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  | Murphylizzle Ravenholdt US-Whirlwind |
 | Rogue/Warlock | VS. |   | Druid/Warrior |
Open on the warrior, but don't blow cds and force the druid to come out. Once out, the rogue jumps him using cheap shot and kidney. If the druid trinkets go ahead and cc him and kill the warrior. If he doesn't, just go for the kill on the druid.
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| Kyoukun | Feb 16, 2008 - 10:49 PM (HideShow) |
| when the rogue blows his cd's on the dru and tries to kill him, (if the druid is good) hell just bash you and charge ur lock, shift into travel form and get away from both of u. usually we just kill the warrior with an immediate blind on the dru. or dc the dru then if he trinkets we cc him kill war. | |
| Orgodemir | Feb 20, 2008 - 3:11 PM (HideShow) |
| [quote] Kyoukun Feb 16, 2008 - 7:49 PM (HideShow) when the rogue blows his cd's on the dru and tries to kill him, (if the druid is good) hell just bash you and charge ur lock, shift into travel form and get away from both of u. usually we just kill the warrior with an immediate blind on the dru. or dc the dru then if he trinkets we cc him kill war.[/quote] soo basically you play druids that dont know how to los or heal? | |
 Rades | Feb 23, 2008 - 9:21 AM (HideShow) |
| I have a really tough time cc'ing a druid that just LOS my fears.. especially since I play with australian ping and with a 3stack of lifebloom healing 700 per second..... there isn't much of a chance of us killing the warrior before he kills us, especially with sweeping strikes doing half my rogues hp in 3-4 hits, the druid doesn't even need to cc one of us (hence making it harder for me to cc him since he is never standing still... only in LOS for .5 a second to refresh a hot) any suggestions? | |
 Werp | Mar 2, 2008 - 6:10 PM (HideShow) |
| when he comes out to hot dc him then fear the blind | |
| Amorru | Mar 3, 2008 - 3:40 PM (HideShow) |
| Sap warrior, let ur warlock open with a immolate and dots and kite the warrior around.. As rogue u search for the drood, if u find him, do insane damage in ur stunlock.. if he trinkets at ur kidneyshot u can just spam blind--> restealth--> Sap, in this time the warrior should be dead by now, If u cant find the drood and the warrior is getting low hp, just nuke down the warrior asap, try to use blind at drood before he gets his big heals off. | |
| Forensic | Mar 5, 2008 - 9:33 AM (HideShow) |
| Yeah we sap warrior, and I open on him. You can immolate to begin, but if he berserks before cast is off, you need to get him in combat before he charges. I still use the felhunter because my rogue hopefully will lock down the warrior enough. This leaves me with a purge for hots and a silence on druid. If the warrior can kill 2 felhunters then our combo isn't doing something right. As long as your rogue can control the warrior long enough to let you get off one fear on the druid, you can win. | |
| Puwet | Mar 20, 2008 - 2:36 PM (HideShow) |
| for the rogue respec SUB build and have an 20/0/21 or 18/0/43 spec with imporved expose armor and keep the dots on. Once you start a stun-lock you have to cast ghostly strike/evasion so any of his bleeds will miss you entirely. The fact that the warrior can't touch the rogue makes it easier to stun the druid with blinds and stuff. expose armor the druid, but don't bleed him... you will just make him watch his own health more. Have the warlock call out the fear so you can put an ALL important stunlock and pound him with white damage with expose armor on.... now THAT HURTS! I do believe that they should be focusing on the rogue anyways.. but you have to play your part with dots and bleeds, it's more important than a stun lock because your just building him rage/ more energy to meelee. you are really working on just kiting the warrior, not killing him. Call out the gouge/fear if the blind is over and both ATTACK DRUID quick.. whomever the warrior is trying to attack the other person has to CC him, and then FOCUS fire real quick on the other person. So have the warlock stay near to cast fear when things go wrong. Avoid hamstring by evasions and even use prep to make it a 10+ sec evasion. Those 10 seconds give plenty of time for the warlock to place DOTS on everyone and fear in good sync. CC'n the warrior early is what you want because you WANT him to pop his trinket. | |
 Notus | Apr 7, 2008 - 7:42 PM (HideShow) |
| We start with a sap on the warrior if the rogue can't find the druid first. A full round of dots goes up on the warrior as he gets stun locked by the rogue. A soon as the druid pops out he gets blinded. This is where the lock needs to pays attention, and as soon as he trinkets the blind (he'll have to or the warrior will be dead) he eats a dc then a full fear. He may have had time to get off a hot or 2 before the blind, but if you can't down the warrior in the 12 seconds he's cc by death coil and fear then you're not doin it right. If you have to you can throw a second fear or if the rogue is shadowstep, have him vanish, shadowstep and sap the druid. That's a LONG time to go without heals and the warrior has to be dead. | |
| Realaz | Apr 14, 2008 - 6:13 AM (HideShow) |
| A repost from the other (the Rogue PoV one) lock/rogue guide: After having a terrible session yesterday with my rogue, I've given a lot of thought into what strategies we could use against different setups. This is what I've come up with for druid/warrior. Me and my rogue start on the warrior, DPSing him but not using any cooldowns or stuns apart from evasion. The rogue gets a 5 point SnD off and when the druid pops, he ShS blinds him. The druid trinkets (most likely), the rogue vanish CS's him, I dot him up, right when CS is about to fade he KS's, right when KS is about to fade I Deathcoil + Spell Lock. During the 2 stuns and the Deathcoil, rogue pops prep, refreshes evasion, and right after the spell lock he vanish CS's again. By the time the last stun wears off the druid should be nearly dead if we manage to lock him down in caster form. I fearspam after the CS to finish him off. Now what would ruin this strategy might be the warrior intercepting the rogue just when he's about to stun the druid, undodged disarm or even a deep wounds tick interrupting vanish CS. What are your thoughts about this strat? Would it work against any other healer dps team with a druid? | |
| Gleve | May 1, 2008 - 7:00 AM (HideShow) |
| How should I fear etc. when the warrior is on the warlock... theres not much I can do. He just takes a dump on me. | |
| Thael | May 14, 2008 - 2:08 PM (HideShow) |
| Like I posted in the other thread (maybe for a different Lock) #showtooltip /stopcasting /cast Fear(Rank 1) | |
| Fision | Jun 4, 2008 - 4:46 PM (HideShow) |
| um what? | |
 Veracant | Jun 4, 2008 - 5:50 PM (HideShow) |
| I have found this combo to be a complete cock block. The only luck we've had against this team is working the druid. I stay away from the warrior until my rogue can find the druid, then we plow the druid with a CS, KS, DC, spell lock, fear, fear combo. Trying to CC a druid with any sort of reliability is impossible I dont' care what anyone says, a good warrior will have you hamstringed plain and simple. This leave the druid free to outrange your fears as well as los, and a free druid could heal through god trying to kill his warrior. If you are beating a druid team by cc'ing the druid, I can only suggest, that is a horrible druid. | |
 Avataress | Jun 6, 2008 - 4:03 PM (HideShow) |
| Our strat is fairly simple. Rogue jumps on Warrior immediately. Warlock fully dots the warrior and waits for the Druid to pop. When druid comes out to heal warrior, death coil to interrupt the initial heal, sick your felhunter on the druid and follow up with a fear. Warlock needs to kite the warrior at all times. Trinket out of hamstrings if you have to, but stay away from the warrior. After the initial fear or if druid trinkets the fear, call for the rogue to blind the druid. Time the blind and have a fear waiting for him. Completely CC the druid, CoE the Warrior and kite him, rogue should be able to finish the warrior no problem with the help of a few dots. | |
| Cerpin | Jun 7, 2008 - 7:40 PM (HideShow) |
| We've hit a wall against this combo, got the same team 4 times in a row and managed to win 1. We started out on the warrior and the druid pops up as far away as possible. I've got hamstring on me and the lock is on the opposite side of the warrior to the druid. If i manage to get a blind on the druid he trinkets hots the warrior and pillar humps. | |
 Bantad | Jul 2, 2008 - 10:19 PM (HideShow) |
| Basically what we do is rogue start on warrior with sap then SS/KS while the rogues fully dot's him. As soon as the druid pops up warlock chain-fears him until he trinkets. As soon as he trinkets the rogue blinds him then go back on whacking the warrior. When blind is about to end, rogue vanish/shs/sap druid if deep wound/rend is not up. 9/10 the warrior seem to be on the warlock so this is usually no big deal. This is said before I think but this is how we do it, try to get warrior down and CC druid. We've only been to like 1900 rating tho so I'm not trying to be the expert, just saying how we do it, seem to work 8/10 times anyway. Good luck. | |
| Bantad | Jul 2, 2008 - 10:20 PM (HideShow) |
| "while the rogues fully dot's him" should obviously be "while the warlock fully dot's him". *Misses an 'edit' function* | |
| Loneninja | Jul 7, 2008 - 3:55 AM (HideShow) |
| Any good warrior/druid will almost always beat this setup. If the druid can LOS and the warrior knows how to maintain hamstring/piercing howl then theres no chance the rogue can do enough dps to down the druid with my dots. Even if I fear the druid 3 times, Coil, and spell lock, mace stuns/hamstring procs will almost always ruin it for us. However, in 2300s 50% of the warriors don't cc the rogue. My advice is if you come across a good one queue dodge or call it for a bit. | |
| Faìth | Jul 19, 2008 - 1:02 PM (HideShow) |
| I usually open up on the warrior by dotting him into combat and dragging him behind the pillar so that his druid has to get into the open to heal him, which is when my rogue kidney shots the warrior so that I can quickly get a fear off on the druid. The druid then trinkets, gets blinded, vanish sapped, during which we quickly finish off the warrior, if needed throw another fear on the druid as sap's running out. Have only lost vs war/dru once now due to imba macestun procs =D. Then again I'm quite new to the setup so only time will tell if it's viable vs better teams. | |
| Gekkejager | Jul 31, 2008 - 6:09 AM (HideShow) |
| We usually open on the warrior, when the druid pops blind him to make him trinket. Then my rogue stuns the druid while I dot everything. If the warr goes on my rogue to peel, then I spam incinerate with dots on warrior and he's death. | |
| Selith | Aug 24, 2008 - 5:03 PM (HideShow) |
| When I see this combo I literally say easy win. I have my rogue rush a sap on the warrior and then we search for the druid. with all of the detect invisibility, it isn't too hard. So we find druid stunlock, burst damage he dies, rogue vanishes I CoEx warrior bandage whatever, kill him. | |
| Loneninja | Aug 31, 2008 - 6:38 AM (HideShow) |
| Loneninja | Aug 31, 2008 - 6:40 AM (HideShow) |
| @ Selith: 1. Warriors never stay in battle stance if they know theres a possibility of being sapped. (berserker stance -> berserker rage) 2. Detect Invisibility doesn't help with stealth detection. It helps see lesser invisibility. For example: mages using invisible, warlock's succubus, etc. 3. coex is only effective for a few seconds on a warrior really. Those few seconds come after he uses intercept in which youll have to trinket hamstring to get away before its logical to even use it | |
| Deadslord | Aug 31, 2008 - 3:40 PM (HideShow) |
| Warr cannot be cced as easy as druid i prefer to open on the warr | |
 Waiwai | Oct 1, 2008 - 3:43 AM (HideShow) |
| When i played rogue warlock on my lock i used to kite warrior (gnome helps) and layout us much dps as possible until druid poped out, then my rogue just stunned the druid, blind = trinket = vanish garrotte, if warrior not dead by then lock fail or u get the lock to kite the warrior round a pillar whilst your rogue controls the druid. btw sac a void at the start and dont pussyfoot around so the shield runs out......... oh and on another note selith....that is the dumbest statement i have every heard anybody make......plz read | |
| Camthejedi | Oct 2, 2008 - 11:44 AM (HideShow) |
| in my opinion its easiest to just start hard on war making sure lock is line of sight from charge and wait for druid to come out. once druid is out start fearing and have your rogue stun when needed on war to fear druid once again. you might have los issues or trouble with pummels but use pet bite as a n emergency for 24/7 cc. after all fears plus bite/death coil, rogue goes and blinds then saps if nuby druid trinckets anything before hand. then you just finish war off. i have been ccing druid killing war everygame and almost never lose. | |
| Dandar | Oct 10, 2008 - 3:46 PM (HideShow) |
| Yeah, we usually just focus the warrior. Because the druid will often wait about 3-5 seconds or so before comming out to heal, and the warrior will already be at like 70%HP. Right when the druid comes out, just blind, he'll trinket that if there is enough pressure on the warrior, then the druid has to eat 20 seconds of fear (Including DC) And then an aditional 3 second silence. Haven't lost to a warrior druid with this strat yet. | |
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