Strategies

Shadow Priest/Rogue (Lilic)

Author

Everz
Lothar
US-Ruin

Shadow Priest/Rogue

VS.

Shaman/Warrior

Difficulty: 4/10

Usually we like to kill the Shaman first here, just because a Rogue with AR can practically stop a Shaman from casting anything while it's active. Going for the Warrior is also viable, and this decision will depend on which player seems to be better at surviving. I will talk about both approaches.

If we're going for the Shaman, I will sit back on my mount and LOS the Warrior if he rushes, while my Rogue engages the Shaman. If the Warrior is in Battle Stance, have the Rogue Sap him, but if he's in Berserker stance it's not worth risking our Rogue getting revealed when the Warrior Berserker Rages out. Anyways, a Sap is simply a plus, and not altogether necessary. Once your Rogue opens on the Shaman, your Priest should ride in, destroy his Tremor Totem, then Fear the Shaman. Fear is a fun CC sometimes — Rogue DPS only has a chance of breaking it, and you will usually always get about 2-3 seconds of free DPS before the Shaman comes out of it. Right after your Fear, strip the Shaman of his buffs - especially Earth Shield. You must get Earth Shield off whenever it's up. He can keep replacing it but it'll cost him 900 mana and a GCD each time. After this opening, it's just a matter of killing the Shaman before the Warrior kills your Priest. Throw a Fear on the Shaman whenever you can and make sure you destroy his Tremor Totems beforehand. Popping other totems such as Windfury, Poison Cleansing, and Grounding if they are nearby helps too, but if they are too far away don't bother crawling over to it with Hamstring on you. Save your Silence for after the Shaman pops Nature's Swiftness. If you time it well, or your Rogue gets stun on the Shaman after he pops NS but before he can hit the heal, dispel NS - this is a HUGE plus. If the Warrior trinkets at any time of the fight, Blind him right after. Most Warriors won't trinket though, so just save your Blind for if the Shaman somehow gets away and begins kiting the Rogue. Once the Shaman dies, your Priest will probably be low on health and your Rogue out of cooldowns. Now this next part is important:: once the Shaman goes down, the Priest should NOT pop out to heal himself. He needs to put up his DoTs on the Warrior before doing anything else. This is to ensure that, if our Priest dies, our Rogue can easily solo the Warrior. A Shadow Word: Pain and a Vampiric Touch together will damage a Warrior from 100% to under 50% at maximum duration.

If we're going for the Warrior, the fight will be much like Priest/Warrior where we are CCing the healer and bursting the Warrior. The only difference is Tremor Totems; your Priest must destroy them before attempting to a Fear, because it will knock the Shaman out of the Fear right away and the Fear will be wasted. Have your Rogue start off by Sapping the Shaman. Your Priest should ride in on top of the Shaman, destroy his Tremor Totem and then DoT up and focus the Warrior. Our Priest then Fears the Shaman with about 1-2 seconds left on Sap. Most of the time the Shaman will need to trinket this Fear; chain it with a Blind immediately, followed by a Vanish->Sap and/or a Silence. The Warrior should die before your CCs wear off.

Comments:

SpunkyApr 9, 2008 - 6:56 AM (HideShow)
i found going for the shaman after the new instant ghost wolf gives trouble .. i can dispell it but still he can get away from the rogue for 2 secs with cleansing crippling while hamstring is on the rogue and it will be hard to catch him again.

we tried a tactic which we start on shaman with full pressure "and we never refresh dots" and in the sametime once warrior is near i fully dot him up .. we wait till the dots fade from shaman and warrior will be <60% then we start the CC rotation on shaman and nuke down the warrior worked each time we tried it.

any other suggestions against that setup?
CeleblinApr 16, 2008 - 8:08 PM (HideShow)
2 possibilities

most of times : Chaman make love to pillars. Warrior stay with him
Focus Chaman. Rogue will do most damage. Priest should dispell earth shield, kill snare and cleansing totem to help rogue stay on chaman and apply dots while surviving warrior beatdown. An early sap on warrior should really help you to rush chaman mounted and apply dots to begin.

Other option :
Warrior go far from chaman.
Split damage. SPriest on Warrior, Rogue on Chaman. Spriest should keep an eye on chaman and keep Trinket to remove warrior snare and rush chaman for Silence if rogue let it escape
KboonApr 28, 2008 - 9:09 PM (HideShow)
This team make-up has really messed us up for a while, when we tried to have spriest on warrior while i interrupt shaman, but since an NS or a stun resist would make healing inevitable, we've started zerging down the shaman. I have improved kick, so I usually have my priest silence the shaman at about 40%, followed by an imp kick -> KS or vanish -> CS to let him get off another MB/SWD combo or just a couple more hemo's, usually drops him. Has worked every time except one matchup against double tauren, chain war stomp ftl.
AngprotectorApr 30, 2008 - 8:52 AM (HideShow)
Sap warrior no matter stance, if battle stance fear after sap 2 and blind at the end, if bberserker stance and uses berskerer rage fear asap when it ends then blind so u can get fair 10 sec cc on the warrior for sure while killing shaman.
MemoraMay 19, 2008 - 5:25 PM (HideShow)
Our strat: We dont really bother much with cc versus this setup, instead we dot up both and try to use fear and blind as interrupts offensively. Usually shaman will die and the warrior will be left at sub 30%

Our fights tend to go:

DoT up warrior.
DoT up shaman.
Have your rogue call out kidneyshots on shaman, nuke shaman during kidneyshot, into a silence on shaman.

Dispel bloodlust and earth shield. Refresh dots on warrior.

Shaman will die, warrior will be at 30%, priest will die, rogue will finish off warrior.
AnnorlundaJun 14, 2008 - 12:14 AM (HideShow)
Celeblin, WTF is CHAMAN?
TreinjoJul 7, 2008 - 9:20 AM (HideShow)
@ Everz, a good shaman wont get sapped ... ghost wolf.

@ Celebin zerker rage = immune to sap and breaks it

I may not be in the high rankings yet, but I do know that my shaman and I carve up every priest/rogue we come across
BeefstickJul 17, 2008 - 1:34 PM (HideShow)
Shadow Priest / Rogue counter comps Shaman Warrior; Most double dps 2's teams do.
BeefstickJul 17, 2008 - 1:39 PM (HideShow)
Also, a far better strategy is to split dps. Rogue does full DPS to the Shaman (Priest adds DoTs, I believe, if he's in LOS) and the Warrior, who is certainly on the Priest, will be pulled back LOS of the Shaman and solo'd by the Priest, easily. The Shaman can NS heal the Warrior, but will end up either A) going down himself because he can't keep up heals from a Rogue popping all his cooldowns on dps while using cooldowns to keep his Warrior alive / Purge PW:S on the Priest or B) the Warrior will get wtfOWNED by the Priest even with a NS heal, a few seconds of Bloodlust, and a possible Windfury totem, if he remains in range of it.

The way for a GOOD Shaman Warrior to counter this is for, when you realize they're going for a split, the Warrior hamstrings the Priest and gets on the Rogue, while both the Shaman and the Warrior attempt to LOS the Priest. The Shaman should assist damage with max rank Fire Nova totem and r1 ES the Priest's casts when he's present.
EleshynaAug 7, 2008 - 12:28 AM (HideShow)
Beefstick,imo the Split Dps Idea is not a good idea at all.If the rogue is really on annoying the shaman and not dps him (in this rare case you will be more free to heal),a smart shaman will not attempt to heal,but support his warri by just purging the shadowpriest,and giving him 1inst heal (no ms on warri).And as once Kidney shot is on cd,simple enough to fake the kick an get off another 1 or 2 LHW.So imagine:

1v1 SP who is constantly being purged vs Warri with: Wf,Heroism,4-6k NS heal,and maybe another 2-4k heal.
Clear thing to me who is taking that thing home.

Only chance of winning you have with this srat is that the shaman trys to heal his shaman instead of supporting him with purges.
DeathdealerxAug 22, 2008 - 1:13 AM (HideShow)
I think going for the warrior is a pretty bad idea, cause if his smart, first of all u cant sap him (ghost wolf), second he will put tremor totem on the other side of the map, so the priest has to dismount on one side of the arena kill tremor totem, warrior then hamstring spams u. U can get to the shaman to fear him, warrior contiously beats ur SP into pieces, by the time u even get a chance to fear the shaman, u havent put dots on warrior and his got earthshiled, so u havent dispeld that really either, so the warrior is in good shape. U start a fear on a shaman and ur SP is already at ~65% life, warrior at 95% or so, u start dpsing warrior, and priest will be heavily pressured because he will have to be dispelling earth shiled and bloodlust on both targets (especialy on the shaman), and trying to dps warrior, after that first fear the warrior is around 50%, and u should immiedlty silence after fear, even at that warrior goes def at 50% and lives through that, ur rogue blinds, then shaman trinkets, and spams heals on war to 100% and grats u have lost, Putting totem on one side of the arena and shaman being on the other side in ghost wolf makes it extremely difficult to down a good warrior.
KboonAug 23, 2008 - 11:56 AM (HideShow)
rofl, as of S4, this is 100% impossible to win. A Undead Warrior/Tauren Shaman literally 5 shot my shadow priest in 4/5 brutal 5 games in a row. Sad day for spriest rogue. 2000 MS, 2000 crit, 2500 WF, 2000 crit, 3200 execute. Rofl ok, that's balanced.

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