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  | Hellenkeller Kel'Thuzad US-Nightfall |
 | Shaman/Warrior | VS. |   | Priest/Warlock |
Easy combo. Focus the Priest and you will win (Assuming the Warrior has great gear.) Stack Sunder at the start, Purge Pain Suppression. The Shaman needs to LOS the lock's mana drain and the Priest won't be mana burning with a warrior on him full time.
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 Nennx | Mar 23, 2008 - 7:21 PM (HideShow) |
| So when the lock is spamming dps on the warrior with CoT and random fears on the shaman whilst killing tremor totem, how does your strat work again? | |
 Apocalyptica | Mar 26, 2008 - 3:41 AM (HideShow) |
| Easy, shaman should be earthshocking lock fears, you don't really need to shock the priest if your warrior is dishing it out and throwing a pummel and intercept when he should be. | |
| Nennx | Mar 26, 2008 - 9:35 PM (HideShow) |
| earthshocking fears still won't allow you to get a heal off if he fears you after his interrupt is off | |
 Sepsis | Mar 28, 2008 - 1:27 PM (HideShow) |
| Purge Pain Suppression?! -_- | |
| Apocalyptica | Mar 31, 2008 - 12:57 AM (HideShow) |
| Well you definitely should not be out in the open having to shock EVERY SINGLE FEAR, just when he is in LoS, usually my shaman just LoSes most casters. | |
| Shaddar | Apr 8, 2008 - 5:17 AM (HideShow) |
| rofl that is the stupidest thing i ever heard what are you gona do when priest starts dpsing Smite/pumle mind blast SWD PE smite smite + locks dps + dots eating you all i can do is prevent one casting from same school of magic priests is can use holy and shadow i can also prevent him from screaming my shaman if he is gona move away from the priest though but still proo lock will Fake fear so shammy would miss ES and still 3 second fear is enough time to kill the warrior + get feard again its just imposible if lock and priest know what to do ... | |
| Facerolled | Apr 11, 2008 - 8:15 PM (HideShow) |
| Priest/Lock can't lose to shaman/warrior unless they're total mongoloids. This strat is dumb and doesn't work if the priest is even remotely competent. He could go defensive and STILL WIN this fucking fight because of tongues+fear. Offensive priests just make shaman/warrior lose that much faster. | |
| Inimitable | Apr 14, 2008 - 11:42 AM (HideShow) |
| One good counter spell and your warrior's dead :/ | |
| Treb | Apr 16, 2008 - 3:29 AM (HideShow) |
| Has anyone tried throwing the Warrior on the lock? would it even really make a difference? We haven't been seeing this team often enough to try out a lot of strategies. | |
| Destrelle | Apr 16, 2008 - 4:14 PM (HideShow) |
| Always be on the priest, keep tremor/grounding/healing stream down, los los los, purge priest, you will win. Now Shadow priest/Warlock combo that is good...is beyond me. I try to tremor, grounding, my warrior is geared, and he gets downed if they hit me with a deathcoil and he's at 75% | |
| Golgotha | Apr 16, 2008 - 9:56 PM (HideShow) |
| treb - we always go for the lock, i prefer it because i can actually keep up with healing. with a warlock freely shadowbolting or spamming searing pain, it's much harder to heal with tongues on me and being feared for a few seconds occasionally. | |
| Dianeticz | Apr 18, 2008 - 5:57 PM (HideShow) |
| Lol @ this strat, any priest/lock team that is going to try and manadrain the shaman should just delete their team right now. The only way you will win is by nuking lock, purge felarmor, and dont be stupid with your groundings, look for when his pets CS cooldown is up, if you grounding a CS its a long time for added dps with no stopping your heals. Shock the priest/intercept to get you ahead in the healing game, keep Tremor down. If you can catch the CS with grounding and the lock is @ say 50%, bloodlust + spam heal because thats probably all the time you will have to top off your war, since you will have CoT anyway this way bloodlust makes it easyer + war DPS, untill you get deathcoil -> feared, without DR's unless tremor actually worked well for you and you havent trinketed yet. A good priest/lock vs shaman/war could take a while, if the shaman war play extremely defensive and basically Interv -> shaman whenever the war hits 60% and runs around the pillar with his shaman. This will still probably not work since the priest will just drink while the lock spam dots your war and will wait for your stopcast to fear. But to basically sum it up, what is currently up is just retarded. | |
| Carrane | Apr 20, 2008 - 10:17 PM (HideShow) |
| WTB real strat | |
| Blanik | Apr 22, 2008 - 1:29 AM (HideShow) |
| How is the shaman supposed to be purging with the warlock and priest nuking the warrior and having to deal with spell lock/priest fear/warlock fear/curse of tongues? | |
| Aeroh | Apr 22, 2008 - 10:09 PM (HideShow) |
| Terrible Strat. Priets/lock is played right is probably the hardest combo for shaman/war. As the lock can completely lock the shaman with cot/pet pushback/spell lock/fear. You can get really close to killing the preist, but the sham or war will almost always die, and the one who lives will have 20-30% health, if that. | |
| Golgotha | Apr 22, 2008 - 11:36 PM (HideShow) |
| i wouldnt go as far as "the hardest", but definitely the hardest healer comp by far | |
 Glyptíc | Apr 25, 2008 - 9:07 AM (HideShow) |
| I agree Golgotha, This one is one of the harder combos. | |
| Neokrebs | Apr 25, 2008 - 10:20 PM (HideShow) |
| it can either be an insane dps fight, or they cc you and burn you and your dumbfounded | |
| Carrane | Apr 26, 2008 - 3:18 PM (HideShow) |
| I asked for another strat to be written up but no one replied or anything. =-( | |
| Arami | Apr 30, 2008 - 3:13 PM (HideShow) |
| I demand another strategy. | |
| Apocalyptica | May 1, 2008 - 4:32 AM (HideShow) |
| Ok, are you guys talking disc priest/lock or spriest/lock? Huge Difference. ...because im sorry, but if you as a shaman/warrior team lose to ANY makeup with a disc priest in it, you're HUGE noobs... i rape this combo... granted i only 2v2 around the 1800-1900 bracket when I'm on my actual team because my shammie partner is a lagging noob and will admit it but meh. Now spriest/lock can be very challenging though with all the burst/silence/fear/spell lock etc, i do want to see a good strategy for that combo, because i can only beat it 50% of the time by getting a lucky crit off or something. | |
| Apocalyptica | May 1, 2008 - 4:42 AM (HideShow) |
| But yeah about the strategy posted, it is pretty much 100% dead on about what to do vs DISC PRIEST(not shadow)/Lock, assuming you know how to play your classes, shaman has to be able to take care of himself and throw a heal on the warrior once in awhile while the warrior does his thing on the priest. Sunder Hammy MS WW, either let him mindcontrol you if he tries, and intercept back to him after the few seconds it actually lasts, or run away and intercept it, i save the pummel for the attempt to heal, he won't be smiting or mb when you have 5x sunder and are bashing his face in. Bring the felhunter to the warrior while hes on the disc priest, that way he can just cleave/WW/SS it or w/e his rage bar permits at the time while still burning the priest, the pet will die fast, if he summons another... do it again, unless its a voidwalker, that will just feed your shield. I usually don't even have to kill the pet for this makeup cause i go for the priest but just incase you have problems. Also, seriously... if 2v2 is your thing, go maces lol, makes this whole thing a lot easier, WTB pwnherald. | |
 Softcore | May 1, 2008 - 7:57 PM (HideShow) |
| Warlock + Priest farm these. <3 em | |
| Allenyo | May 3, 2008 - 3:49 PM (HideShow) |
| warlock priests do farm this setup as i play it at the high 2270+ ratings. , nerf DoTS IMO! :[ | |
 Guntt | May 3, 2008 - 6:26 PM (HideShow) |
| so when the priest and warlock both run nonstop towards your shaman, knocking out totems and spamming damage on the warrior, what exactly do I do? | |
| Neokrebs | May 4, 2008 - 6:42 PM (HideShow) |
| ^^ fear and kill tremor, they have so many silences etc and CoT | |
 Smily | May 7, 2008 - 12:12 AM (HideShow) |
| The only real strat that i have come across, sadly, is to zerg the priest. If you happen to get on the lock, you only stop fears by him, which you could stop in the first place by LoS and shocks. Other than that, he will mitigate damage far better than the priest would have not to mention if you are on the lock you have to constantly keep moving so as not to let the priest get his fear off on you. If you stay on the lock, you let the priest run free to mana burn you all he wants, and fear if he an get close. In my opinion that is a bad strategy, leaving a priest open is never a smart idea. I much prefer puring the priest clean of everything, and stick the warrior on him, lust as soon as you get him clean, or a little into the Pain Suppression. You must lust early because the lock will be spamming damage on your warrior, and with CoT on you you have to pickup the healing. The priest wont get anywhere near you with the warrior on him, so you can feel free to LoS the lock but make sure not to LoS your warrior, if you do that then you will fall behind, and force you to be in the open more than you need to be. Purge the priest when you can, but priority is to keep your warrior as close to topped off as possible, grounding and tremor are godsends, make sure to spam tremor if the lock is having his pet kill the totem. The one thing i have yet to try due to a lack of Priest/Lock top end of our battlegroup is to sit on the lock to start, gain rage, pop lust, switch to pet, and burn it down, forcing the priest to either stop chasing you to heal it, or let it die. If it dies, and MAKE SURE THE LOCK IS CLEAN. If you can get the Fel Dom off, you will win, if not, see the next pet. If the pet happens to be a felhunter, do the same thing, except with a little less burst, and hopefully slightly more control of the priest due to the simple fact that if this pet dies his lock will die. All the while i assume that the priest is chasing me trying to fear/burn me, while i kite purge the lock of everything, and hopefully | |
| Calus | May 14, 2008 - 6:36 PM (HideShow) |
| VS Dpriest / Lock Honestly burning down the priest while the warlock gets to nuke is probably not going to happen simply due to pain suppression. Honestly in this combo I like to go for the lock and try my best to heal through the damage. Creating a gap for the priest to have to heal through helps, the priest needs to stay slowed, rank 1 frost shock can be effective sometimes if it resists dispel. Against warlocks I like to use healing stream totem as a sort of DoT mitigation. Try to make sure to purge PoM. Watch the priests mana, if it gets pretty low it might be good to switch to him. Mana burns are going to tip the match to their favor, so avoid them if at all possible. Also make sure to interupt Mind Control. VS Spriest / Lock Positioning is critical. The priest is squishier than the warlock and possibly burstier. It is extremely important that you don't let them DoT both of you. Again I like to use healing stream totem. Your warrior needs to bottle up quick as a blackout proc in zerker stance is fatal. | |
| Carrane | May 15, 2008 - 5:57 PM (HideShow) |
| I really don't think you're fighting good disc priest/locks | |
| Mickster | May 17, 2008 - 4:14 AM (HideShow) |
| i have never lost to any shaman\warrior as priest lock | |
| Shammerz | May 19, 2008 - 10:05 PM (HideShow) |
| From what I've played vs this combo (only about 2050-2150), we've always had to zerg the priest. When my warrior is on the lock he can still output half decent dps, and the priest can do likewise. Just stack 5 sunders on the priest, button mash purge until your key breaks, bloodlust after pain suppression, and you will do well for the most part. It can be tricky to avoid all the lock fears and such, but shock/ground when possible. We have been having about an 8/10 win ratio vs. this team. | |
| Stonebull | May 24, 2008 - 1:21 PM (HideShow) |
| 'Purge Pain Suppression.' what?... | |
| Buttnugget | Jun 3, 2008 - 11:13 PM (HideShow) |
| Ugh. Hamstring the priest so that the shaman might be able to avoid psychiatric evaluation, kill the felhunter. The chances of this failing is about 99% and you'll end up sucking their dicks. | |
| Suza | Jun 7, 2008 - 10:10 AM (HideShow) |
| If u are wining on this strat i have n/c for you.That combo is one of the hardest for shaman/warr,almost as hard as mage/rogue.If u begin fight with full buffs on lock/priest u are going to lose for sure,u wont be able to heal up your warr with so much CC and cot.The strat it gives me chance against this combo is:On the start leave your warrior behind,go forward try to purge lock and priest,be sure u have tremor behid you,get a bit back,heal your self and repeat,if u are forced to use NS to save yourself,do it,battlemaster trinket also,your warr should not have any dots on him untill priest and lock are both purged,than u begin fight,u will se more succes i can assure you.If they rush you try to purge as much as possible untill they start nuking your warr,cuz later u wont have time for purge,u will be focues on healing your warr and avoiding fears.The main target should be priest,but all depens on situation. | |
 Sciurus | Jun 8, 2008 - 5:45 AM (HideShow) |
| Well, atleast when i played warlock disc priest (now lock sp) i found some tips for you... - If they nuke warrior, stay behind something, and keep atleast +80% on warrior and on you! (atleast if sp) - Stick on warlock, hammersrting, do as much dmg as possible - If disc priest, kill warlock pet, and stay on warlock, if he summons void, shaman can llightning bolt it with about 4 of them... (when you have time for it) | |
| Styx | Jun 13, 2008 - 3:53 AM (HideShow) |
| I tend to agree with Shammerz strat. Versus a good Disc/Lock team, spam purge zerging the priest is all that tended to work in my own experience. Oh but if the Priest has rocket boots...heh. | |
| Guntt | Jun 16, 2008 - 5:00 AM (HideShow) |
| i find on-the-fly pressure is pretty good here. it really depends what they are up too. sit on the priest if he's trying to mana burn. switch to the lock if hes trying to fear. switch to the pet if its in a good spot. felhound dies quick without a shield up so just full rage bar intercept it behind a pole and it should die. this is definatly one comp i find easier with swords than maces. the added DPS forcing the priest to spam shield off of CD and actually use heals reduces their effectiveness a lot. you basically need to be more offensive than them and force them on their heels. priests go oom really fast when they have to heal and spam instants. don't let him drink if he goes oom. also watch the locks mana and make sure he has MS up if he starts life tapping. even if you dont switch to him for damage, maintain a mortal strike if hes below 30% mana to drain the priests mana when he life taps. | |
| Pandra | Jun 17, 2008 - 2:13 AM (HideShow) |
| this will be doable when shamans can despell curses. | |
 Silme | Jun 18, 2008 - 2:46 AM (HideShow) |
| This comp is 100% dependent upon pressure. Whoever hits hardest first is going to win. Lets face it, a warrior with the correct cool downs can 2 round a disc priest fairly reasonably with shaman support, though its not likely. Some good things have been said here, and I would like to paint a picture of a good way to start the match, since it will set the tone for the next 2 minutes. -Your shaman needs to have his totems laid down relatively close to where you are going to engage. For example, if the match takes place on ruins and the lock/priest team is hiding inside the little chamber, totems need to be laid down out of sight, but close enough so that you are in range of them. -Any buffs that you can pre-purge are HUGE. Got the priest purged down before the warrior gets into combat? yeah, you just dumped 2.5-3.5k hp off that priest that the warrior does not have to eat through after his charge. -Hit hard, and make sure you hit first. Look at two different scenarios. 1) the warrior has to walk in because he was denied the charge, and has to hit the priest with a shield up. Your at a huge disadvantage here, and if the priest is speced into reflective shield, your chances of winning are very low. The priest will dot your warrior up, and the first thing on his mind is going to be dumping a mind blast into him, because the warrior has to stand there with no rage slowly chewing through the shield. 2) The warrior charges in, the priest has no shield, and no inner fire. The warrior is up on rage, and the first thing on the priest's mind is going to be making sure that his life stays up. From here, as Guntt said, is kindof situational based upon what they are doing. Got a good pain train going on the priest while the lock tries to dps you down and the priest heals? go for the priest. Is the lock trying to fear spam? intercept him and keep fears off your shaman. Same goes for the pet. If you think you can catch a felhunter behind a pole, just drop it. Once a voidwalker comes out, the p | |
 Treinjo | Jul 8, 2008 - 1:17 AM (HideShow) |
| I played against my first lock/priest combo today. Took out the Felhunter real quick, Fel Domination didnt get purged in time so killed 2nd Felhunter priest was trying to mana burn and fear my shaman. Grounding totem came out when we saw priest rush towards shaman, bursted lock, popped bloodlust, trinket, Death Wish gg. I still play pretty low rated out of fairness, but I cant see either side calling this an easy matchup if everyone knows what they are doing. | |
 Degeis | Jul 10, 2008 - 6:03 AM (HideShow) |
| well that sounds like it can work if the lock is stupid.. iv came up with that setup shet loads of times. But instead of a discpriest its shadow, i get burned quick my shaman sets down totems and purges/earthshock the fears when he can, won agints that setup like 2-6 once the shaman is feard i get low cuz there both burning me my sham uses his trink its either a death coil/Silence from the priest gg for the warrior. we tried so many strats and we came up with one that may win u 60% over them. Warrior goes on the lock the whole time, wenever u see fears pop pummel it and always try to intercpt the lock wenever its up making him uncapable of doing much anything put instant dots ur shaman shud try to los the priest as much as possible/purging priest buffs etc.. and earthshocking his mana burn if needed, shaman of course set up grounding totem wen he can for fears. but thats basicly it just stay on the lock and interupt, Inorder to win agints that setup u must follow what i xplained and dont forget once they pop out. immediantly charge and kill the lock as fast as possible at all cost with everything battleshout/deathwish strengh totem WF / heroism thats basicly the only way to win shaman/warrior wont last agints that setup for to long it must be done fast asap.. hope you guys try it out this setup always seems to get us all the time but just hope it works out for you guys, and tell me how things turned out. | |
 Pirated | Jul 13, 2008 - 12:17 PM (HideShow) |
| On my shaman, I tried going on the lock a game and got wrecked With tongues up, there was no way I could keep my warrior and myself alive with full DOTs on both...the priest also spent most of the fight DPSing, there was just no way my warrior could stay up We were able to win a few by zerging the priest though...got all his buffs off, popped bloodlust with 5 sunders and just purge spammed I honestly think that IS the best strat, just because the warlock is totally unable to peel your warrior (outside of deathcoil), and dropping constant tremors makes the shaman hard to peel as well | |
| Gcwarrior | Jul 27, 2008 - 2:25 AM (HideShow) |
| This team and mage/rogue are my two major cock block counters, if we get lucky we can BARELY kill the priest without me dieing from their burst, theres just way to much CC and instant cast damage going out for me to reliably kill the priest with them having no chance of locking my shaman down while I die very fast. | |
 Golijov | Aug 17, 2008 - 12:44 PM (HideShow) |
| Reflective shield makes this comp -nearly- impossible to beat unless the priest is in shitty gear. The DoTs + shield allow for the priest to just kite your warrior down to low health while the shaman is CC'd/tongues'd. As long as they keep the priest out of LoS of the shaman it's GG. With fel armor not being purgeable anymore, sitting on the lock isn't really an option either. | |
| Jedimike | Aug 22, 2008 - 10:46 PM (HideShow) |
| There is a major difference between a good priest/lock team and a poor priest/lock team. The good teams will both be DPSing your warrior while CoT and the pet is on your shaman. A good warlock will not have the pet on auto silence and will wait until the shaman must heal. We usually murder this team because most of them clearly don't know what they are doing. The ones that do make it extremely difficult. I think the best advice was above. LOS, try to avoid dots on the shaman, and purge the priest clean while the warrior kills him. Keep the priest purged. ALWAYS have tremor totem dropped and make sure you constantly redropped when the good warlock totem stomps it. This is a very difficult match up when they play properly. Fairly easy when they don't. | |
 Lectro | Aug 29, 2008 - 3:35 PM (HideShow) |
| This is a difficult combination. I prefer making recommendations by maps since a different map has a different strategy in my experience. For Blades Edge, this team I have found success in meeting them in the first 1/2 of the bridge. Set up totems underneath at start in ghost wolf and then ride up to your position on the bridge. The priest/warlock will usually wait on opposite side before charging. Once they start to advance try to have your warrior meet them when they are closer than 1/2 the bridge. The totems that should be kept up are grounding/tremor/mana/ (underneath) and a fire totem up top if possible. This match tends to have the most success if the warrior stays on the warlock from my experience because once you have a decent +heals you can keep a warrior up if you don't get cc'd for more than 10-15 seconds. A deathcoil is not too bad but a deathcoil chain fear can end you. Most good teams will try to separate the warrior from the shaman, the warrior has to be very careful not to get too far down the other side of the bridge. Charging back to the shama can be a good strategy but is also difficult. Generally, the warriors job is to do a lot of dmg to the warlock and prevent a lot of CC. The shaman will be purging the lock, and healing the warrior with the Priest as his focus target. Throw down as many grounding totems during the match as possible. Use NS for a CC chain don't be afraid to use early. Use heroism after first CC usually to get best effect. When grounding totem isn't down make sure to swap to WF of course. And most importantly stay on top of your tremor totem. Never assume the tremor totem is down enough or in distance to save you. All these things can help win this team but the shaman and warrior have to play well together and the warrior should try to stay within healing distance by not going beyond 1/2 of bridge or coming back. This is easiest way for shaman to LOS other players with poles, otherwise it can get messy in the middle. Just some tips so far from me experince. More to come. | |
| Lectro | Aug 29, 2008 - 3:37 PM (HideShow) |
| And next time I'll spell check :) | |
| Oulixeus | Sep 8, 2008 - 5:00 AM (HideShow) |
| Only thing i dont like about this team is how the seperate me from my shammy. THey have dots going but ive become useless when i have to run back. I guess its gonna be a longer game than thought possible and lots of running away. Only thing i worry when i run away is the priest drinking. | |
| Animefreak | Sep 10, 2008 - 3:48 AM (HideShow) |
| Another hard combo to meat.. havnt found any easy ways to kill this yet.. shamans are just to damn easy to cc :) we have to deal with it | |
| Xelha | Sep 10, 2008 - 4:29 AM (HideShow) |
| Smiley's strategy is by far the best way to do this. Just stay at absolutely maximum range from both the priest and warlock and ground spell locks! It's easy to do so by staying at maximum range from your warrior so a dot isn't grounded and away from the priest so he cant SWP it away too! That being said spamming purge like a maniac is the way to go, you absolutely cannot win a mana war :) | |
| Praesto | Sep 26, 2008 - 3:51 PM (HideShow) |
| I have HUGE experience with Priest/Warlock. Basically Warrior get away from PRIEST! whole fight since he is the one doing Mind blast + death dmg. The key is to play VERY DEF until your shaman is immune to fear, when he is, this is the time to pop Hero/BL and zerg priest or felhunter. | |
| Sippin | Oct 13, 2008 - 10:40 AM (HideShow) |
| Even more impossible when they play "Gib warrior, endless silence" setup as spriest ua lock. | |
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