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  | Limewire Cho'gall US-Rampage |
 | Shaman/Warrior | VS. |   | Priest/Rogue |
This should be an easy match as Shaman/Warrior counters Priest/Rogue extremely well.
Have your Warrior on the Discipline Priest and have your Shaman spam Purge on the Priest. Coordinate with the Warrior on interrupts. Have your Warrior get the first interrupt and the Shaman get the second. Make sure your Shaman stays away from the Priest so he doesn't get Feared.
Bloodlust when the Disc Priest is at about 50% health. You want your Shaman to do very little healing at the beginning because a Purge spamming Shaman/Warrior on a Disc Priest is going to destroy him quickly even with a Rogue on either your Shaman or Warrior. The only healing you might want to do is keep Earth Shield on whoever they are focusing. Sure, they might dispel it, but it has a 30% to resist, and it only costs 450 Mana.
Also, if your Shaman is going to cast with a Rogue on him make sure he jukes the Kick.
Have your Warrior on the Discipline Priest and have your Shaman spam Purge on the Priest. Coordinate with the Warrior on interrupts. Have your Warrior get the first interrupt and the Shaman get the second. Make sure your Shaman stays away from the Priest so he doesn't get Feared.
Bloodlust when the Disc Priest is at about 50% health. You want your Shaman to do very little healing at the beginning because a Purge spamming Shaman/Warrior on a Disc Priest is going to destroy him quickly even with a Rogue on either your Shaman or Warrior. The only healing you might want to do is keep Earth Shield on whoever they are focusing. Sure, they might dispel it, but it has a 30% to resist, and it only costs 450 Mana.
Also, if your Shaman is going to cast with a Rogue on him make sure he jukes the Kick.
Comments: | |
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 Heiroshi | Apr 10, 2008 - 6:17 PM (HideShow) |
| hate shaman purge =(( | |
 Pedocows | Apr 10, 2008 - 6:29 PM (HideShow) |
| Why would the warrior get the first interrupt? Pummel ends. Earthshock. Earthshock ends. Pummel CD is still up. Priest heals. | |
| Limewire | Apr 10, 2008 - 7:13 PM (HideShow) |
| Because, you're going to be Purge spamming like mad. | |
 Chingwang | Apr 10, 2008 - 7:49 PM (HideShow) |
| ...I dunno. What happens if the Priest drags your Warrior away from Winfury totem, or if the Rogue shivs crippling on the Warr to allow his Priest to get away. A Muti Rogue on a Warrior makes it pretty tough to get Crippling/Wound off. I'm not saying it's easy for Priest/Rogue to win, but I certainly don't think that "Shaman/Warrior counters Priest/Rogue extremely well." | |
 Disaster | Apr 10, 2008 - 10:27 PM (HideShow) |
| its definitely not an easy fight when they play us :) i win 80% of shaman warrior fights with a mutilate rogue. the rogue stays on the warrior and i deadzone/los the warrior easily. dispel bloodlust and we make a concerted effort not to let warrior get on me as much as possible. this means saving KS for intercepts, etc. if warrior switches to rogue its GG, b/c we easily win on mana. the rogue is doing so much damage to the warrior that the shaman goes oom fast. if the warrior wants to live he puts on a shield and its gg from there. my suggestion against a GOOD priest rogue is to play extremely agressively on either the priest or the rogue by spamming dps (from shaman pov). thats the only way they can reliably have a chance of beating us :/ p.s. gl doing tr with aesa, he lives a few streets away from me irl. | |
| Xutta | Apr 11, 2008 - 4:24 AM (HideShow) |
| We usually win 80% of shaman warrior fights aswell. And we're shadowstep rogue + disc priest (With mind flay and improved fear) Because of our priest is very offensive. Taking distance to the shaman, by sending the rogue on the shaman, and then our priest is killing the warrior in the other end. Ending up with both on 40%, and the shaman usually instant heals himselfe. Then either change to the warrior or continue killing both of them. Actually it's a pretty much easy fight for us. | |
 Entrerri | Apr 11, 2008 - 12:18 PM (HideShow) |
| gratz on having no good shaman warriors on your BG. anybody can beat newbs 80% of the time. they really do counter priest rogue extremely well. | |
| Pandra | Apr 11, 2008 - 2:27 PM (HideShow) |
| limewire is 15 | |
| Disaster | Apr 11, 2008 - 5:29 PM (HideShow) |
| maybe you're just bad entrerri | |
 Kluian | Apr 11, 2008 - 8:34 PM (HideShow) |
| Maybe limewire is top spot in his BG with this comp and he probably knows what hes talking about. Someone so extensively qualified probably wouldn't make such bold statements as "shaman war counters priest rogue extremely well" if it wasnt the truth. | |
| Entrerri | Apr 12, 2008 - 2:08 AM (HideShow) |
| looks like my 2v2 rating is 200 above yours disaster | |
 Sector | Apr 12, 2008 - 9:37 AM (HideShow) |
| So assuming Priest is deadzoning War and manages to keep him off the majority of the time; Dispel rogue and have Warrior dig in with R1 WF totem while focusing priest with ES? | |
| Inactive | Apr 12, 2008 - 12:04 PM (HideShow) |
| I dunno I just usually get on the rogue and just outlast. | |
 Fuuga | Apr 12, 2008 - 12:05 PM (HideShow) |
| I'm sure you could turn onto the the rogue for a bit until intercept comes back up, or simply cleanse crip off your war. | |
 Konwayz | Apr 12, 2008 - 2:06 PM (HideShow) |
| This strategy is pathetic, only suitable for the 1400 - 1700 range. Crippling poison + stuns means the priest will ALWAYS get away from the warrior and out of LoS to heal unless you're EXTREMELY lucky with dispelling poisons (lol 40% resist so good luck). With this strat you're likely to get mana burned since there will inevitably be very little pressure on the priest. Your warrior will be walking around like a moron trying to get to the priest but eventually hamstring will wear off and he'll just the crippled warr in circles around a pole... mutilate rogues do insane dmg and will tear a warrior in zerk stance to shreds, so even if you don't get mana burned you'll STILL lose the mana warr spam healing your partner. The fact that crippling poison's slow effect is stronger than hamstring's makes absolutely no sense, but it's enough to completely ruin this strategy and I doubt Blizz is going to change it any time soon. | |
| Limewire | Apr 12, 2008 - 7:04 PM (HideShow) |
| Well, it looks like I'll have to release a video of shaman/warrior vs priest/rogue since most of you guys are either retarded shamans or a priest/rogue thats never fought a good shaman/warrior. @Xutta you guys are fighting absolutely downs shaman/warrior teams. @Konway Suitable for the 1400-1700 ratings? Okay, that's why we fought the top priest/rogue team on BG9 on the TTR and won 2-0 against them. If your warrior is running around in circles trying to chase the priest, he's clearly retarded. If the priest is getting off Mana Burns you need to be interrupting them. You should never even get Mana Burned once with all the interrupts shaman/warrior has. | |
| Shammerz | Apr 13, 2008 - 1:37 PM (HideShow) |
| Yeah, I'm going to have to agree with Limewire. Every priest team we've ever fought, we've played really offensively on the priest. If he manages to pillar hump the warrior, put pressure on the rogue to bring him back out, then resume offensive purging / dps on the priest, and it's pretty hard to lose this game. Also, some of the high PR teams have the rogue as mutilate, in which case it's much easier to focus the rogue, without his cheat death bs. | |
| Loth | Apr 13, 2008 - 3:24 PM (HideShow) |
| Hi, i just want to ask Limewire when muti rogue starts on war and that means he will have crippling 99% of the time how you focus on the priest. Even if the war passes a hamstring its 70%slow>50% so priest goes away of melee range easily and then after some time war dies. Whats the strategy, i mean you lure priest close to war by positioning, spam purge on rogue so war takes him out, whats the trick. Thx in advance. Ps I know im not geared but we reached 1900 fair and square, whenever rogue goes for shammy we win, if they go for me we lose. | |
| Konwayz | Apr 13, 2008 - 6:10 PM (HideShow) |
| In your strat you say to stick to the priest, but there's no way that's possible if the rogue is on your warrior. He'll have crippling poison on him 100% of the time AND be getting stunned constantly... crippling poison alone is enough for the priest to get away since it's stronger than hamstring, the stuns are just icing on the cake - you'll have no choice but to get on the rogue unless they're retarded and the rogue is on the sham. | |
| Thoren | Apr 13, 2008 - 8:15 PM (HideShow) |
| My tactic for priest/rogues is like this. I stay on the rogue all the time, I do very high damage with windfury and sword specc so the priest cant mana burn very much. So I stay on the rogue, after a while priest goes oom and I can easily get the rogue down. Only meet sub rogues so far, can be hard if they cc my shaman and both nuke me. I havent meet any mutilate rogues yet, but can imagine that they are even easier to kill. | |
| Limewire | Apr 13, 2008 - 8:23 PM (HideShow) |
| This isn't rocket science Konwayz. If the priest LoS your warrior. You hit the rogue, when the priest comes back in LoS to heal the rogue, you Intercept to the priest. Purge spam him, trinket the Kidney Shot, Bloodlust when he gets low, and he is dead. @Loth What? Hamstring is 50% slow, Crippling Poison is 50% slow. | |
| Leonx | Apr 13, 2008 - 9:13 PM (HideShow) |
| Crippling is 70% limewire.. just FYI | |
| Konwayz | Apr 13, 2008 - 9:51 PM (HideShow) |
| Crippling poison II = 70% slow Hamstring = 50% slow I've never played against a good priest / rogue team where the rogue allowed us to kill his priest. Maybe the rogues on your BG should learn rank II crippling poison... | |
| Disaster | Apr 14, 2008 - 12:12 AM (HideShow) |
| mut rogues are actually harder to kill because quick recovery makes it very easy to heal. we always win shaman warrior fights on mana with a mutilate rogue. | |
| Velden | Apr 14, 2008 - 12:40 AM (HideShow) |
| to be honest i think limewire has the most effective strat BUT it has to be executed well by skilled players or it wont work most of the pressure is on the shaman (by pressure i mean to not fuck up) the shaman has to keep shield and hots purged forcing the priest to cast<<< CAST heals obviously a priest wont be getting away regardless of how slow the warrior is moving when the priest is just standing there trying to bring the HP of himself/rogue back up with flash heals limewire clearly says get on priest and purge FAST where warrior interrupts first heal to allow for more purging strats are usually short n to the point to avoid huge wall of text crits some stuff is left out if u cant pick it up on ur own ask questions limewire has played some of the best people in the game and obviously knows what hes doing....if his strat doesnt make sense ask questions dont be a prick it makes you look stupid | |
| Entrerri | Apr 14, 2008 - 4:17 AM (HideShow) |
| also a strat that works. get on the rogue for some rage. intercept the priest, trinket rogue's ks, ms windfury auto attack windfury mace stun ms gg w/ some purges on the priest's instants. 8600 dmg in 4 seconds, all of which my priest was stunned. | |
 Inimitable | Apr 14, 2008 - 11:51 AM (HideShow) |
| I'd rather play against a mutilate rogue as he won't have prep and will take some massive hits. | |
 Earrl | Apr 14, 2008 - 12:52 PM (HideShow) |
| I think the key is not playing with your hands on your "unit"...lol. A GOOD Shaman/Warrior team will definitely take a dump on Priest/Rogue using the strat that Limewire suggested. There isn't a lot you can do as a Priest if they are going to drag you out just to get back on you unfortunately. If you make it a 1v1 game, you will likely lose since Shaman have better mitigation than Priests do against Warriors. | |
| Limewire | Apr 14, 2008 - 2:44 PM (HideShow) |
| Konwayz, I've fought the top priest/rogue teams on BG9 at the TR, and my BG as well. This comp is extremely easy to beat, you just have to be aggressive on the priest. Also, lulz my bad on the Crippling Poison. I clearly don't look at the tool tip. | |
| Limewire | Apr 14, 2008 - 2:51 PM (HideShow) |
| Also, Konwayz one of the reasons you might be losing is because your spec is really bad. Shield Spec blows, your not hit capped, no Natures Guardian, no Healing Grace. So, basically your Purges,ES,CL's,LB's get resisted often. You're more likely to die with Nature's Guardian. Your Bloodlust/Earth Shield will get dispelled instantly. And lastly heal/int gems are terrible. You're obviously going to get more mana from heal/mp5 gems in a 1-2 minute fight than all those heal/int gems. | |
| Konwayz | Apr 14, 2008 - 4:02 PM (HideShow) |
| 5% more mana and 5% block rating are both awful talents, but blocking does prevent crits from abilities in PvP even though it won't prevent white attacks from being crits, not to mention every block negates 200 damage (more if I had the S3 shield). Healing Grace and Nature's Guardian are both utterly useless talents and I would never give up Healing Way or Mana Tide for that crap. 30% resist means that your bloodlust and earth shield will probably be dispelled on the first try anyway, and nature's guardian is only useful against SL warlocks who can't burst you down from 30% easily and have a pet attacking you. Also, I have 3 healing/int gems and you have 1... 4 more mp5 oh noes, then again I still have restorative totems and mana tide -_- | |
| Limewire | Apr 14, 2008 - 4:43 PM (HideShow) |
| Wow, this is really quite sad. You cannot block a full attack (Only a minimum of 100damage),and you cannot block while casting, yeah it's useless bro :). Nature's Guardian only useful for SL warlocks? You've got to be kidding me, how about all classes? You call getting 5 resists on a Bloodlust useless? Yeah, Healing Grace is pretty amazing. Having Healing Grace means if the enemy gets a resist on your BL or ES he's going to have to spend another GCD & more mana. Any good team will kill Mana Tide fast, the most tics it will get off will be atleast 0-1, maybe 2 if you're lucky. The huge animation ''Kill me!" basically blows it. | |
| Konwayz | Apr 14, 2008 - 5:20 PM (HideShow) |
| Cannot block a full attack? Wtf are you even attempting to say? I'm not sure if anyone here should listen to advice from someone who didn't even know crippling poison is a much stronger snare than hamstring and can't figure out how to drop mana tide where it won't be destroyed. 30% dispel resist is a joke and a complete waste of 3 talent points since we only have 1 spell worth protecting, and Nature's Guardian? Yay a 500 heal if you have MS on you... If I'm ever in a position where I need to rely on that chances are I'm OOM and it's only delaying the inevitable. | |
| Limewire | Apr 14, 2008 - 6:06 PM (HideShow) |
| You cannot block a full attack. What do you not understand about that? (Eviscerate hits you for 900) (You block 50). I'm not sure if anyone should listen to someone that can't even break 1900's. And thinks priest/rogue counters warrior/shaman. | |
 Cheat | Apr 14, 2008 - 7:25 PM (HideShow) |
| you can block full attacks as long as they're small. blocking gouge for example is perfectly possible. or kick. or hamstring. i for one have shield spec because blocking hamstring is _awesome_. | |
| Limewire | Apr 14, 2008 - 8:16 PM (HideShow) |
| Right, but you cannot block kick while casting, Hamstring is kind of useless when its only a 5 second duration, Gouge is 45 energy. So, basically the only time a rogue might Gouge you is when you're trying to get emergency heals on one of your partners. Thus, you casting. And you can't block while casting. | |
| Konwayz | Apr 14, 2008 - 11:15 PM (HideShow) |
| No one here said you can block full attacks that surpass your block value, not really sure who you're even trying to argue with or what you may possibly be smoking. An ability that is blocked cannot crit though, you should know that... I'll take 200 dmg blocked and the chance to nullify some crits over a static 450 mana any day of the week. | |
| Nerflol | Apr 15, 2008 - 1:22 AM (HideShow) |
| i wouldn't go so far as to say blocking hamstring is useless. it's still a global cooldown, and as far as getting away goes, it's actually one of the better things that can happen. much, much better than the extra mana at least. my shaman has about 8k mana (terrible gear, don't start) so the extra mana i'd get is like enough for one purge. | |
  Puresinette | Apr 15, 2008 - 9:15 AM (HideShow) |
| ohhh limewireee | |
  Geeta | Apr 15, 2008 - 12:33 PM (HideShow) |
| Knowayz please. Limewire is to you what you are to a 1500 shaman. It is that simple. | |
| Shammerz | Apr 15, 2008 - 8:16 PM (HideShow) |
| Wow.... so much drama for such an obvious win for warrior/shaman... I can only recall losing to this team once when still having s2 and a bit of pve.... and it was to a 2.1k mut rogue priest team and we just made a few mistakes... I don't see how a war/sham could possibly lose to this team unless perhaps they got insanely lucky resists, and were sporting a warglaive x2 rogue. Because if you just get on the priest and play really offensively with purges.... this is like the most farmable team you will ever get. GG Konwayz | |
| Limewire | Apr 15, 2008 - 10:14 PM (HideShow) |
| Couldn't of said it better Shammerz :) | |
| Pandra | Apr 16, 2008 - 3:28 AM (HideShow) |
| <3 puresin | |
| Treb | Apr 16, 2008 - 3:33 AM (HideShow) |
| This combo is definitely one of the easiest ones for us (up there with Priest/Warrior) as long as you don't do anything stupid like get feared by Priest (as Shaman) or get Sapped. | |
| Destrelle | Apr 16, 2008 - 3:36 PM (HideShow) |
| It's practically impossible to beat a Priest/Rogue combo in the 1850+ ratings. A rogue on your warrior + priest nailing every totem you have. Warrior can't move and will only touch the priest when he pops trinket. Please tell me I am wrong. | |
| Destrelle | Apr 16, 2008 - 4:01 PM (HideShow) |
| Shammerz, explain to me how a warrior gets on a priest with cheap shot/kidney shot/crippling poison on him 95% of the time. Yes you can attempt to cleanse the poisons....and if you do, and your starts moving in on the priest it's vanish/cheap shot and you're back at square one. Oooooh earthbind the priest/frost shock the priest, cleanse and it's gone. It's not easy to beat with a rogue on your warrior. Best bet is to play offensively on the rogue imo. | |
| Destrelle | Apr 16, 2008 - 4:02 PM (HideShow) |
| Forgot to mention, yes, this team is a joke if the rogue is on the shaman. | |
| Calus | Apr 16, 2008 - 5:24 PM (HideShow) |
| I've been losing to this comp when the rogue is on me, if my warrior starts on the priest, he gets very little rage, my intentions have been to use the above strategy, but I often find that the priest is surviving alright and I am getting stunned/dispelled/mindblast/sw death. | |
| Loth | Apr 16, 2008 - 5:46 PM (HideShow) |
| Calus your warrior is geared you are also, if rogue is on you and you lose that means you didnt throw a single purge on the priest.If rogue on shammy if shammy manages to purge twice and es a heal its should be easy for you. Also if you find that combo hard try to spec 20/41 toughness is very nice for 2v2. Mana tide is destroyed by good teams anyway. | |
| Golgotha | Apr 19, 2008 - 1:54 PM (HideShow) |
| I find it easier if the rogue goes on me. Usually i don't even have to heal, a purge spammed priest is going to die to a warrior with bloodlust/deathwish/windfury than I am to a rogue. | |
| Surreall | Apr 20, 2008 - 1:29 PM (HideShow) |
| Just stopping by to lol at konway lol. | |
| Konwayz | Apr 20, 2008 - 2:18 PM (HideShow) |
| Dare ya to point out a single thing I got wrong here... unlike Limewire who didn't even know Crippling Poison is a 70% snare and still doesn't seem to understand block mechanics. Rofl | |
| Teldar | Apr 20, 2008 - 3:57 PM (HideShow) |
| konway is 12 and his warrior 42/19/0 skilled.... :P he knows what he´s talkin about ! | |
| Inimitable | Apr 21, 2008 - 3:13 AM (HideShow) |
| Harsh words, man. Harsh, harsh words. | |
| Knais | Apr 22, 2008 - 9:23 AM (HideShow) |
| Konway you dumb. That's it. Your Warrior fails. I went from 1500 to 1988 in 2s with my Shaman in 5 hours, FIRST time we ever played together. And that's in Bloodlust Battlegroup, by far the hardest of the 4 battlegroups I have chars on. Didn't matter what the Priest did, I got to him and I beat the shit out of him with my S3 Sword. We farmed that team into oblivion. | |
| Shammerz | Apr 22, 2008 - 8:51 PM (HideShow) |
| So yeah Destrelle, even if the rogue is on your warrior, you can still win. This is what happens to us most of the time. Keep in mind rogue can vanish twice, do all his bs twice. A warrior can intercept, mace stun, and rip the priest apart 100% of the match. Usually the priest survives 30secs-1min if the rogue is really helping him out. Your warrior should be stacking 5 sunders on the priest, then proceeding to rip his face off with his s3 (hopefully) weapon. Meanwhile, I have no trouble shocking/grounding the few burns the priest gets off, and we still win. I didn't notice your 2k teams btw, so I sure hope you aren't having trouble below 2k vs. priest rogues, because those teams provide me with my lulz and supply of free points. And why would I be frost shocking and earthbinding the priest? Hamstring lasts 10 secs, and I prefer tremor totem and earth shock. One other thing. Konwayz, why are you fighting over little things with Limewire? First in the bracket vs. 1032th? What can you hope to gain by making yourself look like a little qqer? Cry moar and get skills. | |
 Quantity | Apr 22, 2008 - 10:24 PM (HideShow) |
| Gonna be honest - a well played Priest/Rogue can beat a Warrior/Shaman if they try and tunnel vision the Priest too much. Obviously you want to be on the priest as much as possible, and you will have windows to kill him. If he gets away, the best thing you can do is start dps'ing the Rogue (or shield up and let your Shaman drink). Chasing a priest around pillars while cripped is a sure fire way to lose the mana war, just turn to the Rogue and mitigate some damage in battle stance until the Priest comes back into view. I'd say it's 70/30 in favor of the Warrior/Shaman. | |
| Konwayz | Apr 23, 2008 - 12:45 AM (HideShow) |
| Funny you all assume I've ever lost to this comp just because I pointed out the obvious flaws in the strat posted (helloooo, crippling + stuns > hamstring DURRRR). We've actually had some close calls when we tried to go for the priest instead of the rogue, but those were lower rated teams and the rogue never tried to peel the warrior off the priest - they'd just blow all their cooldowns to kill me ASAP. We did lose to one priest / rogue team once because it was pre-2.4 and the priest had blackout + mindflay and got lucky with stun procs. We prefer to just kill the rogue while I avoid the priest and use the heal/drink method. Sure you might as well jump on the priest when he leaves himself out in the open, but if the rogue wants to peel your warrior off he WILL be able to every time. Purge rogue, heal up warrior, pause before last heal then drink as it lands... much easier. Kite the priest, assist with DPS if you want to keep him healing instead of trying to mana burn, make sure the warrior has wf and it's usually a pretty easy game that ends when the priest runs OOM. | |
| Limewire | Apr 23, 2008 - 2:14 PM (HideShow) |
| Hmmmmmm, okay. So, basically you think its easier to kill a rogue with 30% dodge rate, Evasion,and Ghostly Strike. Going for the rogue lets the priest heal freely, Mana Burn freely, and the rogue might dodge MS. He even has two Evasions. Yep, okay I guess its better going for the rogue. | |
| Shammerz | Apr 23, 2008 - 5:07 PM (HideShow) |
| Another thing Limewire didn't mention, Konwayz, is that ALSO when you attack the rogue, the disc priest can easily throw a mindblast/sw: death for 3k damage, which usually is the extra push to assrape your warrior. So if you would like to lose to this team at higher ratings, keep on ganking that rogue. If you attack the PRIEST, he doesn't go oom, far from it usually, he just dies because of purgespam and windfury on a s3 weapon vs. cloth. | |
| Konwayz | Apr 24, 2008 - 5:07 AM (HideShow) |
| Yeah, Limewire, we definitely wanna stick to the rogue when he's got evasion up. That's the thing that makes him take more damage, right? Totally the best time to attack the rogue imo... /facepalm Shadowstep damage vs. a warrior is pretty weak and easy to heal through, although they're typically the ones who try to kill me and have their back turned to my warrior ((( NOTE FOR THE PEOPLE HERE WHO DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND CRIPPLING POISON OR BLOCK MECHANICS: dodge means nothing when you have your back turned to an opponent ))) Mutilate can take down a warrior pretty quickly but they have no prep or cheat death, so you only have to deal with evasion once. | |
| Limewire | Apr 24, 2008 - 3:08 PM (HideShow) |
| Holy shit, are you just plain retarded or are you trying to troll me? | |
| Limewire | Apr 24, 2008 - 3:11 PM (HideShow) |
| Okay, lets think about your absolutely flawless strategy for a second. If your warrior is going to be on the rogue, you will be able to kite with Hamstring,Intercepts,Fear,Toughness,Ghost Wolf, and mace stuns. Hence you not getting hit, and the rogue going on your warrior. | |
| Glyptíc | Apr 25, 2008 - 9:12 AM (HideShow) |
| Target switching gogo :) | |
| Healor | Apr 25, 2008 - 11:20 AM (HideShow) |
| Are you guys serious? Priest + rogue gets destroyed by a even semi competent warrior + shamman. So the priest managed to run away from your warrior? Oh noes... maybe attack the rogue twice taking him to 40% life and forcing the priest to come heal him? Then intercept and go back on priest. Blowing up the warrior is possible by taking warrior out of shamman LoS then getting fear/blind/sap combo off on him, but I'd say shammy + war should win 75+% of the time | |
| Killacups | Apr 25, 2008 - 12:26 PM (HideShow) |
| Hey Limewire, do you approach priest/rogue any differently if the rogue is mutilate vs the usual shadow step build? When the rogue is mutilate and goes on the warrior, would you still reccomend to hit the priest? | |
| Limewire | Apr 25, 2008 - 3:33 PM (HideShow) |
| @Healor Yep, thats what I've been saying this whole time, but this moron Konwayz, (Who stopped responding btw, because he finally figured out how retarded he is)Thinks priest/rogue somehow counters warrior/shaman. @Killacups No, Mutilate does more damage, but also he can't shadowstep to the war or shaman. So, Hamstring rogue than Intercept to priest. Destroy. | |
| Neokrebs | Apr 25, 2008 - 11:21 PM (HideShow) |
| Why are so many people posting about this, its simple. Try to cc the rogue a tad off the bat, break free hamstring/howl the priest and after Pain suppression you won | |
| Inimitable | Apr 27, 2008 - 10:16 PM (HideShow) |
| This works if the priest does not get away, because once he steps out of pierceing howl range due to a well timed kidney shot, and catches up on heals, the wound poisons gaurantee a dead warrior. | |
| Wisdomcube | Apr 27, 2008 - 11:04 PM (HideShow) |
| Horrible help since only bag rogue/priest go for shamans | |
| Wisdomcube | Apr 28, 2008 - 12:35 PM (HideShow) |
| Every rogue priest team that goes for the shaman should be getting farmed. But good teams will just rotate stuns on the warrior and eventually the shaman will need to heal the warrior while the priest can keep the rogue up with just instant heals while he chases the shaman for a fear. | |
| Limewire | Apr 28, 2008 - 4:37 PM (HideShow) |
| No, that's fucking retarded. If the rogue goes on the warrior,your warrior is getting full rage. Attack the rogue at first, when priest comes in LoS to heal him, Intercept to priest, Bloodlust, Purge spam, warrior trinkets Kidney Shot= dead priest. | |
| Shammerz | Apr 28, 2008 - 8:12 PM (HideShow) |
| Some of you fucking retards are starting to make me rage. I think Limewire is feeling the same way. Priest / Rogue = attack priest, regardless of rogue spec. If priest gets away, pressure the rogue, priest comes out to heal, intercept, purge spam, BL on priest, he CANNOT survive. I have yet to see a priest survive offensive purging and windfury on a warrior. The end. | |
| Pressured | Apr 29, 2008 - 3:25 AM (HideShow) |
| What happens if the rogue separates the sham from the war, for example - priest park himself on a side of nagrand arena while rogue kicks shamans ass on the other, causing warrior to be too far away from his shaman = not recieving windfury totem, my rating isn't 2k but my priest and i have been up to 2050ish and it seems to work for us by separating sham from war. my priest is great at 1v1ing wars | |
| Pressured | Apr 29, 2008 - 3:27 AM (HideShow) |
| normally that's what we've tried to do, my priest is a somewhat weird spec tho. dpsish.. disc / mindflay, my priest can take the warrior lowish health and as he runs back to sham for heals chain cc the shaman and try and finish war | |
| Beowulf | Apr 29, 2008 - 9:48 AM (HideShow) |
| Pressured, Basic Shm/War strat is to hit something at all times and to stay near your shaman/totems, if the priest is screwing around the other side, then that gives u plenty of time to rip into the rogue (you). The priest is forced to come and help the rogue, which the warrior will make the easy connect on the priest, and thats that. | |
| Limewire | Apr 29, 2008 - 4:51 PM (HideShow) |
| @Pressured then you've been facing absolutely retarded warrior/shaman teams. A good warrior/shaman team won't get separated against priest/rogue. This guide is getting really really dumb. This lineup is probably the easiest lineups warrior/shaman can beat, and if anyone thinks otherwise, I'm sorry you're retarded. | |
| Jabokah | Apr 30, 2008 - 9:27 AM (HideShow) |
| I think the only time I ever lost to this combo is when the priest gets aggresive and dps me down together with the rogue and they caught us by surprise. Anyways, if the rogue stays on me instead of my shaman all I do is turn around and smash that rogue in the face while shaman switch and interrupt the priest and usually when the rogue stays on me priest will try to kite me around a pillar. If you turn around and smack the rogue most likely the priest will be out of LoS and have to run back, when he pops back just intercept him and shaman spams purge again. Rogue/priest is a farm team for warrior/shaman | |
| Jabokah | Apr 30, 2008 - 9:29 AM (HideShow) |
| @pressured If you can separate the warrior from his shaman to be gibbed he deserves to lose. | |
| Shammerz | Apr 30, 2008 - 11:17 PM (HideShow) |
| I troll this thread cuz it provides me with my lulz. | |
| Despisedicon | May 1, 2008 - 8:51 PM (HideShow) |
| Kidney shot --> trinket --> blind --> priest heals to full = gg ? =( | |
| Teferi | May 2, 2008 - 7:05 AM (HideShow) |
| Yes, why is the warrior not eating a full Blind as soon as he trinkets the kidney shot? | |
| Limewire | May 2, 2008 - 3:09 PM (HideShow) |
| That would be fucking retarded if the rogue wastes Blind on the warrior. He's focusing the warrior, and then all the sudden he Blinds. Holdon, if the rogue is going for the warrior why would he ever Blind? Your shaman can just drink if he does that. ... | |
| Despisedicon | May 3, 2008 - 3:44 AM (HideShow) |
| not if the rogue gets on the shaman? >.> | |
| Dhorik | May 3, 2008 - 5:35 PM (HideShow) |
| theres way too many stupid people in here | |
| Limewire | May 3, 2008 - 5:43 PM (HideShow) |
| Holy fuck, do you not know how to read. | |
| Neokrebs | May 4, 2008 - 11:43 AM (HideShow) |
| rogue/priest just farmed my team like 40 points | |
 Smily | May 7, 2008 - 12:37 AM (HideShow) |
| For me, this fight has two different ways to go. IF the rogue is ShadowStep, killing the priest is a thousand times easier, with minimal switches to the rogue. if the rogue has PvE gear and a warglaive/s then the fight becomes quite a bit harder. PvE geared ShS rogues with glaives can do as much damage as a mut rogue, if not more, all with the same utility of the ShS spec. Gear sucks balls :( In this case, you play it like a mut rogue, in which case your warrior should b doing more switches to the rogue to force him to vanish and run away, or force the priest come out. In which case you switch to him ASAP. If it is a normal ShS rogue, then simply get on him when the priest goes LoS, drop a max rank WF away from the priest, throw ES, top off the warrior, drop a Poisone cleansing totem, and sit to drink, because that is your time to. When the priest pops out, switch back, top warrior off, purge, spam poison cleansing totem, since its faster and costs less mana than actually trying to cure it. IF the rogue is mut, the fight is ALOT harder in my opinion. Now, your warrior is on the rogue A LOT, and you MUST purge everything that the priest throws on him so that he is forced to stop and heal rather than chase you to fear/burn. Now, Your warriors job is to intercept the priest every chance he gets, stay on him as long as possible, cause as much pressure as possible, and then when the rogue finally peals him of, he switches back to the rogue. Since intercepts CD is sort of long for a fight like this, you will have to do a good deal of kiting unless your warrior is getting a lot of WF crits and mace stuns. This fight usually ends up being a mana war when fighting skilled opponents. ShS rogues with no PvE gear = Priest MT ShS rogues with PvE gear = Priest MT, the rogue will be doing A LOT more damage, but he will take a lot more too, forces the priest out sooner. Mut rogue = Mut rogue focus, with the priest as the intercept target. If he goes oom and the rogue is low, kill the rogue, else, kill the priest. P | |
| Neokrebs | May 7, 2008 - 7:36 PM (HideShow) |
| Basically we faced this team and got rocked first two times then farmed them the last 6 haha. If the priest is running away switching to the rogue and mitigate damage, throw some bleeds, when the priest comes around again burst him, if he still is not dead let him run and burst/kill the rogue. | |
| Peacesim | May 20, 2008 - 1:31 PM (HideShow) |
| this thread is funny.... shamans can eat up priests if u do it right it's that simple. war/sham is alot more offensive than priest/rogue. so much more burst and armor than p/r. and yeah there are some really stupid players commenting on this lol | |
| Xrhino | May 21, 2008 - 12:10 AM (HideShow) |
| I am wondering how other shamans go for mana in this setup? I get hit by 0 mana burns but the healing needed on the warrior is pretty intense. We run the same basic strat as discussed here, dps priest when he in LOS and when he leaves LOS dps the rogue. The initial part of the fight my warrior is taking damage from the rogue, as well as SW:P and the priests often use mindblast + SW:D to burst a bit which requires me to spam HW. Earthshield on warrior is dispelled by any decent team. 2 evasions also means there isn't anywhere near as much damage on the rogue early on and the priest can stay out for longer. This means if the game drags on the priest gets a mana advantage. This is one comp I know we should do well against but somehow we don't. We have a winning record, but its a bit to small for my liking. A few to many 9 point wins and 22 point loses verse this setup. It might be inexperience on my end with when to purge and when to drink (I have only played just over 100 games total with a good warrior) as I do play this fairly defensive. I make sure I drink as much as possible (lots of drink bugging) since mana ends up an issue, where as perhaps I should be trying to end it quicker with more purges. I just get worried about running OOM against this setup. This isn't to say I do not purge at all, perhaps I just don't do it enough. If I can get this setup onto farm against 2100+ opponents then I will feel very comfortable as we have most of the other common setups on farm from what we have seen. | |
| Stonebull | May 24, 2008 - 1:06 PM (HideShow) |
| lol at this shit guide u will be at 35% hp before u get a chance to act so cut the bullshit of priest/rog being a free win | |
| Huntta | May 26, 2008 - 12:42 AM (HideShow) |
| We usually just sit on the rogue purge spam/LB him -> Force priest to heal -> we win manawar. If we try doing it the way limewire suggester my warrior takes shit loads of dmg and usually ends up, that I go oom before the priest does. It goes like this for us @ 2-2.1k rating @ EU-Reckoning P.S I get 0-1 mana burns per game and my Warrior's sword specced. | |
 Dvineowns | May 30, 2008 - 11:35 PM (HideShow) |
| I will farm any non orc shaman/warrior by killing the shaman, any1 wanna TR? It takes an amazing rogue but it's by far the most effective strategy. Anyway... yes, if rogue priest sticks the warrior, they won't win. | |
| Ralin | Jun 2, 2008 - 5:52 PM (HideShow) |
| Last week was the first time we went with the kill priest strat (because we are bad) and it worked remarkably well for my alt warrior and friend's alt shaman. Despite being undergeared we had no problems going pretty much flawless for the week (except lol mage/rogue) and hit 1750. First 5 games this week we hit 4 priest/rogues, guess we started running into real teams and we dropped 3 games to full S3 priest/rogues. Gunning heavily for the priest, I just took way too much damage as a S1/S3 warrior against a full S3 rogue and got raeped. We tried 2 games and dropped 2 for it, third game we tried swapping but shaman got feared through world and it deposited him in the middle which was too far to get to me in time. So, what would you change if your warrior was just taking so much damage that just zerker smashing the priest seems like a ridiculously bad idea? | |
| Suza | Jun 7, 2008 - 9:46 AM (HideShow) |
| Ok,i came to this site in mind i will learn something new,to improve my skill etc,but i was wrong,reading this comments makes me think im on general blizzard forums.The guy who is writing this guide totally wrong when saying that Shaman/warrior is counter combo for Priest/rogue.If your playstyle is to kill priest while spaming purge and warr trinket out kidney while bloodlasted is doable on on 1900-2100 ratins where rogues doesnt know to support priest very well,and priests skill is bit lower.I just cant continiue reading your guides when u said cripling = 50% slow,and that rogue wont use blind on warr after he trinkets kidney,leting priest to dispell bloodlast and reseting fight leavin u on 50% mana.The counter combo is only,and only when warrior is orc.Against mutilate rogues u are going to lose mana battle since your warr will be taking tons of dmg and u wont be able to dispell poisons even with spaming poison cleanse totem with 1sec gdc,instad of cure poison of 1.5 sec gdc. | |
| Limewire | Jun 7, 2008 - 8:41 PM (HideShow) |
| Suza, you should consider taking a grammar and spelling class. In other news, me and Thanor farmed a priest/rogue today 5-0. It was just that easy, lol. P.S fraps coming soon! | |
| Samurro | Jun 9, 2008 - 2:03 PM (HideShow) |
| Iam realy confused. Me and my mate are playing now war shaman for about 2 weeks, because his shaman is better equipped then his druid and the playstyle with shaman suits me more. No we realy farmed every ShS Rogue /DPriest Combo till we hit 19xxer rating. Today we had hit 197x and got raped twice or something from mut rogue/dpriest. The rogue just does freakin damage and stuns you most of the time, when iam in range for the priest i get him realy fast down but, he manages to get away because the rogue did catch up to me and stuns me again. We went 1 win 2-3 looses against that team. If you arsenal me, iam not full s3, but near to and my shaman is full s2 with the exception of 1-2 pieces, the team we faced was full s3, maybe that was the deal iam not sure... | |
| Suza | Jun 9, 2008 - 8:37 PM (HideShow) |
| idc for my spelling since english is not my first language,and give fraps,i wanna see how u manage to avoid fears, heal,cure poisons and spam purge on priest.. | |
| Limewire | Jun 10, 2008 - 8:49 PM (HideShow) |
| No offense, but you really should learn proper English since you're in a English speaking country. Fraps for some reason has been really lagging me lately, but I'll get my warrior to upload some clips. I believe he got some the other day. | |
| Nakamura | Jun 11, 2008 - 7:50 PM (HideShow) |
| limewire cant be 15 i worship him + YES LIMEWIRE PLEASE DO RELEASE THE VIDEO | |
| Nakamura | Jun 15, 2008 - 5:48 PM (HideShow) |
| 8 days since "fraps coming soon" | |
| Limewire | Jun 16, 2008 - 12:12 AM (HideShow) |
| Yeah, I haven't really been recording lately. It's too risky since it lags me a lot, and we're going to attempt to try to get vengeful. | |
| Inimitable | Jun 16, 2008 - 1:04 PM (HideShow) |
| Who said Suza is in an English speaking country? And you're playing retard rogue/priests because that team willl fist you everytime if the rogue camps your warrior and the priest has half a brain to let evasion do the work. | |
| Prometheusx | Jun 16, 2008 - 4:55 PM (HideShow) |
| I suggest you make a spriest lock strat. The strat should be "die a terrible death." | |
| Suza | Jun 17, 2008 - 7:33 PM (HideShow) |
| Limewire i see you are getting rank 1 in your battlegroup,vgj,give some fraps,just wanna see your playstyle.thanks | |
| Limewire | Jun 18, 2008 - 12:41 AM (HideShow) |
| @Inimitable I can't exactly edit this guide, but you don't want to tunnel vision the priest. Obviously you'll want to switch to the rogue when the priest gets away and maybe switch back depending on the situation. @Prometheusx Haha @Suza Damn, I need one of those Blackbird computers at the MLG events to not lag :). | |
| Aliens | Jun 20, 2008 - 1:15 PM (HideShow) |
| Can't seem to win against ~2200 priest/mutilate rogue... Rogue stays on me 100% of the time, with priest spamming mind blast, sw:death, mind flay. If I do manage to intercept the priest, I still have crippling on me, and he gets away very easy. Priest is also specced into silence/imp fear, so it doesn't take long to kill me. | |
| Hexblade | Jun 25, 2008 - 7:57 AM (HideShow) |
| For my team most Priest/Rogue teams is easy but its some teams where the rogue is on me(the warrior). Im trying to stick the priest I can keep hamstring up on the priest to stop him from fearing my shaman but the rogue is just rocking me. My shaman has to spam heals constantly to keep me alive and at the same time we cannot get anywhere with the priest since he isn't being purged because my shaman is spam healing to keep me alive and running from the priest as he walks hamstrung to the shaman. So either I get kited by the priest with full HoTs/priest shield with the rogue keeping me locked down and pumping damage into me as my shaman spam heals me until he runs OOM and we die. There is no way my shaman is going to be able to purge the priest clean of buffs and keep me alive at the same time. (if we were to get on the rogue) Switch to the rogue he pops evasion/ghostly strike hamstring drops from the priest my shaman is still spam healing me gets his tremor totem killed and feared->blind->sap combo when he trinkets the fear if he doesnt trinket the fear im dead if he does im dead. I only did this once it was worth a shot to see what would happen since my shaman only had like 10% mana left and the match was basicly over at that point. Any ideas? | |
| Carrane | Jun 25, 2008 - 10:11 PM (HideShow) |
| ^^^^^^^^^^ This is under the assumption that the rogue has PvE gear and most likely at least one glaive. | |
| Horrible | Jun 30, 2008 - 11:42 PM (HideShow) |
| Yeah we can't seem to beat good rogue/priest by training their priest, with crippling and kidneys+CS's he just seems to get away every time while my warrior get rapes. | |
| Ripersnifle | Jul 4, 2008 - 3:45 AM (HideShow) |
| I agree with the others. When the rogue focuses me, the warrior, this combo takes an incredibly hard turn. There is no one at all that I can stay on a priest with a rogue beating on me. If I go head to head with the rogue, the priests mana outlasts that of my shamans. | |
| Sgami | Jul 7, 2008 - 11:37 AM (HideShow) |
| If the rogue goes on my warrior and priest destroys my tremor and fears me. In that time my warrior gets nuked by the priest and rogue, when i am finally out of teh fear he is alredy at 60% and the fight is almost a lose, becaus efrom that time i only start spamming heal. This costs a lot of mana and i also get feared and stunned. In my opinion we play somehow to definsive, and when we play defensive it's like 80% a lost game.How can we try top get the upper hand, and let them spam heal and running oom, so i can start purging and stuff? | |
| Badrang | Jul 13, 2008 - 1:38 AM (HideShow) |
| I'd just like to say that when a rogue hits evasion, I usually do more dmg to them thanks to overpower. Spamming hamstring which only costs 7 rage to get a dodge then lay into him with a 2k+ overpower crit. Which the priest will be forced to come out of hiding to heal therefore allowing me to get back on priest. Also its very hard for said priest to cast much of anything being pummeled->intercepted->shield bashed->war stomped->pummeled....the list repeats itself. They can only hit themselves and the rogue with that healing frisbee of theirs which cant heal through much dps at all. And after reading this whole thread...I would like to say that Limewire knows what he's talking about and is absolutely right.(yes this coming from the warr with the 1568-rated 2v2, we just started playing and were having a bad day from multiple things...so a pre-emptive retort at people that would critisize me because of my rating.) :-P | |
| Cuzzourticus | Jul 19, 2008 - 1:18 AM (HideShow) |
| I sometimes have trouble with this comp on my warrior. Rogue is Mutilate, priest is 41/0/20. Rogue will sit on me and priest will dps and put alot of pressure to heal on me. I get on the priest every chance I can and beat on the rogue once he's out of range, until intercept is up. Basically there's so much pressure on me priest gets fears easily and i just get owned. | |
| Wickleer | Jul 21, 2008 - 2:10 PM (HideShow) |
| After playing more Rogue Priest games lately, you gotta learn how to deal with how they are treating you and adjust. Mutilate rogues means you can put pressure on the Rogue. They only have one evasion and they are most likely are saving it until you put a lot of pressure on the rogue. You can get some wins against Priest/Rogue by killing rogue. Mace > Sword in this combo. With Crippling > Hamstring, and LoS favoring the other team, stuns help so much more then another attack. And you have to learn how to trap priests regardless what the rogue is (PvE/PvP and Shadowstep/Mutilate.) Get the priest out in the open. Rogue is on you so pull rogue out into an open space while attacking the rogue, thus making the priest come out in the open. Intercept on priest and you can put a ton of pressure on them very quickly (Full rage Bar, Enraged), even with Crippling still on you. Can also totem trap as well. A lot of priests don't like to wand totems since it eats GCD time and its a 1.9 cast time on S3-S4 wands. So they try and melee them, so put the totems in the open, or near the warrior and boom, priest gets screwed up by either wanding them to avoid getting near the warrior, or melee them in bad spots where the warrior can get on them and rape. | |
| Wickleer | Jul 21, 2008 - 2:11 PM (HideShow) |
| Doh, the > is a Greater than Symbol, not showing up correctly on my browser. | |
| Shocktrooper | Jul 27, 2008 - 5:27 PM (HideShow) |
| Didn't see if you said this, but Limewire does your warrior bother to sunder the priest or rogue? | |
| Lapchern | Aug 1, 2008 - 2:27 AM (HideShow) |
| when engaging to go offensive on a rogue, does the warrior a) primarily stay in defensive stance to spam revenge & MS, overpower if it's up b) primarily stay in zerker, heroic strike, overpower if it's up c) primarily stay in battle, spam ms, heroic strike right now i've been doing option c, and i've done okay on my warrior (1700 bg9 with s2 mace)... but recently we faced dual glaive rogue and he tore me up and dodged a lot... we lost 3 times to them and beat them once. i found it quite difficult to get on the priest with cripple on me and stuns. | |
| Omeros | Aug 4, 2008 - 6:46 PM (HideShow) |
| Taking the scenery as it is; Priest always moving towards the Shaman while Rogue is sitting on warrior with stunlocks and slowing him. Warrior needs to intercept the priest every 15 secs, if it's not possible due to distance he needs to snare-slow the rogue to prevent a sap after fear. If rogue uses cd's to get away for a sap, he needs to spam piercing howl to get him off of vanish. This is not an easy fight as it should have been with a defensive priest, warrior needs to turtle whenever shaman is having a full duration fear/blind. Maces are your friend in this one, agree with above posts. | |
| Quickben | Aug 9, 2008 - 11:49 PM (HideShow) |
| I just started trying to play this comp on my warrior and we had a few losses today against DPriest/Rogue. Part of the problem (I think) was me tunnel visioning the priest too long and being unable to keep up due to crippling poisons/stuns. When pillars are in the equation, do you recommend bring the rogue out into the open or just dragging him around pillars with your shaman and forcing the priest to have to run around to get in close? Also, any words of wisdom for my Shaman on how to avoid fears yet still be close enough to effectively shock the priest's casts? I think our positioning is part of the problem. It seems like this team shouldn't be that hard so I know we are messing it up... Lastly, someone mentioned just dragging the rogue out and having your shammy go offensive on him to force the priest to come heal...is that practical given a shammy's mana issues or does that work pretty smoothly? Thanks for the help/advice! | |
| Kaagan | Aug 12, 2008 - 7:22 AM (HideShow) |
| Limewire, I appreciate how much you say "Fucking Retarded" in all of these posts, lol. Warrior hits Priest from the start, 100% purged 60% health Bloodlust Rogue vanishes cheap shots Warrior crippling Intercepts Priest resists stun...? This happened to me against "Shadowfriend" and some Rogue, both Vengeful Gladiators.. kinda sucked but I was OK since they rock. = P Any advice? | |
| Kaagan | Aug 12, 2008 - 7:29 AM (HideShow) |
| @Quickben - Pretend the Priest is a Mage or something, and you need to kite him and stop CC from the Warrior. | |
| Kaagan | Aug 12, 2008 - 7:30 AM (HideShow) |
| Also, Limewire. Did you server transfer off Mal'Ganis? | |
| Minititan | Aug 13, 2008 - 10:18 AM (HideShow) |
| the other night while trying to get to 2050 we faced this priest rogue team the rogue was in full or near full t6 with 2 glaives, we were in ruins of lord, and we lost basically coz the rogue was putting somuch dmg on me thast i couldnt follow the priest LoS at all for fear of dieing, wtf do we do there? btw he hemo crit me for 1550 | |
| Shocktrooper | Aug 15, 2008 - 4:10 AM (HideShow) |
| Make sure you place a tremor totem behind a pillar, tomb etc and have both you and your warrior in front of pillar | |
| Golijov | Aug 17, 2008 - 1:14 PM (HideShow) |
| It's season 4, if a rogue is wearing that much pve gear you can drop them to 30% inside of an intercept stun. Plus, if they get low cheat death won't even save them. | |
| Danielsnag | Aug 23, 2008 - 9:14 AM (HideShow) |
| Ok im just going to clear things up a bit here. Limewire is right this should be easy just spamstring priest build rage and keep sunders on priest. Call on vent when u have 5 sunders and enough rage to quickly burst down priest and your shaman will use heroism/bloodlust. odds are the other team wll see this coming and stun you. trinket it and keep on that priest, with purges he should be dead within 10-15 seconds. Please do not comment on my ratings as i just recently xfered and still working on arena teams. | |
| Vond | Aug 25, 2008 - 11:50 AM (HideShow) |
| Easy win. play really aggresive after the rogue kidney shots. Full sunders(really dont even need to do that in some situations) pop deathwish Keep WF totem up while spamming purge and using CL/LB combo and gib the priest, make sure to try to dispel crip whenever you can. Play this right and you can win the match in the first 30 seconds of combat. | |
| Animefreak | Sep 12, 2008 - 6:31 AM (HideShow) |
| this is an easy fight as long as the rogue doesnt focus on your warrior to much i would say.. cant realy give u any pointers here.. not much of a tactic realy just go for the priest and purge him thats what u need to know.. the other stuff is just basics if u dont know the basics chances are you will never meet a good rogue priest team xD | |
| Evidicus | Sep 18, 2008 - 1:18 AM (HideShow) |
| I keep reading how easy it is when the rogue gets on the sham, but we can't beat this team because the rogue owns my sham every time. I can't get on the priest because I am spending my time trying to save my partner. | |
| Eustach | Sep 22, 2008 - 8:44 AM (HideShow) |
| also, matchup can really start sucking if it's mut rogue/ priest and they're on warrior all the time. shaman needs to be in range for shocking and stuff, but then he's fearable if priest knows how to kill of totems really fast. and damn mut rogue does so much dmg, uncrit mut on warrior with 12k armor 900 uncrit with both while superslowed uncurable posions... last time we lost and the rogue wasn't ever doing anything else besides stunning me and mutilating, not a single kick on my shaman even if he was next to him. I was trying to get on priest but the tactic is wrong I suppose, the rogue is squishiy and has no cheat death or double evasion.... you'd go on rogue in this I guess? Only had the matchup once where we lost and the rogue had ridiculous equip. | |
| Swab | Sep 22, 2008 - 11:17 PM (HideShow) |
| We win if rogue is on me, because I just LOS the priest and the warrior beats down the rogue. We lose if the rogue is on the warrior, no matter what we try. LOS the priest and kill the rogue doesn't work due to, to much CC on their side. Playing aggressive on the priest doesn't work either. I purge the crap out of the priest and my warrior is already at 50% while they both have taken rather no damage, at that time i usually start healing and this is where the fun starts, I get mana burned, blinded, mana burned and feared.. GG?Oh forgot to mention the priest somehow got my tremor down every single time(it's a thing called wand or something). We got beaten down from 1700ish to 1600ish just by one rogue/priest comp this evening. Gief ingame footage plx! | |
| Swab | Sep 22, 2008 - 11:26 PM (HideShow) |
| Forgot to mention that after reading all these posts I still haven't got a clue what to do exactly because everyone is contradicting each other. So once more! Gief ingame footage for retarded noob shaman plx! | |
| Eustach | Sep 23, 2008 - 5:04 AM (HideShow) |
| haha swab, the exact same happened to you as it happened to us. rogue was doing such a shitload of dmg, I basically never ever returned back to over 60% hp. crip > hamstring, outside of intercept, no chance. yeah, if the rogue's on my shaman, easy win, cakewalk. if the rogue's on me and the priest is pillarhugging and good at avoiding being intercepted, no fcking way. we both call out everytime fear cd is up again, but that priest just instantly killed tremor, I guess with a macro priorizing grounding, tremor, poison, windfury. no fcking chance, it costs him no mana. we were a good bit over 1700 again, and then tanked down to 1617 against that team, spriest/warlock, mage/rogue and a druid/warrior team where the druid was abusing shadowmeld drinking everytime and the warrior just sat it out in sunwell shield and stuff, it was borderline cheating to me... yeah, and f*ck sword warriors having incredible proc luck 45% -> dead in one GCD twice in a row. I just hate that and I'm happy theyre removing macestun aswell putting a cd on sword proccs. | |
| Hêrostan | Oct 4, 2008 - 5:02 PM (HideShow) |
| Not read the entire thing but the fact is saying "stick to the priest doesnt cut it" Crip is 70%, hamstring is 50% priest soon walks away. Ok so you claim hit the rogue, so rogue first fires up evasions and loldodges your attacks whilst loling at you and the priest goes for burns on your shaman or drinks. Second if the priest does come into LOS to heal saying intercept is great, a good rogue will have saved SHS + ks for this occasion and your back to being kited, yes SHS has a longer cooldown, big deal the second time he has to run over, KS lasts 6 seconds priest is comfortably back out of range come the end of it. From what i read Limewire you completely ignore these points and instead post comments on peoples ratings or claiming theyre retards. If you wana do that about mine cool, im 2038 with 36-1 playing full resto rogue (which doesnt work btw, you need restoking), having spent all of S3 playing mutilate discpriest, shaman warrior was a free win. You also seem to ignore the fact not only does a muti rogue outdamage a warrior, if you turn your back on him and he doesnt need to bother with stuns; he'l keep expose, rupture and SnD up all the time, which means your shaman isnt playin offensive becuase every 12seconds your warrior loses 8K+ HP. It also means his 1.8speed daggers are now 30% faster, procing wound on a 40% proc rate with 40% dispel resist. And just to keep going - what happens when your priest drags your warrior line of sight on 50% and the rogue hits the shaman, in a straight 1v1 i beat restoshamans as mutilate, but lets ignore that - i dont even need to kill the shaman, my priest is busy beating the warrior in a 1v1 and your going to have to trinket if you want to get there, which is game over comfortably. Or how about kiting your warrior LOS and stunning him there, to you have to come nice and close for fears? If you want your warrior to intervene back thats cool, rogue priest comfortably wins on mana, even if you get your entire mana tide off. Sorry dude not meaning to be an arse but | |
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