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  | Hellenkeller Kel'Thuzad US-Nightfall |
 | Shaman/Warrior | VS. |  | Paladin/Warrior |
This is a difficult combo because the enemy Warrior will kill your Shaman before you can kill the Paladin. If the Warrior is hitting you, thats fine, you will win with Windfury in the long run, but they usually go for the Shaman. You need to focus the Pally because giving rage to the other Warrior while he focuses your Shaman will only make your shaman die that much faster. However, you need to stay in range of your Shaman's totems. The fight is a loss if you get separated from your Shaman. You beat a Paladin through locking down of his casting ability. Earthshock->Pummel->Earthshock->Warstomp/Intercept/Intimidating Shout->Earthshock->Pummel is the kind of rotation you need to win. This is an insane amount of lockout and with Bloodlusted Windfury you will get the Pally to bubble or die. I like Bloodlusting after hes bubbled once, but a good pally wont let you get him down unless you blow your CDs. So stay close to your Shaman, Demo Shout the enemy Warrior, and maintain perfect communication to interrupt the Paladin and you will steal some wins.
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 Stevenbones | Feb 2, 2008 - 3:21 AM (HideShow) |
| ugh this combo is annoying when the other warriors is hamstringing u and pally is bof himself | |
 Golgotha | Feb 4, 2008 - 10:51 PM (HideShow) |
| I don't understand why people say to go for the paladin in this matchup, we just attack the warrior and chain interrupts (ES --> intercept --> pummel --> ES) on the paladin when he falls behind on healing and starts casting holy lights. | |
| Zibb | Feb 18, 2008 - 6:09 AM (HideShow) |
| Yes, I would agree with the above. When I've played against this setup with my brother we have always had the problem that I'm hamstringed and the if pally manages to bof himself and if I miss a purge (or if he resists it) we've lost. It's much easier for a pally to stay alive than a shammy. | |
| Forfeit | Mar 3, 2008 - 1:29 AM (HideShow) |
| When I ran with a warrior, we won paladin/warrior 100% of the time. We focused paladins and forced the bubble, while bubbled, my warrior disarmed the opposing warrior, and waited on the bubble. Repeat, but with bloodlust. If you can't survive a single dps on you as a resto shaman for as long as you have mana AND your earth shield, you're doing something wrong. | |
| Zumut | Mar 11, 2008 - 9:13 AM (HideShow) |
| Arggggghh And I was the warrior! Lawl forfeit we gotta start playing together again. I need 2k! | |
 Destal | Apr 4, 2008 - 1:54 AM (HideShow) |
| WTB more comps | |
| Dario | Apr 6, 2008 - 7:56 PM (HideShow) |
| I usally go For the War and we try to interupt the paladin going for the Pally ends up in a loss most times. | |
| Felanor | Apr 13, 2008 - 11:40 AM (HideShow) |
| Pally always outlasts us with mana, have not beaten this setup consistantly above 1850 rating. | |
| Treb | Apr 16, 2008 - 3:45 AM (HideShow) |
| I can't imagine going on the Warrior working very well. Feeding their Warrior rage would be bad, and it would be difficult to kite this team. Frost Shock/Purge BoF/Hamstring on the Warrior would only lead to Intercept + Judgement of Justice combos. We've tried doing our own separate things too (Sham vs. War & Pally vs. War), but that hasn't worked out too well either. I've been finding it difficult to stay offensive while still keeping myself at a comfortable health due to Stuns, Pummels, and Intercepts. | |
| Quantity | Apr 20, 2008 - 1:55 AM (HideShow) |
| You go on the Warrior while locking the Paladin down. Intercept, pummel, earth shock, intercept, pummel, earth shock, fear, etc. You'll make the Warrior eventually choose between DPS'ing and staying alive, at which point you have a massive advantage. | |
 Inimitable | May 10, 2008 - 12:22 AM (HideShow) |
| One of the hardest combos if the paladin is good, in my opinion. Can't exactly pummel if the paly is a good distance away and if you blow that intercept there's a chance for MS to wear off. | |
 Guntt | May 10, 2008 - 1:28 PM (HideShow) |
| i'm having a harder and harder time vs this team. pally spams flash, drinks entire time he isnt healing. warrior sticks to my shaman like white on rice. between BoF, timely trinkets and purge resists I can't give my shammy enough breathing room. not-dumb warriors staying in LoS, pally is hardly pressured. rage-starved i have to choose between MS, intercepting the warrior or trying to land a pummel to set them back. obviously the pally won't ever go OOM. we try to get him to blow his shield then switch, but even that takes quite a while barring some good crits. shaman is expending huge mana to stay alive by this point. i've tried sitting on the pally, sitting on warrior, switching, pulling them apart, pulling them together and nothing is working out for us. unless we get some lawl-RNG early we end up in a slow, painful loss against this team. | |
| Shocktrooper | May 23, 2008 - 5:55 AM (HideShow) |
| @Guntt are the pally warrior teams you face intercepting your shaman + BOF + keeping a snare on you? If they aren't doing that you should be able to sit on pally making sure BoF flies off instantly and you 2 alternate interrupts. Or maybe you are having such a hard time because of unlucky resists on purge/mace stun. | |
| Skaterjunk | May 30, 2008 - 8:02 PM (HideShow) |
| I dont think me and my partner have ever lost a game against this comp. keep your waron their war. keep WF and str down o pressure the pallys heals, chain shocks the pally... for tauren run on over and war stomp. have your warrior inercept / pummel for more lockdown. the pally will most likely bubble himself to reset the fight so he can heal his warrior to full. shaman, keep some dps in between shocks on the warrior. CL, sering totem, LB all in beteen shocks, and the pally will eventual fall behind... but DONT FORGET THE SHOCKS. if your warrior can drag the other warrior behind a pillar good deal.... use earthbnd and warstomp to keep the pally away.. save NS for a burst of DPS on the warrior usualy. cast a LB, then NS chain lightning for a good 3-5k dmg depending on your dmg / crit | |
 Nonnoz | Jun 2, 2008 - 7:43 AM (HideShow) |
| This strat is 100% wrong, if the pally/warrior team has its warrior on the shamans warrior then the shaman will not outlast the pally mana wise, it's simply impossible. The pallys warrior sunders up the enemey warrior while that warrior attempts to focus the pally, when the pally escapes both warriors are forced to fighr each other BUT the shaman will be way behind in healing due to the dmg he has already taken. As long as you kill mana tide totem the shaman will be oom rather quickly and the pally/warrior team will win. | |
 Maxiimus | Jun 2, 2008 - 12:27 PM (HideShow) |
| Nonnoz, if their warrior is on your warrior then all your shaman has to do is earthshock. When he can't you intercept or pummel. It's not a matter of outlasting you just win because of WF/interrupts. If their warrior is on your shaman that's when surviving gets dicey. | |
| Buttnugget | Jun 9, 2008 - 1:52 PM (HideShow) |
| We always focus on the paladin and the only time we've lost to paladin/warrior was when their warrior got a lucky streak of mace stuns and the paladin got to escape behind a pillar to use BoP with my shaman out of range, healed to full and managed to survive until forebearance is over, and even with 3 lives on the paladin we almost managed to finish them off. Normally it's just a matter of being able to purge the BoP if they by a miracle survive that long after the big bubble. I don't know how people without Improved Slam / with Endless Turd kill paladins efficiently but I'm guessing that's where you go wrong when thinking your shaman will die before the paladin. They sure as hell aren't going to kill a resto shaman before he goes OOM, and they don't really go OOM that fast against a warrior without an offensive dispeller. | |
| Buttnugget | Jun 9, 2008 - 1:58 PM (HideShow) |
| I guess you also wanted to know that my little purgebot is trying to keep up with the paladin as well as he can, purging BoF so I can keep him hamstringed for him to earth shock when my pummel is on cooldown (though normally we just randomly pummel and shock at the same time ;). The paladin normally has about 80% mana left when he dies. | |
| Guntt | Jun 16, 2008 - 5:33 AM (HideShow) |
| i've come to the conclusion that sham/war loses if the paladin lands a single Holy Light on his target if MS isn't up. 5 sunders on either doesnt matter. 1 good HL tops his target off is MS is parried or dodged and falls off. | |
| Arta | Jun 21, 2008 - 5:49 AM (HideShow) |
| Yeah it's really REALLY important to not lose rage on whirlwinds and heroic strike cause u dont get any rage when you attack the paladin but you have to kill the paladin sp save you rage to mortal strike and pummel IMO | |
| Carrane | Jul 5, 2008 - 4:23 PM (HideShow) |
| I personally have never lost to this setup that I can remember after toughness with my strategy. A shaman can rage starve a warrior all day and keep himself alive with earth shield. How we go about it is focus the pally, coordinate interrupts and the shaman has to be right on top of the pally. He BoF's himself you purge it if you can, if not have your warrior do the best he can to stick him and bring their warrior AWAY from yours. Once BoF goes down you stick the pally again, coordinate interrupts. He will bubble and it won't take very long. After bubble we do it again and I generally pop heroism at about 60%. If you get in the situation where you can't kill him before he BoP's and he gets away, you just play the mana battle. The pally SHOULDN'T beat the shaman in mana if the warrior is on him. These are the tricks I use as well as the above strategy Use max rank ES unless you're falling behind in mana. Keep Windfury and earthbind totem down as much as possible. Save your trinket for the Hammer the pally is gonna use. Have your warrior call out if the pally is making his way to come burst you. Not really difficult imo. But everytime we tried the warrior on warrior strategy it failed miserably. | |
| Kiranat | Jul 5, 2008 - 6:55 PM (HideShow) |
| The above post is basically useless. Unless the opposing team is retarded it's almost impossible for the shaman's warrior to get on the opposing paladin because he will be hamstrung the entire game. The shaman will not win the mana war of the warrior vs. warrior matchup. | |
| Carrane | Jul 6, 2008 - 1:32 PM (HideShow) |
| Umm, wait so you're saying the warrior is gonna hamstring the opposing warrior while targeting the shaman or? Cuz if so, he will literally have no rage at all to Mortal strike and/or pummel. Making it easy to kite, which makes it easy to keep freedoms off and hey if the warrior is hamstrung and the pally is hamstrung...woo they run same speed huh? If you'd like I could post a couple screenshots of GOOD pally/warrior teams my team has beat that actually know what they're doing and we followed my strategy | |
| Carrane | Jul 6, 2008 - 1:35 PM (HideShow) |
| Edit: to my above post, if the warrior is targeting my warrior I will DEMOLISH that pally's mana. Every team that tried that strategy, we killed them in 2 minutes. | |
| Beefstyx | Jul 21, 2008 - 6:14 PM (HideShow) |
| This is all good information when you are facing a holy paladin/war team, but what if you are facing a ret pally/war team? My gear is crap (i know this, but i just got to 70 a few weeks ago) and we faced this team last night. I was blown away by pummels, HoJ, repentance, mace stuns, and stun herald stun procs. Is this normal or is there a good strat for this comp? | |
| Oniahar | Aug 1, 2008 - 8:45 AM (HideShow) |
| @Beefstyx, Fortunately you won't see ret/pally very often once you get above 1600ish since their lack of CC (for a double dps team this is bad) will probably keep them back. Also more gear will make this fight much easier. Keep the Ret paladin slowed (earthbind frostshocks), granted with hamstring on you this becomes more challenging to distance yourself from him, but if you spec 0/20/41 and get toughness it is often quite possible to drop an earthbind and get away. Make sure earthshield is up on you or the warrior (whoever is getting focused) since they have no Offensive dispels. I feel you on the gear (I was full elemental s3 so now I'm working on the resto set but I only have ~1400 healing). We faced ret pally warrior once, and it was a lot easier for me I'm sure since I have the stam and res just not the +Heals. | |
 Evuldoer | Aug 5, 2008 - 8:56 AM (HideShow) |
| This is about the only combo I find relatively easy to beat ... Usualy we totaly ignore the Warrior so he hardly gets any rage. We go all out on the Pally and even when he bubbles we still ignore the Warrior (the amount of damage he does without rage is easily healed through). After the bubble we finish off the Pally and 2vs1 the Warrior. With Earth Shield, Bloodlust (after the bubble) and WF-totem we burn down the Pally faster than our Shammy is downed. | |
| Kaagan | Aug 12, 2008 - 6:42 AM (HideShow) |
| Chain interrupt the Paladin, ES first, so when the Pummel is on CD, ES will be up again. Neither of us are Taurens, so it makes it a little harder to interrupt, BUT. ES/Pummel/ES/Pummel/ES/Intercept/Pummel/ES. If he hasn't bubbled by then, start using max rank Earth Shocks. If you execute this strategy flawlessly and you don't win, you are doing something terribly wrong. NEVER let the Shaman drop below 50% or it's a loss. Fear - Shaman trinkets starts healing - Stun, then the Shaman's dead. @Oniahar: Gear does nothing, when people flash their "2000+" teams, I laugh at the insecurity. STOP. | |
| Vond | Aug 25, 2008 - 11:53 AM (HideShow) |
| You wont out mana a paladin or should have to, with all the interrupts while owning the warrior which will force the pally to bubble. (If you dont want to fall for fake outs interrupt right before the spell gets off, not the second he casts it) after the the bubble rinse and repeat but this time with heroism. Easy win if you play well | |
| Danielsnag | Sep 8, 2008 - 6:52 AM (HideShow) |
| @kaagan wtf do u mean by 'if you execute this stratergy flawlessly and you lose you are doing something terribly wrong'? If we are doing it flawlessly we obviously are not doing it wrong. Lol other then that comment i agree with your strat. being on warrior is a auto loss unless you somehow stop EVERY heal. Feeding a warrior rage in a 3-4 miniute match is NOT a good thing lol. | |
| Vond | Sep 17, 2008 - 5:12 PM (HideShow) |
| Danielsnag you are completely wrong, a pally can escape/kite a warrior better than a shaman can so making it warrior v shaman and pally v warrior will be an auto loss. If you get 5 sunders on the warrior with WF you can do loads of damage to him, you have so many rounds of interrupt, Pummel, earthshock, intercept and pulling there warrior behind a pillar you can easily gimp a warrior. | |
| Belar | Oct 1, 2008 - 3:37 PM (HideShow) |
| Me and my shaman are in a low bracket but we have never had problem with this comp, my shaman does a good job of kiting the oposing teams warrior, also my shaman will come by me whenever my disarm up and i will disarm the oposing teams warrior and he will ES the pally, which will allow him to run and drink or whatever he may need to do and like he said with windfury we win in dps, this works when they don't both go after the shaman sometimes the pally will try to lock down the shaman with hammer of justice to allow the warrior to dps on my shaman but like above i will disarm/fear and try to get as many mace stuns of on the oposing teams warrior then switch back to the pally, as soon as he bubbles i switch to the warrior and when he comes back out of bubble we normally bloodlust and i death wish and blast the pally to death. | |
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