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General Information
Hello, this is Absolutely from Hyjal-Whirlwind. As requested, I will be writing a 2v2 strategy guide for running the Priest/Warlock set up. This is all written from the Priest's point of view, if you have any questions, feel free to contact me through the comments below or on my server, Hyjal. Any feedback is welcomed.
Strengths
Many of you probably wonder, "How the hell does this comp work" or "Wt****, they prob wintraded" or maybe even "HOW THE **** DO YOU LOSE TO THAT?!". Well it's simple, although it may not seem very strong at start, if played right it has great potential. The variety of battle play this comp can do is simply amazing in my opinion. However ever since the mana burn nerf, it hasn't been very effective playing drain games. Although it still works, however chain fearing a healer while the teammate has full dots and bursting someone down is most effective.
Weaknesses
Honestly, any good Rogue can lock a Warlock down pretty easily. It really depends though, you can tell if the Rogue is good or not depending on what they interrupt and how much they can be faked. Warriors can also tear a warlock apart so fast, their basically Rogues on steroids. Due to Charge being equivalent to a cold blood and it being on such a low cool down, Warrior/healer may be the only team that it may be frustrating and difficult winning against. Also some double dps may prove rather difficult due to high burst and such.
General Guidelines
Strengths
Many of you probably wonder, "How the hell does this comp work" or "Wt****, they prob wintraded" or maybe even "HOW THE **** DO YOU LOSE TO THAT?!". Well it's simple, although it may not seem very strong at start, if played right it has great potential. The variety of battle play this comp can do is simply amazing in my opinion. However ever since the mana burn nerf, it hasn't been very effective playing drain games. Although it still works, however chain fearing a healer while the teammate has full dots and bursting someone down is most effective.
Weaknesses
Honestly, any good Rogue can lock a Warlock down pretty easily. It really depends though, you can tell if the Rogue is good or not depending on what they interrupt and how much they can be faked. Warriors can also tear a warlock apart so fast, their basically Rogues on steroids. Due to Charge being equivalent to a cold blood and it being on such a low cool down, Warrior/healer may be the only team that it may be frustrating and difficult winning against. Also some double dps may prove rather difficult due to high burst and such.
General Guidelines
- Demon Armor should be the main armor used for 2's with the exception when fighting caster/healer teams. Ret/healer is another team you could use Fel armor if you don't find yourself dropping too fast.
- Always keep shields up before match starts.
- Set up a demonic circle somewhere before fight starts.
- As the Priest, I always try to stay top on mana when fighting healer/dps teams. I often Power Word: Shield/Renew/PoM my warlock and go drink. If your locks pet gets focused, you can fear and health funnel it while you drink.
- If they dispel your buffs and reset the fight, just rebuff, with glyph of fort, its like 461 mana to Re-fort.
- Most of the fights require good positioning. Such as if the rogue is on your warlock, then as the priest sit by a pillar and after topping your warlock with heals and a HoT try drinking behind the pillar. Also if you stand opposite side of the healer, you can MC the rogue and play with him when he has full DoTs.
- If your warlock partner is like mine, he'll do a demonic battle cry before engaging the arena match to pump himself up.
- Never mana burn as soon as something is feared, get it off while theres 2-3 seconds left on fear for maximum lock down on enemy player.
- At the beginning of the match, dispel as much of the enemy team's buffs as possible. -duh
Builds
Priest
57/14/0
I like to run as 57/14, there are many ways you can spec as 57/14. Some of things I'd like to pick up that some others may not take would be, Enlightment: Priests can do a lot of things, they can heal, dps, mana burn, and whatever they have left. Having 6% extra haste could prove to be quite useful for situations like getting a mana burn off before a healer goes out of LoS. Another talent I choose to take would be, Divine Aegis: A lot of people would consider it like a PvE talent, but since double dps with rogues where their initial burst is like insane, having an extra shield on their kill target could change the game. Also before your about to go drink you could Shield->Penance and if you get some crits you could give your warlock an extra like 4.5k shield if they all crit. I have like 11% spell crit, with weaken soul on my target, it makes it around 15% chance to crit, its not bad to pick it up. Whatever spec should work as long as it has the basics however, but it really depends on whatever suits your play style best.
I like to run as 57/14, there are many ways you can spec as 57/14. Some of things I'd like to pick up that some others may not take would be, Enlightment: Priests can do a lot of things, they can heal, dps, mana burn, and whatever they have left. Having 6% extra haste could prove to be quite useful for situations like getting a mana burn off before a healer goes out of LoS. Another talent I choose to take would be, Divine Aegis: A lot of people would consider it like a PvE talent, but since double dps with rogues where their initial burst is like insane, having an extra shield on their kill target could change the game. Also before your about to go drink you could Shield->Penance and if you get some crits you could give your warlock an extra like 4.5k shield if they all crit. I have like 11% spell crit, with weaken soul on my target, it makes it around 15% chance to crit, its not bad to pick it up. Whatever spec should work as long as it has the basics however, but it really depends on whatever suits your play style best.
Warlock
54/17/0
Affliction for 2's, Dual spec Affliction/Destro for 3's and 5's.
Glyphs
Priest:
Glyph of Penance: Obviously, standard glyph
Glyph of Inner fire: Priests are clothies, we don't tend to die to casters. If we were to die, it most likely be to the hands of a melee. Glyph of inner fire grants about an additional 5% less physical damage taken from melee. Over a long period of time vs. Melee/Healer, if they focus the priest, the damage reduction would surely help.
Glyph of Pain Suppresion: Pain suppressioning your warlock while your sapped when fighting rogue mage is useful. Also useful when someone opens on you. Especially Rogue/Mage, Ret/Rogue, Rogue/Dk, and every other melee zerg with stuns.
Warlock:
Glyph of Corruption: An extra shadow trance from RnG could win the game.
Glyph of Shadowflame: Situations where this may be useful- Shadowflame a rogue then teleport so you can kite the rogue longer, Shadowflame glyph helps against most teams with melee, although not very effective for warriors due to their high mobility.
Glyph of Unstable Affliction: Harder for melee to interrupt.
Macros
Look at AJ Macros
Affliction for 2's, Dual spec Affliction/Destro for 3's and 5's.
Glyphs
Priest:
Glyph of Penance: Obviously, standard glyph
Glyph of Inner fire: Priests are clothies, we don't tend to die to casters. If we were to die, it most likely be to the hands of a melee. Glyph of inner fire grants about an additional 5% less physical damage taken from melee. Over a long period of time vs. Melee/Healer, if they focus the priest, the damage reduction would surely help.
Glyph of Pain Suppresion: Pain suppressioning your warlock while your sapped when fighting rogue mage is useful. Also useful when someone opens on you. Especially Rogue/Mage, Ret/Rogue, Rogue/Dk, and every other melee zerg with stuns.
Warlock:
Glyph of Corruption: An extra shadow trance from RnG could win the game.
Glyph of Shadowflame: Situations where this may be useful- Shadowflame a rogue then teleport so you can kite the rogue longer, Shadowflame glyph helps against most teams with melee, although not very effective for warriors due to their high mobility.
Glyph of Unstable Affliction: Harder for melee to interrupt.
Macros
Look at AJ Macros
Gear
Priest
I generally wear some PvE gear in arenas because I find some Ulduar 25man gear to be insanely good. Such as Intensity: A staff with like 120 hit rating, 550 spell power, high amount of Int, spirit, and stam. It looks pretty good to me, especially the hit rating. No more need to stack some hit gear from furious accessories. Scale of Fates: Macro that and Power Infusion would be around 30%~ haste, useful for mana burning and getting quick heals off against double dps.
I keep around 750ish resilience for 2v2 because I don't find myself instantly gibbed that often. I feel like it's enough.
I keep around 750ish resilience for 2v2 because I don't find myself instantly gibbed that often. I feel like it's enough.
Warlock
Around 750ish resilience should be enough. Stacking spell power to instigate more pressure on the other team is useful. You really shouldn't be getting like instantly gibbed. If you find yourself dying quite fast with this much resilience, you could get glyph of soul link over glyph of UA. However it should be enough. 129 spell pen is standard for most warlocks. Around 5% hit should be enough. The hit rating you get from furious accessories should be enough.
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Matchups
Comments: | |
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 Bodileto | May 25, 2009 - 2:53 PM (HideShow) |
| What about destro lock and a disc priest? I am thinking of trying this and have seen teams effectively use this combo. the main strat is mana burn the healr, then when the time is right: seduce the healr or dps, and warlock burst the other person, the priest will normally have enough mana and can also dps... destro warlocks can easily control many classes and with some heals are virtually unstoppable... also the burst a warlock can do is incredible, if u can get out a MC the warlock may be able to burst some1 down in 15sec... even a rogue since choas bolt goes through clock of shadows. | |
  Miyalol | May 25, 2009 - 6:16 PM (HideShow) |
| nop | |
 Cheben | May 25, 2009 - 6:44 PM (HideShow) |
| thanks alot for this guide mate bless you | |
| Lasercat | May 25, 2009 - 8:03 PM (HideShow) |
| Warrior/paladin. Any start? Srsly buttfucked against some deadly glad yesterday. | |
| Olinimlol | May 25, 2009 - 10:34 PM (HideShow) |
| wat | |
 Badpriest | May 25, 2009 - 11:34 PM (HideShow) |
| do you guys stream at all? | |
| Noxturnal | May 26, 2009 - 2:09 AM (HideShow) |
| Good Guide. I appreciate all the advice you have provide me after I bombarded you with messages. We just hit 2350 and the only team that current feels impossible to beat are good warrior/healer teams so I look forward to reading those strats. | |
 Yakarue | May 26, 2009 - 2:22 AM (HideShow) |
| I play an affliction lock at the moment and I was wondering what people were doing for talents in regards to Eradication vs. Death's Embrace and whether or not to get Improved Fear. I would love to chat about different strats if anyone is up for it. Just send me an email, you should be able to find it in my profile. | |
| Sclerosis | May 26, 2009 - 6:10 AM (HideShow) |
| This team is so fun to play. I pretty much do the same thing in my priest lock team. We hot the 2000s this week. I really want to see the strats for a Mirror fight I was fighting against another team same comp and we got owned cause we didn't know what to do. | |
| Flashy | May 26, 2009 - 2:22 PM (HideShow) |
| Nice Guide!! But how do you deal with Shaman/DK? Against this setup we have the most probs. Would love to here some tips / strats against this comp. | |
| Asmodéan | May 27, 2009 - 10:17 AM (HideShow) |
| Great, thanks for the guide!!! | |
| Bastax | May 27, 2009 - 1:09 PM (HideShow) |
| Chris is affli or destro in 2v2? | |
 Xtera | May 27, 2009 - 9:00 PM (HideShow) |
| my partner and I are having the most problems with DK/Priest , warrior/shammy combo's. Because the dk is keeping our priest or I busy he cant mana drain (im the lock). Any suggestions against those comps? | |
| Shuttle | May 28, 2009 - 3:34 PM (HideShow) |
| This comp, more than anything else that I've played, should and must utilize mind control. I wouldn't glyph Pain Suppression; go for the mind control glyph. Also, for either player, you can't afford to go too overboard with PvE gear either. As a priest, 750 resilience feels low. You want to have as much SP as possible, but with tier 2 furious weapon you don't really need to gem it; it's a huge upgrade for most people, and resilience is still very important for ret paladin teams and double dps melee or mage/rogue. It IS a double cloth comp, and warlocks really don't have an "oh shit" button either (other than portal), so it's important to make sure you don't get carried away and forget to take care of your stam/resil first. You should add Dk/ X comps next! | |
| Meyvn | May 29, 2009 - 12:36 AM (HideShow) |
| I'm just wondering what makes haunt the most desired spec for this comp? All the dots just seems like druid healers would lol and faceroll while their partner murdered you... but with the affliction spec do you just dot them up and drain life until nightfall procs while chain fearing the other person? | |
| Shuttle | May 29, 2009 - 1:08 AM (HideShow) |
| Well, the damage is much more sustainable than destro. Anyone who can hump a pillar can minimize damage output of a destro lock, so it's very difficult to burst someone down in most cases. On the flipside, you can drop players in less than 2 seconds on occasion, so it's not a poor choice by any means. It's just personal preference. I played destro/priest this season up to 2200 and ran into problems sustaining damage with my lock, so we went back to haunt, which worked better for us. So to answer your question, whatever fits your play style :D | |
| çhris | May 29, 2009 - 9:37 AM (HideShow) |
| Bastax, i am affliction for 2v2 and destro/affliction dual spec switches for 3v3/5v5. Meyvn, pretty much, you just dot both targets while draining the druid oom then when he innervates either devour it off or your priest dispels it off, leave pet on druid and your set. | |
| Rooibos | May 29, 2009 - 11:46 AM (HideShow) |
| Nice Guide. Do you have any hints vs. Prot Paladin Teams? We can't manage to win vs them due to undispellable and never ending divine plea. Especially paired with a Melee | |
| Rooibos | May 29, 2009 - 11:49 AM (HideShow) |
| also how much do you drain mana vs. druids? my lock mate is convinced that he can drain the druid faster via damage and hardly ever drains. i cant imagine ooming a druid with the current state of barkskin and innervate. whats the trick in getting it off while its covered by 3 dots + barkskin? | |
| Aimadox | May 29, 2009 - 4:01 PM (HideShow) |
| Lovely guide and thanks both of u! | |
| Betruger | May 30, 2009 - 1:28 AM (HideShow) |
| With the new innervate druid/warrior is much harder and should be dodged at all cost imo. And def always be draining druids once at least your instant dots are up. After resil its roughly 2% of the druids man/second. Drain mana is highly underrated atm, if the enemy is on your priest do your best to peel but concentrate on your mana drains just like the priest goes for them while you are focused. Prot pallies are pretty much impossible to oom we have found, play defensively and have your priest drink rather than burn. A full fear into a spelllock (100% casted heals) while his partner is in a bad position is how you win this match so be patient. I have found the only hardcounter to be shaman/rogue for obvious reasons. | |
| Yakarue | May 30, 2009 - 2:25 AM (HideShow) |
| Anyone have opinions on Imp fear and Eradication vs Deaths Embrace? Are people really using the soulflame glyph for the slowdown and should I be using glyph of UA or soul Link? Also, does anyone have any good tips for rogue comps? Whenever we go up against a good rogue, fakes are out of the question and I just get KS if I do. I literally get stuck in one spot the entire time, minus teleport every 30 sec. Thanks! | |
| Abulafia | May 30, 2009 - 6:07 AM (HideShow) |
| Quick question....you mentioned a demonic battlecry there before match...can you explain please? | |
 Nightprince | May 30, 2009 - 5:42 PM (HideShow) |
| Eradication is sweet regardless of the situation, 1 second cast fear is win, dont depend on ImpFear, it will only help vs melee, and warriors and palas and rogues all have no problems at all reaching u when ur playing with a priest. Deaths Embrace is not an option imo. glyph i prefer are soul link corruption and shadowflame. $hadowflame is for 2 purposes. peeling enemies off of ur healer, and slowing down all melee classes before u teleport. slightly uselful if u hit shadowflame on a healer when u've already used all ur cds, preventing him from reaching his partner on the other side of the pillar. Requesting from OP more guides versus Rshammies. Totemstomping is our only obvious option, and getting a gib is easy if u get off a nice cc chain with a nightfall procc etc like in maddie's video, but its harder than it sounds, if u send on the pet on the shammy he regens hp, and if u dont send the pet he drinks, and if ur healer tries to run after him for burns --->wolf + drink somewhere else. frustrating although kills are easier vs shammies than vs other healing classes, but would still very much like to know the flagnog i'm supposed to beat shammy/rogue.. | |
 Neferati | May 31, 2009 - 5:45 AM (HideShow) |
| im running this combo, and finding it hard to win vs resto shammy teams. via totems earth shock and their parteners cc's i get locked out (pun not intended) and cant bring my dmg to bear for long enough. i generally try kiting them away from totems as that is uor main probllem and have my pet kill em...but it never seem to be enough 80% of the time.. how do u approach these teams? | |
| Aimadox | May 31, 2009 - 7:06 AM (HideShow) |
| @Abulafia , he screams on vent to pump himself up its a warlock ritual that gives u OVER 9000 spell dmg :) | |
| Bodileto | May 31, 2009 - 10:59 AM (HideShow) |
| warlocks should have howl of terror glyph not ua | |
| Coniption | May 31, 2009 - 11:15 PM (HideShow) |
| hmm highest rated warlock uses UA glyph... Im pretty sure he's bound to be right | |
| Absolutely | Jun 1, 2009 - 12:15 AM (HideShow) |
| I'll add more strats later, Im getting lazy | |
| Absolutely | Jun 1, 2009 - 12:18 AM (HideShow) |
| I don't usually have trouble with DK teams as Priest/Lock so I didn't bother making them :X | |
| Yakarue | Jun 1, 2009 - 12:28 AM (HideShow) |
| I would like to hear more thoughts on glyphs. Is corruption worth it? soul link? HoT? sf? deathcoil? I would like to see what people are using and their reasoning behind it | |
| Rooibos | Jun 2, 2009 - 6:45 AM (HideShow) |
| how can you not have a problem with druid/dk? ^^ | |
| Aimadox | Jun 2, 2009 - 8:01 AM (HideShow) |
| Because u mana burn the druid that camps in tree of life and stays in los ! | |
| Blazedcurse | Jun 2, 2009 - 12:45 PM (HideShow) |
| Very grateful for these guides you two, keep it up! | |
| Oshiba | Jun 2, 2009 - 1:54 PM (HideShow) |
| I have been playing destro/disc and it's amazing. My lock will always pop a fear in order to gain dominant CC standing so our team can be the first to burst dmg on them. After the fear I give him Power Infusion and he immolates, conflagrates, and chaos bolts or whatever it is that destro locks do. Typically, his fel hunter and I together will have the healer CCed enough for the dps to die instantaneously. | |
| Bodileto | Jun 4, 2009 - 8:06 PM (HideShow) |
| i think howl of terror is a better glyph than ua, its more instant fears which is great against melees and perfect if u can use it between the dps and its healer.(obviously also great for double dps teams too). also ua and haunt are on the same timer so if u cast them together the gcd will be less, its the equivolent of having 2 of the same melee speed weapons. when i ran this in s4 (plan on running it next week too in 3s and 2s) i would use howl then full dots then drain the healer, fear the dps follow healer and just los game. sorry if my spelling is bad i have a fever atm. also i like shadowflame against rogues, dks and warriors. corruption is nice, but if u had a deep obsension with ua i would take ua over it, i may do that if it makes sense in 2s. but really its a fear and follow game while draining and dispelling. i dislike sl cuz its very little migration and it kills ur pet faster truely in double dps. deathcoil is too little to take notice. | |
  Donefor | Jun 5, 2009 - 1:13 AM (HideShow) |
| How do you guys do against Feral Druid/Resto Shaman? | |
| Yakarue | Jun 5, 2009 - 1:42 PM (HideShow) |
| @ Donefor If the feral druid is good, you lose. If the druid goes on you, then there is a chance to take the win. But I have gone up against a few feral teams where they went straight to my pet and we literally could not heal it fast enough before it died(me using improved health funnel and my priest heal spamming it). If the shammy is good and keeps her totems down it is extremely difficult to keep the druid feared between beserker, their reduced fear talent, and the totems. Totem stomping is much more difficult when your pet is dying within 10 seconds. Your only chance to getting a win on this team is to catch the shammy offguard when you manage to get a full set of DoTs on the druid. Either fear or MC (i play with a priest) the shammy AFTER she has already blown her trinket then nuke the druid down and get a DS off. If you want to get fancy, after you get the DS off you can MC the druid so it cannot be healed and it forces to shaman to choose which person to interrupt. Good news is, you rarely run into feral druids in the upper brackets. One thing I would like a few opinions on is rogues. Over the last few weeks I have been learning how to fake cast and I have gotten fairly good at it; however, I simply cannot seem to fake cast rogues. Between kick, KS, and gouge even if I do dodge one, I just get hit by the other. It takes me almost 20 seconds before I can get a fear off on the rogue (assuming HoT and DC is spent). Anyone have any strats for that? | |
| Meyvn | Jun 6, 2009 - 1:32 PM (HideShow) |
| How bout DK/Disc... we always get rolled against them | |
| Yakarue | Jun 6, 2009 - 2:05 PM (HideShow) |
| focus=priest --> focus spell lock macro (spell lock mana burns). Once priest uses trinket and ams is on CD, fully DoT the DK and have your priest fear the enemy priest then both of you nuke the DK down, game. | |
| Neferati | Jun 8, 2009 - 9:52 PM (HideShow) |
| yesterday we were doin so well...then we faced a team we think we can never beat. Bm hunter, rogue. they sapped me on the 1st few meetings and dps'ed my priest down..and even after trinketting the following blind myu priest was alrdy dead. id almsot kill the bm hunter but the rogue would vanish and rape me right after. other games we ran to the hunter and fully dotted him up....and timed fears to get the rogue out......i then got gouged which i waited then trinketed blind, but tsitll nothing. My main issue is that when they pop everything i cant do ANY cc at all. i cant fear or silence the hunter (well i can but it dont efect most abilities) during wrath,a dn the rogue cloaks right off the bat making it impossible to him off my priest...so when im not cc'd i try and burst the hunter..but that leaves me with a rogue to deal with and after blowing almost eerything to ge tthe hunter down im left with little vs the rogue. HOW WOULD ANY OFF U GUYS APPROACH SUCH A TEAM? | |
| Neferati | Jun 8, 2009 - 9:59 PM (HideShow) |
| as to the above...disc/dk team. dpeends on what the dk does. i sit my pet on the priest, spl locking and mana burns early on. i split my dots, kill the dk pet....thats a must. if u find they kill ur pet, get the vdub (voidwalker) out...but he must always keep the priest in combat. basically the whole game im trying to get the dk to focus me. either that or kiting them with sf/exhaustion which ive found trumps chains if ur priest is good on dispells (and u are too). basically its who ever goes oom first i find... if there priest goes for the mana burn option when uve fully dotted em..let him burn...save ur cd's and catching him when he heals. these fights are generally very long, but ive found as aff, u dont have enough cd's to beatthe dk ina 'get the ehaler down race'. so try and give ur healer as mch room as possible and split em up with fears and los. gl >< | |
| Meyvn | Jun 9, 2009 - 4:35 AM (HideShow) |
| Have had some more success recently against Disc/DK, and really just DK's in general. But now climbing over the 1500 hump, I find myself pitted against a Warr/Healer comp... in which 90% of the time... can you guess the outcome? Really what I'm trying to say is... WTF DO I DO TO KILL A WARRIOR ZOMGWTFAMGQQQQ. We've encountered all four of the possible Warr/Heal comps... with virtually no success with any of them. I've tried CoEx kiting the warrior while he's dotted and still trying to keep the healer feared... doesn't work. I've tried sort of ignoring the warrior, dotting, fearing and mana burn/draining the healer... doesn't work. I mean I'm running Howl of Terror/SL/Corr glyphs, but if I can't CoEx kite then really is Shadowflame Glyph going to make a diff? TBH, I'm new to arenaing this season, I had Challenger from S2, and haven't arena'd at all until... last week? I feel we've done well to counter most comps, but is there a counter to Warr/Healer for a Disc/Aff 2s? | |
| Meyvn | Jun 9, 2009 - 4:35 AM (HideShow) |
| ^^Sorry for wall of text, got caught up in the moment. | |
| Meyvn | Jun 9, 2009 - 4:41 AM (HideShow) |
| I lie... I use UA glyph not Corr... I'm bad lol, should I switch to Shadowflame for melee purposes... because I constantly find myself being interrupted while Haunt/UA/Fearing against any good melee that still has all their fingers intact and eyes in their sockets. | |
| Shredmywheat | Jun 9, 2009 - 5:07 PM (HideShow) |
| @ çhris/Absolutely, I read this section: "Demon Armor should be the main armor used for 2's with the exception when fighting caster/healer teams." I haven't seen anyone use Demon Armor for ages, so I was really amazed when I saw this, as most use Fel Armor (talking about overall though) for all that extra Sp, and the health regen is pretty nice. Is this what most people use, or you yourself have found? I'm just wondering b/c I've never seen it used before, especially in PvP. Thanks for your time, Shred | |
| Lunaatj | Jun 9, 2009 - 6:14 PM (HideShow) |
| I recently started playing with my RL friend, a warlock. He has 830 resil, 1737 spellpower(unbuffed) 23k health(unbuffed). 5/5 hatefull, full furious honor except from one part I believe. I got 993 resil, 2096 spellpower (unbuffed) 22k health(unbuffed). I got Full deadly, full furious honor except for 1 part. However we're completly clueless as what to do against resto shaman + x or rogue + x. We've tried every possible way against resto shamans, from draining him without having the locks pet on him, to having the pet on him, draining him, from trying to kill him. But we just can't get him down. Any other healer is no problem at all. Rogues are just a pain. :/ They either lock me, or my warlock down 70% of the time, there's nothing we can do, that we know of atleast. My warlock plays 54/17/0 Affliction, I play 60/11/0 Discipline. I'd like some advise what to do against those 2 classes. PS: Nice guide all together. :) | |
| Speachless | Jun 10, 2009 - 1:20 AM (HideShow) |
| My team has no problem with shammans. We just dot everything and MC where needed and MAKE SURE TO RID TOTEMS. Shamans are pretty normal w/o totems and very vulnerable. Rogues however are very difficult. As long as you / your lock can survive the first burst it is usually a win against double dps. But if it is rogue healer, then you may want to have your lock dot the rogue up with many dots then MC it los of the heals and have the lock dot the heals to have the heals distracted and let the dots burn out on both. But as long as you can keep your lock up AND try your best to keep the rogue los it's heals it is a win. A smart warlock is key here though. And good communication. | |
| Senaelanna | Jun 10, 2009 - 5:20 AM (HideShow) |
| Could you do a strat vs dk/druid? We seem to have a huge amount of problems with them. We can always get one pretty low but between ams/ghoul sac it makes it impossible to kill one. | |
| Neferati | Jun 10, 2009 - 10:51 PM (HideShow) |
| @mevyn - depends on the healer and the arena with war/healer teams. disc priest/ warrior is our hardest match we feel. use of mc on the bem arena when up top is ur winner. vs druids u have juggle banish fear and kite the warrior. ill go voer resto shammy teams in a another reply. as for the shadowflame glyph..i found it to be awesome for kiting. it plues coex is the best kite in the game..with chains of ice a close 2nd. @shred- demon armour is king sadly. if ur clever u can armour swap if ur not being focused. but the extra armour and healing recieved is a must with all ur squishyness. in 3's i do use fel armour unless i become the 1st target. @lunaatj - shaman teams are difficult. totem stomp as much as possible...but if u can once engaged drag them away from there totems. generally i try and caatch the shaman or his partener at 10k up through dot pressure then tell my priest to dps while i dc/spl lock/ fear the healer. trying to bring it to that pt is ahrd but it can be done. u just have to kite there dps...or lock then down as much as possible. -rogue teams are hard if there with an immune partener (ret pally/ dk / bm hunter) and we generally lose. with heals they become easier. just burst the rogue after hes popped cloak, and cc his heler with fear/spl lock/ mc /dc. with most of there teams ull need ur priest to help with the dps by adding his dots aswell. cleaver use of sf and teleport should give u some space vs the rogue. @senaelanna - agasint any dk team..kill the pet right off the bat...and kill it each tiem it pops up...keep ur pet on the druid and keep it healed. if u find it dies bring out the vw as he shhould survive much longer. as the priet just mana burn the druid when he coems to heal..keep ur lock toppped off but he sould be abel to mitigate most of the dmg and kite him pretty well. ur lock needs to keep the dk on him..either thrugh dps or u los. as long as their druid doesnt ge to drink u should be able to win most of the time. just keep pressure on both players, abolish diesease up..and u | |
| Shredmywheat | Jun 10, 2009 - 11:01 PM (HideShow) |
| Thanks Neferati for the confirming the Demon Armor statement. Just a reply to Luunaatj & add-on to Speachless: I may not be in 2k rating, but when versing a Rogue + healer, I always get the Rogue out of stealth, stick my pet on him, and keep on constant CoEx + fears, and always keeping up Ua + Corr on all targets for the instant Shadow bolts. Then I basically stick all I have on the priest, and with the right CC timing, they usually will drop, though I obviously use a quick focus spell lock macro for my felhunter to help w/ the CC. *Also, lucky for us in these situations as an Aff lock mana is in your favor even w/ the Priest's mana drains against your healer - if he's mana draining you, that's just pointless. And as far as dk's go, I find it very useful to keep Corr on his pet for the extra shadow bolt instant casts, and if he's unholy and pops his Gargoyle I also pop Corr on him as well. So basically when his Gargoyle provides him with positive bonuses, he also increases my chance to gain an instant shadow bolt by 25%. Therefore, it' much easier to bring down whatever target your mainly focusing on. These are just my opinions and they have seemed to work for me, not to jack the thread gudie or anything, just thought I'd show some of my theory/insight. Anyways, @ Absolutely,thanks much for your time spent with the guide. | |
| Neferati | Jun 10, 2009 - 11:58 PM (HideShow) |
| My priest shackles the gargoyle... seem to work fine | |
| Borizuka | Jun 11, 2009 - 2:01 AM (HideShow) |
| Again I'm not high rated or anything but I find in my BG, versing any priest/dps we can only keep dots on one target due to the priest using PoM. Which heals for a lot! Fair enough though, I use it in the same way. :) Against rogue/priest, it's essential that you survive the initial CC/Burst, despite watching in painfully your partner die while you are sapped. That's when the Pain Suppression glyph comes in handy. | |
| Sclerosis | Jun 11, 2009 - 3:48 AM (HideShow) |
| wow I dropped from the 2015 to 1800s because of Shaman X. @#$$@ Shamans | |
  Odyzeus | Jun 11, 2009 - 6:39 PM (HideShow) |
| Warlock/rogue? We always loose vs this setup.. I'm a desto Warlock Odypody Sylvanas ream | |
| Yakarue | Jun 12, 2009 - 2:04 AM (HideShow) |
| Rogues have been my bane for the last few days, all of the teams we faced were rogue + healer and we dropped over 100 points. Let's just throw this out there, a list of rogue spell breakers: gouge(8 sec cd, 4 sec incapacitate), kick (5 second silence), Kidney Shot (20 sec CD, 2-6 sec incapacitate), Cloak of Shadows (2 min CD + brief virtual immunity to spells). So let's see how long it takes to cast one fear assuming no HoT and no DC. Rogue is on me with full combo points > casting fear, KS for 6 sec > casting fear, kicked for 5 seconds > casting fear, gouged for 4 seconds (roughly) > casting fear, oh wait kick is up again one sec into cast > casting fear, and now KS is up. Add in a cloak of shadows and guess what? You dont ever cast fear. Oh, and if they are undead they have two fear trinkets and since the rogue has you so locked down, I see priests just eat fear/occasional UA because I can't touch them anyways. I know there are other ways to create space via tele, DC, SF, and HoT but considering there is no way to move with that damn poison on you, it is just a matter of a moment before he is on me again. I would appreciate more comments on rogues pretty please. Also, should my priest use the spec that allows his crits to bubble me for the sake of melee mitigation even though he sacrifices improved MB? He knows his class better than me so I don't want to tell him what to do and his reasoning may be completely sound but I was hoping for some third party comments as well. | |
| Neferati | Jun 12, 2009 - 9:28 AM (HideShow) |
| agianst rogues.....shadowflame glyph and tleeport is ur friend..as far as getting fears off is concerned..as is howl. i good rogue wont stun lcoka a rogue..eh'll space it out so that he himself cant get bursted at all. these matches agaisnt smart rogues take awhile.bacially u ahve to keep at dpsing the rogue...and then when he pops cloak get rdy to sf then port...both ur prest dps the rogue then when hes getting about half hp..u start cc'ing the priest with dc and spl lock..maybe fear if u can get it off. ona nother note...im fridgen pissed about immune cleave teams (rogue + dk/ret/bm huntard) me or my priets die during the sap..which if we break we get a full duration blind...and if we dont we dont get enoug time to dps one of then down, b4 we get raped (with no trinket). it makes me mad that so little cc can be used with so much dmg and to be able t do nothing. one match i had no dmg and healing..while my priest had liek 4k healing due to alrdy ticking hots! anyway thats my qq..hope that rogue healer combo strat helps a little >< | |
| Neferati | Jun 12, 2009 - 9:28 AM (HideShow) |
| i hope u can read that last post....was typing and watching the footy >< | |
| Neferati | Jun 12, 2009 - 9:32 AM (HideShow) |
| what fustrates me most actually..is getting caught up agisnt all these melee cleave combos, while not being able to face all the high rating healerr/dps combos which we roll with ease. sadly we got caught up with all these gimmick teams :( | |
| Absolutely | Jun 12, 2009 - 10:51 PM (HideShow) |
| Destruction/Disc works to some variation, but I've recently started 2's again and found Affliction strong still as well. If you guys have any specific questions, I'll do my best to answer them if you PM me | |
| Rooibos | Jun 14, 2009 - 6:48 PM (HideShow) |
| Absolutely, make a video please. I really need some input vs. DK, Feral and double Melee DPS teams. I can't understand how people can put out so much pressure with this comp. If my Lock is focused, i'm busy with healing. If i'm focused im busy with stayin alive. I can't outheal 2 dpsers when they have ms. Most of our matches are won by outmanaing the other healer (yep, sometimes even druids). Priest/Rogues work fine that way because rogue damage isn't that bad. but against priest/dk or priest/feral we can't win because of the insane damage output. every other healer comp we can manage to win against is only because one or both of them is affected by trisomy 21... | |
| Absolutely | Jun 14, 2009 - 9:00 PM (HideShow) |
| I have some footage for a video but not enough, I try to find some good players from Whirlwind to make videos, since a majority of Whirlwind is not very good. If the video were to be published it will be published by Chris sometime this summer. | |
| Rooibos | Jun 15, 2009 - 4:37 AM (HideShow) |
| great, thx :) | |
| Astarael | Jun 16, 2009 - 3:51 AM (HideShow) |
| Can't help but notice there are no strategies pertaining to Death knights, any help on that matter? | |
| Yakarue | Jun 16, 2009 - 9:41 PM (HideShow) |
| Learn how to fake cast and you are golden. Keep up shadow ward every time it is available. ->> Fake cast -> wait to see mind freeze -> cast fear -> pew pew. But if they are really good and out gear you, chances are you will lose. Equal gear, though, and you should beat them almost every time (assuming you know what you're doing). If he is frost and gets on your priest it can be a little harder... Frost Strike, need I say more? I got crit for 8k while wearing my resil set (1015 resil). hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... | |
| Yakarue | Jun 16, 2009 - 9:42 PM (HideShow) |
| P.S. wait for a death grip then shadowflame/CoEx and teleport for the win. | |
| Dbó | Jun 17, 2009 - 3:49 AM (HideShow) |
| @Absolutely, does chris ever go 2p t8/8.5 or just stick with straight pvp gear? | |
| Silthion | Jun 17, 2009 - 10:25 AM (HideShow) |
| Thanks for the great guide! I'm on Whirlwind, and we just started arena and are just getting our feet wet. One question from your General Guidelines above: "If your warlock partner is like mine, he'll do a demonic battle cry before engaging the arena match to pump himself up." ??? Demonic Battle Cry? What do you mean by this? | |
| Badpriest | Jun 18, 2009 - 12:32 AM (HideShow) |
| He means actually what he wrote. You need to do a Demonic Battle Cry IRL to win. | |
| Silthion | Jun 18, 2009 - 5:20 PM (HideShow) |
| LOL Maybe that's what I've been missing! I'll try it! :P | |
| Seopthi | Jun 18, 2009 - 8:10 PM (HideShow) |
| would this work with crit gear on priest? is mana a big deal in this setup? | |
| çhris | Jun 19, 2009 - 7:47 PM (HideShow) |
| unfortunately Dbó, i don't have access to tier gear cause i raid on my rogue, so no i don't, it is a pretty decent upgrade in conflag damage :/ | |
| ßetõ | Jun 19, 2009 - 9:31 PM (HideShow) |
| Is taking off points from healing focus from holy for holy specilization wise if the priest keep's dying with 860 resileince, and 23k heatlh? | |
| ßetõ | Jun 20, 2009 - 6:48 PM (HideShow) |
| Do any of you priests find it hard to stay alive vs a rogue? Seems like Priest keeps dying when rogue is on him eventually never fails. what am i doing wrong? | |
| Snugglelock | Jun 21, 2009 - 4:14 AM (HideShow) |
| any comments possibly on a destro lock spriest? thats what im running right now were both around 800 resil and dont have much problems with teams the only actual class that gives us problems are rogues and sometimes warriors... any possible comments to help us improve against all classes. we ran our first set today and went 6-3... rather would have went 9-0 but just any general strats towards all classes dks and the like? some of our kills are rather sloppy. | |
| Neferati | Jun 21, 2009 - 12:15 PM (HideShow) |
| just respec'd into destro...and went 16-6...i was..flaberghasted. hell i 4 shotted a pally in the 1st 10 seconds one match (imo,cb,conflag, and insta incin due to backlash) with all spls critting. pally was 800 res and 25k hp holy spec varient with a warrior (buffed). funny thing is..all the matches we lost has a rogue in them, and we beat anything that didnt. does anyone ahve any experience with destro and dealing with rogue teams...mainly rogue/priest and rogue/mage....rogue ret seems ok cos i can roll a ret pally in no time if he pops wings >< also note that i miss aff terribly....its so wierd after the 4 yr love affair >< | |
| Mastrèternus | Jun 22, 2009 - 4:42 PM (HideShow) |
| vs p/r... I die thru heals as does my pet. if theyre on priest we lose as well because the rogue nukes the priest down before i get out of sap to the point where we cant come back from it. WotF and trinket = win. :-/ can completely outplay them but still lose. vengeance bg. nuking a warlock thru heals and demon armor is fair. ya, they dont even have to cc fyi. | |
 Lorinchen | Jun 23, 2009 - 7:06 PM (HideShow) |
| i have a general question: as affliction do you use spell- or firestone in 2v2? couldn´t find any information on this in the forums or here. thanks | |
| Yakarue | Jun 25, 2009 - 11:26 AM (HideShow) |
| spell stone, no questions asked | |
| Yakarue | Jun 28, 2009 - 8:58 PM (HideShow) |
| So, let's hear some thoughts on changes to this combo come 3.2. Personally, I think that the change to resil will make this team a much more formidable combination. Basically, the lock does the same amount of damage but every other class will do less (and it looks like it will range from 10-15% damage reduction with enough resil). Also, pets will retain a certain amount of the owners resil. Hopefully this means the pet won't be the instant target. On the topic of pets, they also receive things like hit rating and spell pen, this means no more resisted spell locks, yay! Fel Domination being a 3 minute CD will make targeting the pet a bad idea. Let's hear some thoughts on these changes as well as how changes to other classes will affect this comp. | |
| Gustopher | Jun 30, 2009 - 2:00 PM (HideShow) |
| I would like to see a strat submitted for DK/druid. We have had a horrible time trying to beat them lately. | |
| Yakarue | Jun 30, 2009 - 2:16 PM (HideShow) |
| Use shadow ward every time it is available. If the DK goes on the priest time fears and shadowflames correctly and your healer will get away. Keep constant pressure on the DK and pull him away from his druid, this will force the druid to come out of LoS and be open to DoTs. Once you know that AMS is down and the druid has used his trinket, get a full set of DoTs onto the DK and make sure your pet is on him with DM turned on. After wards, have the priest catch the druid in a fear then both of you nuke the DK down. Chain the fear with a spell lock if desired. | |
| Warlockdave | Jul 2, 2009 - 4:02 PM (HideShow) |
| What do you guys do against rogue/mage? We got to 2200 pretty easily and can beat pretty much every other combo pretty consistently, but that one beats 90% of the time or more. For DK/druid, I usually try to CC the DK as much as possible, maybe throw COA/Corr on him to pressure the druid, and try to kill the druid. Unless he is really good at LOS this is usually pretty easy because once you get 2 shadow embrace on him his hots tick for 30% less (and priest/pet are devouring his buffs); get him under 50% and spell lock + death coil + DS generally finishes him off before my priest is in any real trouble. COE keeps the druid from getting away too much. | |
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