr | Feb 13, 2009 - 10:08 AM (HideShow) |
| Could lock/druid work if the druid is resto/feral spec? | |
| Sharkbait | Feb 13, 2009 - 7:20 PM (HideShow) |
| jesus christ my shaman and i went 1-5 just now because of hunter shaman and its all 20 minute games. how the hell do we beat hunter shaman | |
| Bluetorch | Feb 14, 2009 - 11:55 AM (HideShow) |
| Mattstr, seen lock druids doing well as resto haunt. Sharkbait, I have sended the AJ an update of strategys, hunter shaman in one of them. Just have to wait for the update | |
 Aedanor | Feb 15, 2009 - 9:56 AM (HideShow) |
| How about with a priest? I ran Lock/Priest during s4 and we did pretty well (perhaps more due to the fact that these were classes we were the most familiar/comfortable with). The problems I see with Haunt lock/disc priest would be fear diminishing returns, lack of kiting ability, poison vulnerability, and lack of cc. Priest has the offensive and defensive dispells and strong insta-cast heals. We used to always have hard times with rogue and warrior, sometimes enh shaman until I would kite them (priest). It is interesting to see successful warlock strategies in this time of world of burstcraft. Thank you! | |
| Bluetorch | Feb 15, 2009 - 11:43 AM (HideShow) |
| You cant really compare s4 to s5, I played season 1,2,3,4 as warlock & priest, gladiator from 1,2,4. missed 3 since my priest stopped playing. But priest & warlock still works, alot harder to survive than´last seasons but after the mana burn, drain buffs from x amount to x% the combo should after massive upperhand vs other healer dps teams. Also having 2 instant aoe fears is nice vs 2 dps. But truely cant really say, havent faced priest warlock in ages and havent tryed it my self this season. | |
 Whooki | Feb 15, 2009 - 6:10 PM (HideShow) |
| Were having probleme with druid/rogue, is there anything special we should do ? | |
| Proxìmus | Feb 16, 2009 - 2:17 AM (HideShow) |
| Our biggest problem is Resto Shaman + Hunter/Rogue It´s all about the fellhunter. when it´s on the shaman he will never get OOM, when it´s not on the shaman he can drink often, because its no problem for a hunter to slow us. Rogues kill the pet still instantly. When they simply train me for the most time i do almost nothing... Because of the slow and stuns it´s not possible for the pet to kill the totems, so fear is not very helpfull. whats your tip guid guy? | |
 Skoomy | Feb 16, 2009 - 4:19 PM (HideShow) |
| Do you feel, as a Warlock, your responsibilities/play style change drastically with a Holy Paladin as compared to a Shaman? | |
| Gearbox | Feb 16, 2009 - 4:39 PM (HideShow) |
| This feel so annoying, last night we faced only Priest/rogues-rogue/something. This night, we are facing Just rogue teams.. so annoying. But, the main guestin is: How should we act aganist warrior/priest? The priest dispells all the DoTs/fears & Burns me out. :/ | |
| Theanswer | Feb 17, 2009 - 3:33 PM (HideShow) |
| Gearbox, the Warlock should make sure Unstable Affliction is always up to avoid the dispells. After playing about 400 games this season I have seen at least 20 Priests dispell UA and it leads to a nice win. Personally, if the Priest is practicing his pole dancing skills I would put full DoT's on the Warrior and try to bate him around a pillar. ( More than half the time if a Melee decides to train the Warlock, he doesn't care where his healer is. ) The priest will then have to come heal his partner and that's when the Shaman can hex or you can Deathcoil/Spell Lock/Howl of Terror or Fear. If the Warrior does fall back and gets heals then you're still in a good position because more than likely the Priest is within LoS and you can start a nice rotation on him. This is what works for me though, good luck. :) | |
| Bodileto | Feb 18, 2009 - 12:05 AM (HideShow) |
| A couple of questions (i know ur busy) I am running resto druid/me we r at 1560 and have problems with double dps for glyphs i have corrup (i love it its so great) and sl and going to get felhunter (which looks very good 1.2k healing every dispell, very helpfull in long matchs to have a heal every 8sec (should i replace with howl instead?)). -Death Embrace? its showimg me it increases your crit% when target is below 35%, is this a bug? -No imp felhunter? i also use dark pact because me felhunter always stays up with mana and i never have to risk life tapping. My fights r quite long (normally around 4+mins because i am running with a druid) i lose a lot to double dps, should i change my felhunter use? how do u use yours? -also do u belive i should use a similiar strat with my druid? -wats your haste? or does it not matter? -no resilience on chest? wats more important resilience or heath generally? -Grim reach needed? and why? also i feel 1 in imp fear is fine. | |
| Bodileto | Feb 18, 2009 - 12:07 AM (HideShow) |
| Gah last question i hope On a pve look: 1 point in eradiction is best dps wise....... why all 3? also i guess this has to deal with is haste all that important b/c i am looking to get some deadly gear so i can start replacing my old crit hatefull with haste atm i have like 14% crit and 9% haste with like 2k spower and ~700resilience and i think 21k hp, wat should i work on | |
| Bodileto | Feb 18, 2009 - 12:10 AM (HideShow) |
| omg so sry, no imp health funnle? in long matches i see my felhunter fall about 3 times and i always try to get him back up b/c his spell lock normally secures me a win. and soul link is nice. He dies b/c of double dps so against 2xdps should i worry about healing him and cc the others? | |
| Lajban | Feb 18, 2009 - 3:19 AM (HideShow) |
| well to be fair Bodileto vs a 2dps team, say its a RogueMage setup. the time you'll spend on healing your pet will not be worth it, the rogue is sure to keep your channeling pushed back 24/7 unless you have the glyph for it. And like i said its a waste of time, those combos wont last very long, you may aswell just FD+ Summon a new pet to reset its health if your shaman cant keep it up. | |
| Tei | Feb 18, 2009 - 6:38 AM (HideShow) |
| Hei Bluetorch, it's nice to see you again! Keep kicking ass, will ya? | |
| Bozzhellsing | Feb 18, 2009 - 8:30 AM (HideShow) |
| "Vs Rogue teams Use Hellfire to get our pet in combat, after that buff it with water breathing and you will get into combat. This way Rogue can't Sap you, and it works the same way for Shaman" How does hellfire put your pet into combat, we attempted this and nothing happened. The only way we were able to get into combat was to charge in or get pet in to combat and then buff (and we still get sapped if not quick enough) Would be grate if you can explain this in more detail | |
| Moonmanz | Feb 18, 2009 - 4:07 PM (HideShow) |
| Bozzhellsing , if ur warlock have SL buff up any dmg he receives will get the pet into combat. The trick is the warlock dmg himself when using hellfire and his pet will get into combat, and by buffing the pet u will also get into combat with him. i hope this explains it | |
| Dreville | Feb 18, 2009 - 6:10 PM (HideShow) |
| I dont understand your Shaman/Dk Strat. U can drop totems through hex, so fearing with 2 seconds left on hex is impossible against a decent shaman. Plus a decent shaman is going to have tremor down throughout the game pretty much negating your fear. Id imagine the only chance this comp would have vs a solid shaman/dk or shaman/hunter team is for them to play poorly... | |
 Kyphosis | Feb 19, 2009 - 12:23 AM (HideShow) |
| Any tips for dealing with good Feral druid/Holy pally teams? | |
| Bluetorch | Feb 19, 2009 - 4:01 AM (HideShow) |
| bodileto Bluetorch howl of terror glyph is must have, currently im using improved fear, terror, and felhunter, was thinking of replacing fear with corruption how ever, not sure yet bodileto:Death Embrace? its showimg me it increases your crit% when target is below 35%, is this a bug? Bluetorch: its a bug, it increases damage done when under x% health bodileto: No imp felhunter? i also use dark pact because me felhunter always stays up with mana and i never have to risk life tapping. My fights r quite long (normally around 4+mins because i am running with a druid) i lose a lot to double dps, should i change my felhunter use? how do u use yours? Bluetorch:Didnt really understant the question but Personally i rather go for maxium damage than the felhunter, not having problems with hes mana, also i would drop dark pact, let the pet have hes mana to hi self bodileto:also do u belive i should use a similiar strat with my druid? Bluetorch: Some of the strategys should work for you too, but you should have good chanes of CC nukes due to Cyclone + fear + silences bodileto:wats your haste? or does it not matter? Bluetorch: i got around 200ish haste atm (6.04%), its good for getting your dots up faster otherwise not that big of a deal since the 20% haste talent. But if you can get haste i would recoment around 150-250ish bodileto:no resilience on chest? wats more important resilience or heath generally? Bluetorch: That info is outdated, the 20 resilience enchant wasnt out yet when i typed that, thanks for reminding me gotta update it. but yeh go for 20 resilience bodileto:Grim reach needed? and why? also i feel 1 in imp fear is fine. Grim reach also effects your fears range and gives you more time to dot up targets running away, you really wanna have longer range in fear for thoses nasty rogues. bodileto: Health funnel Bluetorch: This is a personal choice, either you take that to make it easyer to keep your pet alive or the 20% more healing to health stone to make it easyer to survive 2 dps nukes. Tei: Hi tei! Whe | |
| Воллос | Feb 19, 2009 - 6:58 AM (HideShow) |
| Have some questions. • Is soul syphon needed withoyut fel concentration ? Cause drain is interrupting w/o it it in 2 hits. • Eradication 1 talent, Death's embrace 3. isn't it the best balance between these 2 talents ? | |
| Bodileto | Feb 20, 2009 - 12:53 AM (HideShow) |
| Thanks, i just tried the spec that all teh glad warlocks use. Bo__oc u need fel concentration and soul syphon cuz i found drain life is a MUCH better filler than immolate/shadowburn 1 talent in eradiction b/c it was proven mathematically on warlock wow forums and 1 talent point adds the most dps and will proc normally. I am thinking about switching pandemic to death embrace b/c affliction warlock crit will be lower as u get more haste pvp gear. And personally DE looks more apealing since i see too many of my targets that r below 20% hp get healed up while they r immuned to my fears and my other spells r on cd. | |
| Bodileto | Feb 20, 2009 - 12:55 AM (HideShow) |
| also stam to bracers is the best chant as well i think (40stam v 30spower, its debatable and i think depends on teh person) Also spell penetration is best for cloke | |
| Bluetorch | Feb 20, 2009 - 9:14 AM (HideShow) |
| Death embrace only increases the damage done by 12% by drainsoul, not that ground breaking really | |
| Bodileto | Feb 21, 2009 - 11:12 AM (HideShow) |
| Teleport #showtooltip Demonic Circle: Teleport /cast [mod:alt] Demonic Circle: Summon; [nomod] Demonic Circle: Teleport; is that the correct macro b/c it does not work for me.. | |
| Bodileto | Feb 21, 2009 - 11:19 AM (HideShow) |
| delete that last post, for some reason it works when my modifier is shift not alt | |
| Qlimaxx | Feb 23, 2009 - 7:01 PM (HideShow) |
| Getting stomped by feral+healer. What to do vs. them, especially priest/feral where either pet is failing? Felhunter dying in 3secs, void can't stop manaburns! | |
| Bodileto | Feb 24, 2009 - 12:30 AM (HideShow) |
| i would think u whould want to spam fear the druid, use the exhaust on the druid at all times have ur shamie los the drains while u focus(dots, ua and haunt wise nothing more) the priest and drain him(our drains have been buffed and work well) if the priest tries to mana burn he will be wasting mana then eventually go oom. idk about who to hex, it might make sense to have ur shamie hex the druid so u can drain/dps the priest more... but hopefully by the end u will have a omm priest=> dead then all u gotta deal with is the druid. i also dont know when u should pop heroism, i would think if u had the druid hexed i would do it then so u can have dots on both targets and drain uber fast | |
| Tsuki | Feb 24, 2009 - 1:11 AM (HideShow) |
| What are good gems / enchants for a resto shaman in this set up? meaning crit / mp5 / spell power or resil ? also, if someone could post spec best usable for this combo ( for resto) thanks | |
| Tsuki | Feb 24, 2009 - 1:11 AM (HideShow) |
| What are good gems / enchants for a resto shaman in this set up? meaning crit / mp5 / spell power or resil ? also, if someone could post spec best usable for this combo ( for resto) thanks | |
| Bluetorch | Feb 24, 2009 - 12:54 PM (HideShow) |
| Tsuki, i gotta check ghorkk for that. hang on | |
 Selexan | Feb 24, 2009 - 1:16 PM (HideShow) |
| Bodileto, You can't really spam fear the feral druid b/c he'll go berserk which you cant fear him for 15 secs, but do fear him once so he uses it. Qlimaxx did you spec impr. health funnel? because most of the team are going to try to kill your pet when they have a chance, unless its a dual betrayer fury war... they just ignore your pet. | |
| Moonmanz | Feb 25, 2009 - 3:08 AM (HideShow) |
| against feral teams i have some tricks to add that i do which might slightly help, if the druid is on ur pet just make the pet attack the druid, and when the druid is attacking the warlock and u feel he's coming with a burst try to drain life and leave ur mouse to let ur character rotate freely with the druid. The reason behind making ur pet attack the druid is that when the pet attacks a player or a mob it attacks the player from its back , so by that the druid will find a hard time backstabbing(w/e the name is) ur pet, same is with the druid attacking u and u drain life u just keep facing him and he cant back stab. if he maims ur pet try to health funnel and if he pull to LOS also pull the pet. | |
| Bluetorch | Feb 25, 2009 - 8:57 PM (HideShow) |
| vs ferals save deathcoil for berserker | |
| Qlimaxx | Feb 26, 2009 - 10:42 AM (HideShow) |
| @Selexan, yes I did, possibly not using it enough though, so I will work on that. @Moonmanz, thanks for the advice, I usually try to stand against an object where he can't get behind me (like close to the edge in Dalaran arena, so he has to jump down and run around), but I didn't think of this. | |
| Qlimaxx | Feb 26, 2009 - 10:42 AM (HideShow) |
| @Selexan, yes I did, possibly not using it enough though, so I will work on that. @Moonmanz, thanks for the advice, I usually try to stand against an object where he can't get behind me (like close to the edge in Dalaran arena, so he has to jump down and run around), but I didn't think of this. | |
| Tsuki | Feb 26, 2009 - 11:01 AM (HideShow) |
| just wondering if you were able to ask your shaman about my question, im lookin into a total reconstruction on my shaman to fit a lock / shamn combo. | |
| Bluetorch | Feb 28, 2009 - 5:07 AM (HideShow) |
| For faster replies to questions private message me, possible i reply back to you in 5 mins | |
| Thompax | Feb 28, 2009 - 7:54 AM (HideShow) |
| Played this combo with a 700 resilienced shaman. We foun it interresting, since we met only Resto druid/Death Knight teams. It seemed to work fine, until DK managed to get some time alone with me. What should I do? Totally ignore DK, and fully go Druid? We had 2-1 against them, and we both felt like something was missing. Anyone know what? We cc'ed DK and heavily went druid. | |
| Beaubridger | Mar 1, 2009 - 5:32 AM (HideShow) |
| Playing this combo. My problem with this setup, how do we beat down a warrior who simply keeping you locked away from there healer. Most warriors dont even both with pets since there damage is so high against warlocks, our healer has very little time for a hex or dps on the healer. | |
| Thii | Mar 1, 2009 - 6:56 AM (HideShow) |
| Any suggestions on how to beat druid/lock teams? i cant seem to get the idea down pact. they are like the last hurdle before entering the 2050 rating zone. | |
| Beaubridger | Mar 1, 2009 - 10:57 PM (HideShow) |
| For Druid lock, you should be pressuring the druid, keeping him, the warlock and the pet fully dotted, the shaman should be able to purge "Shadow Ward" to continually damage the warlock, druids can shapeshift out of hex, so when the druid/warlock is low, fear the druid and hex the warlock,spell lock instantly if either of the two pops trinket. this should help the shaman use lava burst and lightning bolt. Purge the druid when he uses Innervate when possible. Keep grouding totem up at all times for death coil and Cyclone. | |
| Bluetorch | Mar 2, 2009 - 5:46 AM (HideShow) |
| Stunning: Druid can get out of hex by changing form, so not a good idea to hex him. Thompax: as affliction you should never totaly ignore targets in 2s Main Croud control should be on the Deathknight, with dots on the druid, deathknight and hes pet up most of the time, make the druid come and make him use hes mana rather than you just chasing after him. You will either win this fight by killing 1 of them but most of the time by the druid running oom if you fast taking out innervate Writing RestoDruid & warlock guide. | |
| Bluetorch | Mar 2, 2009 - 5:55 AM (HideShow) |
| Rogue & healer Rogue & DPS guides are outdated, soon to be deleted. (Rogue teams arent that hard any more :) ) New guides have been added and some are incoming for Rogue & x | |
| Kual | Mar 2, 2009 - 7:17 PM (HideShow) |
| How do you deal with a Hunter Paladin team and Hunter Priest team | |
| Randomized | Mar 3, 2009 - 9:13 AM (HideShow) |
| Do you think this will still be as viable as now with the lock nerfs in 3.1? | |
| Bluetorch | Mar 3, 2009 - 10:26 AM (HideShow) |
| Randomized with the nerfs that are currently confirmed yes i do think this spec is more than viable. But if the UA nerf comes live i cant say. Having UA only on 1 person is a huge nerf, hoping its a bug | |
| Flesseck | Mar 7, 2009 - 8:50 PM (HideShow) |
| No Warlock nerfs coming! They made some changes. That UA only on 1 person is a bug on PTR right now. | |
| Jeromebaker | Mar 9, 2009 - 6:32 PM (HideShow) |
| How about Lock + Priest teams? Sorry to go a little off topic. Me and my real life friend are arena buddies, I have a lock, he has a priest. Hows this team in that make up? Or would be be better of doing Shadow + aff lock? We want to try disc + lock but maybe after 3.1 shadow + lock will be better. | |
| Jeromebaker | Mar 9, 2009 - 6:33 PM (HideShow) |
| Sorry to clarify I meant to ask you, as a lock, if you think a priest partner will work or we will be too gimped. | |
| Flesseck | Mar 10, 2009 - 12:27 AM (HideShow) |
| Any ideas against Repentence Holy Pally/DK? One good team has been giving us a lot of trouble. | |
| Squarepusher | Mar 10, 2009 - 2:00 AM (HideShow) |
| Against rog/lock, hope for Blade's Edge! ;< | |
| Bluetorch | Mar 10, 2009 - 10:10 AM (HideShow) |
| Grrr rogue lock! :) | |
| Nekoslol | Mar 10, 2009 - 12:18 PM (HideShow) |
| "However if they focus damage on you, have Demon armor on ALL time." no | |
| Nekoslol | Mar 11, 2009 - 4:20 AM (HideShow) |
| i dont use fel armor or demon armor i feel it makes it too easy | |
| Bluetorch | Mar 11, 2009 - 5:01 AM (HideShow) |
| Nekoslol: Please if you disagree with some thing post a reply explaining why you think different and what do you do instead of just "no". Would help the people who are reading trow this more | |
| Nekoslol | Mar 13, 2009 - 4:45 PM (HideShow) |
| use demon armor only when there is too much pressure and your healer can't outheal it i use fel armor as often as possible to keep maximum pressure out, the more offensive you are is the less they are | |
 Danice | Mar 13, 2009 - 6:58 PM (HideShow) |
| I doubt you'll be able to beat a good fury warrior/holy pala team, this setup is so easy imo. Though you're a big counter to holy pala/hunter which is a combo there's alot of out there. Nice guide *thumbs up* | |
| Pinsir | Mar 14, 2009 - 7:37 PM (HideShow) |
| Ok, my team just hit around 1700 and lately we have been seeing feral druid/priest like crazy and they have been killing our rating. It seems like everything is against us. Can't hex the druid to focus priest, can't really frost shock him the entire time because of cat charge and just shapeshifting. When I hex the priest, the druid has an easy time of locking up my lock. When he trys using demon armor the whole time we cant keep any pressure so i get mana burned. Not to mention the druid going immune to fears. I know, im a qqer but any help would be appreciated :) | |
| Mentix | Mar 16, 2009 - 3:26 PM (HideShow) |
| Your strat for rogue/priest doesn't seem to work for us. What happens if your lock is locked down by the rogue and cant get off a cast or get close enough to the priest to Howl or Fear? | |
| Hackzlol | Mar 16, 2009 - 3:49 PM (HideShow) |
| How do you handle Feral/Holy Pali teams | |
 Pupko | Mar 17, 2009 - 2:53 PM (HideShow) |
| Mentix Hex\fake cast\portal\Death coil. this all given u time for casting fear. | |
| Conclude | Mar 17, 2009 - 5:59 PM (HideShow) |
| Warrior paladin tips? Also, what about feral / ____ (dps or healer) when they get on shaman, I die in ~6 secs when druid is beserk, and no peels can be made. | |
| Prozector | Mar 18, 2009 - 9:47 AM (HideShow) |
| What macros should I use to turning auto and manual mode of my pet for spell lock and dispel. Could smb tell me about what mode auto/manual we should use against different classes. Thx a lot | |
| Hackzlol | Mar 19, 2009 - 1:11 AM (HideShow) |
| feral tips | |
| Qlimaxx | Mar 19, 2009 - 6:51 AM (HideShow) |
| Prozector: i think it's /petautotoggle Devour Magic, something with toggle atleast. | |
 Fearthisbub | Mar 19, 2009 - 1:49 PM (HideShow) |
| very nice guide :) 3 thumbs up | |
| Kryangel | Mar 19, 2009 - 8:05 PM (HideShow) |
| RESTO SHAMAN, RET PALLY... go | |
| Bluetorch | Mar 21, 2009 - 2:26 PM (HideShow) |
| New strategys coming up by requests, Hang on guys! For rush questions send Arenajunkies email to me | |
| Bluetorch | Mar 21, 2009 - 2:29 PM (HideShow) |
| Good luck for every Warlock & Shaman towards Season 5 gladiator! Keep up the fight | |
| Againstmë | Mar 22, 2009 - 3:03 PM (HideShow) |
| How come there is no one using a 8/11/52 resto specc in this setup ? any special reasons ? I love the specc as i can "tank" enemys alot better :P tho i make this specc when i was playing with a Dk that ppl would never really focuse. I see that when i changed to a lock its more a 50% chance who they will focuse.. | |
| Radikaal | Mar 22, 2009 - 9:40 PM (HideShow) |
| You just said it yourself, tbh i think in most realms and at most rankings the lock will be focused when playing against good teams. So in the long run speccing for stronger healing would be a better idea i think. | |
| Sholazar | Mar 23, 2009 - 1:29 AM (HideShow) |
| What about a matchup versus Disc/Holy Priest / DK | |
| Sholazar | Mar 23, 2009 - 5:59 PM (HideShow) |
| BTW, On a side note, Imp Felhunter blows... The felhunters mana doesn't scale at all, having like 6-7k at level 80.. 4% of that is nothing. | |
| Karazax | Mar 24, 2009 - 12:33 AM (HideShow) |
| I noticed that just about every 54/17 spec among the top rated warlocks has slight variances of some sort. Even your spec seems to be different from what your guide lists as most common or top dps. Has the ideal spec changed since the guide was created, and why is there such a huge range of variance in talent choices between top locks (in comparison to pve specs where there is virtually none)? | |
 Darknova | Mar 25, 2009 - 8:24 PM (HideShow) |
| I'd just like to point out that Gladius is far superior to Proximo. should prolly look into it | |
| Bluetorch | Mar 26, 2009 - 9:12 AM (HideShow) |
| Darknova:Yeh Gladius is far better than proxi, Using it my self. Working on overall update to the guide. Karazax: Well this guide was changed in quite early of the season, so there has been alot different talent testing etc. Feel free to ask about the talents specially and i explain what i like about it and what i dont. | |
| Aceshigh | Mar 26, 2009 - 9:17 PM (HideShow) |
| Good holy pali dk teams help. i cant get a ua off pali spamming dispell on fears and dk popping AMS followed by lichborn only on Ua's. Dk/ shammy to dks just put out so much dmg | |
| Vekke | Mar 27, 2009 - 1:12 PM (HideShow) |
| feral / healer...how? | |
| Pupko | Mar 27, 2009 - 10:04 PM (HideShow) |
| Aceshigh Make UA during Hex. | |
| Nîghtshade | Mar 28, 2009 - 3:18 PM (HideShow) |
| Hey, I've been looking around and wanted to ask you for the best anti-totem macros. I've been trying to find an all-in-one macro for the pet to kill the totems, but haven't yet been successful in finding one ! I also seem to have a problem with a macro for Tremor totem. I asked a chaman to link the spell to make sure I didn't misspell, so my macro basically gives : /tar (link of the tremor totem) /petattack /targetlasttarget and the pet just simply doesn't react, even though other kinds of similar macros (not involving totems) work ! And yes the Tremor totem is down when I try the macro, just never works. Do you have a better one? Thanks in advance ! | |
| Neferati | Mar 29, 2009 - 4:54 AM (HideShow) |
| How and when do u use bloodlust? is it used as defensive to get shamans heals off? or as offensive..say after a untrinketd fear/hex to burst sumone down? Just got back froma 2 month absence..looking at starting said team, and this was my only thing i was unsure of. Thanks Nef | |
| Randomized | Mar 29, 2009 - 11:49 AM (HideShow) |
| With the changes to fear and hex do you think this will still be as viable as now? and also with the dmg nerfs for locks. | |
| Beyonce | Mar 30, 2009 - 12:09 PM (HideShow) |
| go ahead and try gibbing a healer without your stun Stunning... stop trolling plx >> | |
| Plenty | Mar 30, 2009 - 10:40 PM (HideShow) |
| Could most of this be applied to resto Druid/Warlock too? Obviously Cyclone isn't as good as hex, and there are some major differences, but as a general guide perhaps? I've been running with my RL friend, and we've been having a rough time of it. I just convinced him to switch to resto, since boomkin was losing us a lot of matches. We did much better this week, and are looking to climb back up from our humiliating rating. | |
| Pupko | Mar 31, 2009 - 2:10 AM (HideShow) |
| http://www.arenajunkies.com/team/2v2/EU/Bloodscalp/BRB_Rerolling_FOTM/ Ur combo have undispellable roots(not vs hpala+dd). good way to kill teams with melee. | |
| Bluetorch | Mar 31, 2009 - 4:29 AM (HideShow) |
| Bloodlust is used boft defensive and aggresive. Best vs 2 dps teams start nuke to survive it. Nightshade, theres a macro for totems above you. But the macros are going to be nerfed soonish | |
| Einhorn | Apr 1, 2009 - 3:14 AM (HideShow) |
| would like to see what a shaman/lock strat would be against DK/priest | |
| Ceepee | Apr 1, 2009 - 5:30 PM (HideShow) |
| Can't figure out for the life of me what the hell to do vs. Ret/Rogue. Between sap/hoj/repentance/blind on me my lock just gets destroyed. Even without any CC on me the damage output is absolutely retarded. (and yeah, we are generally denying sap via hellfire+healthfunnel+riptide, also dispelling hoj or repentance, whichever comes first, trinketing blind obviously.) Problem is, repentance will still sit on me for full duration if the paladin has a brain and gets rid of my grounding before using it. | |
| Beaubridger | Apr 2, 2009 - 10:39 AM (HideShow) |
| If you have Felhunter out, and a paladin puts a Repentance on you. Use your Pets Devour Magic. Remember Repentance is a Magic move.If you don't have a macro for Devour magic, there a rather nice guild made in the macro section for warlocks you should look up. This should give you enough time for death coils/instant Fear/Fear. For ret/rogue, imo you should be really pressuring the rogue, this will cause the pala to either heal or force the rogue away. | |
| Advante | Apr 9, 2009 - 8:16 AM (HideShow) |
| LOCK GO FACEROLL YOUR HEAD FROM NO.1 TO NO.9 BINDED WITH DOTS, SHAMAN POP HEROISM AND LOCK SPAM FEAR ON THE OTHER GUY EASY POINTS GOGO | |
| Dogmanxz | Apr 9, 2009 - 8:16 AM (HideShow) |
| OK HERE ARE THE DOG TACTICS... SHAMAN: POP HEROISM 1 MIN BEFORE THE GATE ARE OPEN... WARLOCK: START FROM (1) AND END AT (=) .. OK START FACEROLLING GOGOGOGO | |
| Dogmanxz | Apr 9, 2009 - 8:17 AM (HideShow) |
| WARLOCK SPAM FEAR... SHAMAN SPAM LAVA BURST... = WIN HOW MORE EZ CAN THIS BE.. OH YA, GO H NAXX +500RATING | |
| Blaner | Apr 9, 2009 - 10:03 AM (HideShow) |
| Come back to cyclone nnmana and face some Real teams :> | |
 Kithkanan | Apr 11, 2009 - 8:56 AM (HideShow) |
| dude i'm not even a hater but seriously...u play EASILY the gayest class in the game and now u make a strat for something that takes less skill than DK/Holy pally to play. ""UW UWWW I'M BELOW 90% HP. PLZ PRESS UR FEAR, DOT, AND SPELL LOCK MACROS SO I CAN COLLECT MY 20 POINTS AND GLAD. " ...gay dude. wtf | |
| Bluetorch | Apr 12, 2009 - 12:24 PM (HideShow) |
| oh my | |
| Illiterate | Apr 12, 2009 - 10:41 PM (HideShow) |
| o look we got a druid who is crying becasue he cnt get glad in s5 and is used to be so overpowered in BC suck my cock bro | |
| Hellchi | Apr 13, 2009 - 12:52 AM (HideShow) |
| I know you posted that spec should be decent with the changes in 3.1 but with the fear changes you think Affliction's playstyle will change vastly? | |
| Bluetorch | Apr 13, 2009 - 10:10 AM (HideShow) |
| I was on PTR testing the warlock specs with other warlock whos Brutal gladiator from last season. Found the affliction spec working just fine. Also tested the destruction spec, personally im more to the affli side but it should work with 2 dps combo like rogue warlock or so. But i think Affli lock & healer will be more than viable combo in season 6. The spec i was using was this for affliction http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warlock=205002203122351105250230115100322030113020000000000000000000000000000000000000000&glyph=000000000000&version=9767 | |
| Bluetorch | Apr 13, 2009 - 10:11 AM (HideShow) |
| http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warlock =205002203122351105250230115100322030113020000000000000000000000000000000000000000& glyph=000000000000&version=9767 >First one was too long to fit =) had to use some enter here and there | |
| Pinsir | Apr 14, 2009 - 12:55 AM (HideShow) |
| I was thinking about having my lock go destro and I go ele or enhance, between frost shocks and wolves i could hold a target still long enough for the lock to pull off some serious dmg. I dunno what anyone else thinks about this | |
| Bodileto | Apr 17, 2009 - 1:23 AM (HideShow) |
| Bluetorch u are the gladiator, but i disagree. It looks like Destro/Succu and Ele sham would destroy. with all the incerate buffs, CCs, Stuns and Dazes and while having heroism+backdraft a lock should be able to do 5-6k dps. idk how this really plays out, but if the lock seduces and fears the healr, the shaman can hex the dps and htey can go all out. if any1 pops out, u have the instant seduce, shadowfury, siliencing shock and thunderstorm.... can some1 try this out? i am trying to find a viable shaman to do 2s but unfortunately on this server there r very little skilled arena players. | |
| Bodileto | Apr 17, 2009 - 1:23 AM (HideShow) |
| Bluetorch u are the gladiator, but i disagree. It looks like Destro/Succu and Ele sham would destroy. with all the incerate buffs, CCs, Stuns and Dazes and while having heroism+backdraft a lock should be able to do 5-6k dps. idk how this really plays out, but if the lock seduces and fears the healr, the shaman can hex the dps and htey can go all out. if any1 pops out, u have the instant seduce, shadowfury, siliencing shock and thunderstorm.... can some1 try this out? i am trying to find a viable shaman to do 2s but unfortunately on this server there r very little skilled arena players. | |
| Bodileto | Apr 17, 2009 - 1:23 AM (HideShow) |
| it double posted? thats odd | |
| Bluetorch | Apr 17, 2009 - 8:46 AM (HideShow) |
| Bodileto, that can work yes! But mainly what i ment is that im personnally going to stick my s5 game style if its possible :) | |
| Bodileto | Apr 17, 2009 - 8:26 PM (HideShow) |
| yea i am not cuz i have a horrible history of finding bad healrs. a know a geared shaman and trying to get him to think about going double dps | |
| Shinsui | Apr 18, 2009 - 5:59 AM (HideShow) |
| love your guide just have a few questions do you use firestone or spellstone? Do you stack any haste at all? | |
| Jeromebaker | Apr 18, 2009 - 1:40 PM (HideShow) |
| Im also curious about which stone to use and also wondering what glyphs, im thinking Siphon Life, Soul Link and Shadowflame? | |
| Bluetorch | Apr 18, 2009 - 2:51 PM (HideShow) |
| as affli im using spell stone and im stacking crit instead of haste due to pademic. for glyphs im planning to Soullink, Corruption, Howl of terror in s6. Not sure yet. I will start working on a update to the guide soon as s6 starts and i can get testing | |
| Jeromebaker | Apr 18, 2009 - 3:38 PM (HideShow) |
| what about improved fear? I would think with fear breaking much earlier on a focus target now, the slow would be a lot nice, melee gets off you for 3 seconds but at least comes back slowed. | |
| Shankmayn | Apr 19, 2009 - 12:48 AM (HideShow) |
| Bodileto i swear to god i was thinking the same thing, ele is 100% better now and destro does so much dmg its stupid, with the Succy and a hex on a heals?? should be Gee gee unless say 2 rogues or something. Killing something in a warstomp from 100% is really good on the ele side too, flame shock-lava burst- macro Elemental Mastery SP trinket Chain Lightning- Thunder Storm- Frost Shock can deal a solid 20k dmg in 2 seconds... not even counting anything from the lock. /shrug idk but am thinkin of tryin it. | |
| Stunning | Apr 20, 2009 - 4:38 PM (HideShow) |
| THIS REALLY NEEDED A STRATEGY | |
| Elitesanin | Apr 23, 2009 - 3:14 AM (HideShow) |
| WHAT HAPPENED TO RESTO DRUID WARLOCK??? CAN WE GET NEW STRAGS FOR all the new pally combos it seems like pallies are kicking our butt!!! | |
| Bluetorch | Apr 23, 2009 - 4:54 AM (HideShow) |
| Ghorkk is kinda not intrested of playing atm, so cant really do upgrates atm. | |
| Thompax | Apr 26, 2009 - 2:12 PM (HideShow) |
| Bluetorch, do you know if this combo is viable in S6 too? | |
| Bluetorch | Apr 27, 2009 - 5:24 AM (HideShow) |
| I havent been abel to test the combo yet :( neither have faced any shaman warlocks. So cant really say, but there are warlock shamans at 2400 rating so its gotta work a little alteast? | |
| Damuga | Apr 27, 2009 - 8:52 PM (HideShow) |
| ok so my question is this... how do you keep your lock up through the stunlock bull shit? should i be using a castsequence like: clense totem, clense, LHW, clense, LHW ... ect? or should i just mash clense until the lock is at 40% then burn my ns healing macro on him in the first 5 seconds of the fight? i can usually keep my lock up through the stun lock, but i burn 50% of my mana on LHW spam while the rogue just sticks on my lock for the entire fight, it seems as though if i stop healing for even one second its GG on my lock. | |
| Damuga | Apr 27, 2009 - 9:48 PM (HideShow) |
| ^ was supposed to be in the priest/rogue match up... my bad | |
| Darknova | Apr 28, 2009 - 8:07 PM (HideShow) |
| Damuga, I dont know your gear, but your lock's resil is really a huge mittigating factor there. Hey torch, I was kinda hoping you could put in a Lock/Priest combo strat sometime soon. Me and my partner keep running into a few of them that off the bat manadrain/burn our shammy then power own me. Thoughts? | |
| Darknova | Apr 28, 2009 - 8:08 PM (HideShow) |
| me = lock btw | |
| Bluetorch | May 3, 2009 - 11:05 AM (HideShow) |
| i havent been abel to play due ghorkk stopping wow =( hopefully ill be back soon | |
| Jonnoc | May 4, 2009 - 2:14 AM (HideShow) |
| Hi question how much spell penetration would be good to have? also i have a post on the ask a gladiators forum about spell hit needed would love input. | |
| Bluetorch | May 8, 2009 - 4:18 AM (HideShow) |
| Found a shaman i might be abel to get updates done to the guide with. Ill keep you posted. Jonnoc, im not certain but i personally like 120 peneration and 4% hit | |
| Nelithar | May 8, 2009 - 5:28 AM (HideShow) |
| Combo is viable. Many things changed, and specs need an update, but combo is viable. Double dps teams are "fixed" by succubus, rogue/priest can go both ways. Warrior+healer is something we can't beat though (unless healer is a bady). Thinking of going meta for this. The combo I find is totally unbeatable by lock+shaman is DK/DK in top gear. 25 seconds immunity to CC on both of them are enough to kill shaman without single of them dying. More than enough. | |
| Holia | May 11, 2009 - 7:23 AM (HideShow) |
| is this still viable for 2k+ in 3.1 yes or no? | |
| Bluetorch | May 12, 2009 - 3:53 AM (HideShow) |
| Yes it more than viable, Currently theres warlock & shaman at 2600 rating and me my self have been with low geared shaman but still been abel to get 1900-2000 rating with 65% win ratio. Shaman needs more gear on my team tho! dps like him too much atm. And warrior & Healer teams are beatable, quite easy actually too if all your cc is succesh. | |
| Holia | May 12, 2009 - 8:08 AM (HideShow) |
| kk cuz me and my lock m8 are hovering at 1.3k I have no idea why I guess we just need to practice more. | |
| Grotania | May 13, 2009 - 4:58 AM (HideShow) |
| Really Imp succy and 5 in imp damage? The pet gets 2 hit you summon a felhunter (which is weak aswell) and there goes 5 pts not going to use. | |
| Bluetorch | May 14, 2009 - 4:11 AM (HideShow) |
| Grotania what? no imp succy in this setup talent build | |
| Sttibur | May 16, 2009 - 5:58 PM (HideShow) |
| Me and my lock partner started a 2v2 team. I used to be elemental and he was destro, but after reading this guide we decided to try resto/affli.. however, there is a slight problem. I've never healed in my life. I looked at some specs and glyphs but i have no idea on how to organize my action bars or which macros to use.. etc. I really could use some help and I'd appreciate it very much! | |
| Blodkors | May 18, 2009 - 9:49 AM (HideShow) |
| We started this combo last week after me being away since 12/2008 and Shaman a former Warrior. Have been enjoying a lot- the only thing that really causes us trouble are Rogue + healer and a team with Ret. Time will tell how far we can go with enough pratice. :) | |
| Nihÿn | May 23, 2009 - 11:43 AM (HideShow) |
| Trying this comp atm. It was pretty difficult as UA to win druid comps, and overgeared warriors were a pain in the ass. Ever since my lock tried out destro, it seems a lot easier to gib warriors who annoy you, as well as druids, even when fully hotted. But I don't see how the succubus could be used in this setup. Doesn't it share a dr with fear or something ? I have however found that the shaman needs to play offensively, and that includes wearing full crit gear, since trying to drink will make you miss a gib opportunity 90% of times. However, we're having trouble with druid, or paladin / ret (only good ones) where the paladin will just keep spamming dispel, decreasing a lot my lock's damage. Any ideas on that ? | |
| Colosso | May 23, 2009 - 5:32 PM (HideShow) |
| I found that destro lock resto shaman works better then afflic lock resto shaman. Im not very well geared at all and hit 1800. The only combo we have trouble with is double dps teams (that have a rogue) or resto druid rogue, other then that though every team is rather easy.. Highly recommend some of you locks trying this combo to go destro | |
| Clefable | May 23, 2009 - 5:44 PM (HideShow) |
| Using a succubus allows you to CC one person (usually healer) with ease, which then allows you to fear the target + nuke. String a hex onto the end of the seduce chain and you effectively take a person out of the game for a very long time. With enough pressure on their partner the CC'd person is forced to trinket. Wait for DR's to go away and do it again -> bloodlust -> shaman assist dps -> kill. | |
| Nihÿn | May 24, 2009 - 2:06 PM (HideShow) |
| Thank you for the answer, Clefable. Usually Hex on the heal with death coil, pet silence and shocks is enough to kill the dps. But, if the dps is good and knows how to survive, seduce could be a tremendous help. But then again, the succubus is really to fragile. If the dps decides to gib it, do you even bother summoning another, or will you stick with the felhunter ? | |
| Clefable | May 24, 2009 - 5:05 PM (HideShow) |
| We use a ridiculous amount of shards either preemptively resummoning if they are targeting the succubus, or resummoning the succubus for a new mana bar. The succubus is used almost exclusively. We only switch to another pet if we get frustrated from them doing nothing but hit the pet the entire game. The felhunter or a void even can still die just as easily as a succubus, but most teams seem reluctant to target those pets for whatever reason. | |
| Oldadam | Jun 1, 2009 - 5:27 PM (HideShow) |
| I have been playing arena this season with a resto shaman and me as aff until just recently. Our luck has been pretty bad as this combo so I decided to change to Destro and OMG the first night we played we went 12-3 and before that we stayed right at 1-1 win loss. The destro spec with Chaos bolt and the conflag glyph WTFPWN. have not seen too many teams that can handle the burst dps when BL is popped. Plus the fact that at 25% Drain soul still ticks for 4k+ this spec is a must for lock shaman combos that have had troubles with resto/affliction combos. I will post more with updates as we play more games with this combo but from what ive seen in just 15 games I wish i would have changed before we played 300 with a 50% win ratio....... | |
| Gaelrose | Jun 3, 2009 - 4:17 AM (HideShow) |
| Guys! Urgently need answers on some details: 1) How to avoid sap ( I used warlock's hellfire, but it disappears in a 5-6 sec, so u need to repeat it constantly? If druid-rogue against us they just wait till i make a mistake or simply wait while i become with half mana) 2) what kind of shock do you use to spell interrupting: earth or wind? 3)Can u get a good guide against priest-rogue cause when i read this one there were a lot of questions: so rogue is on the lock, I'm spamming heal as a mad. But another;'s priest feels free and can do everything what he wants | |
| Nelithar | Jun 3, 2009 - 6:38 AM (HideShow) |
| Played it as destro+resto to 2350 this season. Dropped down to 2,2k twice already. Things that totally fuck us up: 1) Rogue+priest. Nothing that can be done it seems, priest just facerolls dispels on everything starting from immolate and to shadowfury and coil. Yeah there is option to go with succy and seduce priest and fear rogue, but if at least 1 is undead - that kind of fails. Oh and vs double undead team I am dead in first 15-20 sec of combat. i.e. blowing all CD in sap duration in order to survive, then shaman eats blind/psychic, and they finish me. total heals that go through are 1 NS heal and earthshield recast. 2) Warrior+Druid. Druid pillar humps all game long, warrior is all over me (or worse if he goes shaman and overpowers nature school and sticks to her). Smart rotation of seduce, shadowfury, conflags with teleport and hex while sfury or coiling druid into fear, sometimes helps a bit. So most of fights druid actually goes oom, then.. hots warrior, pillar-humps and innervates to 100%, and they just outmana us. 3) Lost some chunk of games to rogue+destrolock, when they go for shaman (sapping me). Shaman doesn't survive sap, even though I seduce.. | |
| Bluetorch | Jun 3, 2009 - 5:46 PM (HideShow) |
| Hellfire tactic dosent work, Out dated info it was nerfed few patches ago | |
| Jaydi | Jun 7, 2009 - 1:03 PM (HideShow) |
| Clefable, a Resto Shaman / Destruction Warlock - Strategy is missing here! May be you and Torment could create one, would be awesome. ,) | |
| Ronfar | Jun 9, 2009 - 9:05 PM (HideShow) |
| would like an update. Running this comp at 2k MMR and warriors and DKs i have no answer for. Mostly accompanied by druid or pally | |
| Shamedude | Jun 10, 2009 - 6:25 AM (HideShow) |
| Cheers for this guide running it today | |
| Nekoslol | Jul 1, 2009 - 2:13 AM (HideShow) |
| i used felhunter 24/7 ;) | |
| Nelithar | Jul 15, 2009 - 10:31 AM (HideShow) |
| I am making movie of runing this comp this season to 2600+. Will include both warlock and shaman footage, synced. ETA - 1st week of August :) | |
| Sternn | Jul 17, 2009 - 3:32 AM (HideShow) |
| Blue, I know that you have recently traded your arena partners for a priest /gasp But I'm still interested in this comp. I'm going to work on getting geared in PvP (PvE Takes up w to much time >.<) But I was wondering, I know CC is a big part of this comp, But what stat should I be looking at (Resto Shaman btw) Crit / Mp5? I know Mp5 is getting buffed, but when you did play with your shaman; Did he rely on outlasting the other opposistion in a Mana Contest, Or did he rely on breathtaking burst heals. I'm really excited to try this out. But the Crit / Mp5 is bothering me, because if I get full set of one, and realise that the other is better.. Boy am I screwed? | |
| Shalamaar | Jul 21, 2009 - 10:54 AM (HideShow) |
| Shalamaar | Jul 21, 2009 - 10:59 AM (HideShow) |
| @ Stern. The only healer I have to outlast mana is a Druid vs DK/Affl lock. When he innervates. I spam purge. Most of the time though. His HotS will let me not get to innervate. But if your friend. Which I think is a lock fears in time so he cant throw dots. Is a good move. Imo. - I have a question for myself. Friend is affl lock. We always have problems with an MS warrior and rogue double dps And frost mage rogue dps. And DK druid lasts forever. Any other way to make it shorter? Are locks suppose to have void out at all times during mass dps double teams? | |
| Soulborn | Jul 22, 2009 - 6:00 AM (HideShow) |
| im doing the same as Stern, trying this comp and only played 10 games so far. Is this viable to decent ratings and will it in that case still be viable come 3.2? Im not a huge fan of arena but sometimes its fairly fun and thats why i keep going, not a pro but see myself as a decent player atleast. Would it be too much to ask to maybe have some parts of the guide updated? Thanks in advance | |
| Bluetorch | Jul 22, 2009 - 1:05 PM (HideShow) |
| Hello all, yes its true i have traded this season to priest but i will return in 3.2 as shaman & lock. Tested this setup on PTR with friend of mine and felt really solid setup, better than it has ever been before. Rogue & healers and Retri & healers have gotten ALOT easyer due to the resilience change. Also what i loved the most, I could actually let my pet follow the dps behind pillar without it dieing! :o I will work an update for this setup soon as 3.2 is released and season 7 starts. The shaman who i played last season with (ghorkk) has actually returned to wow so hopefully will team up with him again (tho he has alot gearing up to do) Ps to questions: I cant help you with tactics that much for this season since havent played this setup at all in s6, my shaman stopped wow after season 5 and didnt have other shaman to play this setup with. BUT every thing will be better in 3.2, warlock & shaman is doing a huge-comeback and i will definatly be playing it. Most likely it will be strongest warlock setups in 2s with druid & lock pretty much at the same level. I will return to you when 3.2 is released and work a full scale update for this guide Untill we meet again! Your´s Bluetorch author of Warlock & Shaman guide | |
| Bluetorch | Jul 22, 2009 - 1:07 PM (HideShow) |
| THIS INFO IS OUTDATED: Enchants:Gloves and Braces: +Spell power Cloak: +Armor or +Haste Chest: +Health Boots: +Stamina or +Minor speed / Stamina NEW Enchants:Gloves and Braces: +Spell power Cloak: +Spell peneration Chest: +Resilience Boots: +Minor speed / Stamina | |
| Bluetorch | Jul 22, 2009 - 1:08 PM (HideShow) |
| Actually the whole guide is outdated alot.. back in 3.2.. | |
| Bodileto | Jul 22, 2009 - 1:55 PM (HideShow) |
| sounds great cuz i just met a good shaman and was wondering if i should trade my priest for him in 3.2 | |
| Shinsplitter | Jul 25, 2009 - 3:20 PM (HideShow) |
| Shinsplitter | Jul 25, 2009 - 3:23 PM (HideShow) |
| i think a good strat. vs dk's is try to get a full rotation on the dk and just start spamming drain life. you will be able to outlast the dk that way and it will for the druid to come out for heals. try to drag the dk behind your pilliar cuz most likely he will be on you. keep an eye on heath funnel because if he is smart he will switch to your pet randomly to try to kill it off. either CC the druid after the green sheild or after you dot up the druid (when he comes out the first time) see how squishy he is, then repeat the full rotation and drain, then switch to the druid | |
| Mayaxa | Jul 27, 2009 - 1:55 PM (HideShow) |
| Which spec would be better to do 2s with a lock, resto or ele? If im ele, our burst dmg against healer+dps teams is great and we can usually kill the healer pretty quickly, and then the dps is easy to take down. On the other hand, if we face off double dps its hard to survive because i usually get stun locked and just die right away (because for some reason we mostly face rogues and shammys can hardly do anything to them). As resto, all our games were 20+ min, and i do not feel like gaining 5-10 rating per game if it takes me more than 5 mins... opinions please and let me know from personal experiences if you think resto/ele is better. | |
| Talitha | Jul 31, 2009 - 4:24 AM (HideShow) |
| Im currently running this comp with a lock who has 20k health and 830 resil, im at 20k health with 1008 resil, hes pretty new to arenas, i have been doing arenas since Season 1, we seem to be stuck at 1500's sadly, seems like anything with a rogue just disowns us, my partner is new to 2's (i used to be 2k rating with warrior previously this season) but we cant get this comp working i dont no why lol, i considered going ele with succy/fear/hex chain CC seems it could be viable, but i hate not having survivability! | |
 Varanasou | Aug 10, 2009 - 8:04 AM (HideShow) |
| I was wondering if this going to be updated any time in the future. | |
| Chaotical | Aug 10, 2009 - 12:18 PM (HideShow) |
| update pl0x :) | |
| Nelithar | Aug 20, 2009 - 11:42 AM (HideShow) |
| 2600+ me and Razit, season6, 1,5 months, before 3.2, while shamans were.. lets say not so good. Commented and shown from both classes perspective. Link: http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=122339 | |
| Bluetorch | Aug 24, 2009 - 2:18 PM (HideShow) |
| Updated coming soon after season s7 start | |
| Stunning | Sep 7, 2009 - 11:11 AM (HideShow) |
| LOL THIS IS THE HARDEST COMP LOL DOT DOT DOT FEAR FEAR HEX LAVABURST RWRUURWUR WOOUUWRUOWRUOWO | |
| Apsy | Sep 15, 2009 - 12:55 AM (HideShow) |
| Can you give me some tips against pall prot and warrior ?! Thanks ! | |
| Vesper | Sep 21, 2009 - 6:44 AM (HideShow) |
| Would kill for an update of this strat... :s | |
| Bluetorch | Sep 28, 2009 - 6:23 AM (HideShow) |
| Update is 60% done, Release date should be around 1.10.2009 | |
| Prêtendêr | Oct 4, 2009 - 7:14 PM (HideShow) |
| Whats best...idk strat against double DK | |
| Jaydi | Oct 10, 2009 - 2:08 AM (HideShow) |
| gief update! =) | |
| Lenoranda | Oct 11, 2009 - 6:43 PM (HideShow) |
| Hey guys I'm having some fairly basic troubles... Melee. Double melee teams rip through my healer, and all seem to have immunizing talents ie. Rogue-clock, Druid-bezerk, Warrrior-Bezerkers rage and finnaly DK-antimagic shield. I can slow the druid and warrior but the other two examples i cannot cc to my knowledge, are there anytips you can give me against melee??? | |
| Bluetorch | Oct 29, 2009 - 4:33 PM (HideShow) |
| FULL SCALE Update posted http://www.arenajunkies.com/showthread.php?t=127913 More setups coming soon | |
| Boi | Oct 31, 2009 - 10:07 AM (HideShow) |
| improved health funnel over healthstone? | |
| Bluetorch | Oct 31, 2009 - 11:36 AM (HideShow) |
| Boi: the improved health funnels 30% less damage taken is quite important if you want to keep your pet up vs certain teams. For example vs destruction locks, without it they can global your pet. but if you cast health funnel just before chaosbolt lands it reduces the damage 30% from boft chaos bolt and Conf. whats quite alot and can save your pet. stacking battlemaster + healthstone should be enugh for so no need for the 20% extra healing for it | |
Reply: | |
You must be logged in to make a comment. Not registered? Register here. | |
World of Warcraft and Blizzard Entertainment are both trademarks or registered trademarks of Blizzard Entertainment in the United States and/or other countries. These terms and all related materials, logos, and images are copyright © Blizzard Entertainment. This site is in no way associated with or endorsed by Blizzard Entertainment.
 |