Strategies

Mage/Rogue

Author

Icycake
Altar of Storms
US-Nightfall

Mage/Rogue

VS.

Rogue/Warlock

Focus the Lock first. Chances are he is going to rush the Mage. Sap him and have the Mage Shatter combo. The Lock will jumps on the Rogue. Your Mage should be trying to get their Rogue off your Rogue. If the Rogue changes focus and attacks the Mage kite him as best you can: Ice Block, Blink, Novas. The Mage's Water Elemental and Rogue on a Lock should be enough to down him before your Mage dies.

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SpeedohFeb 27, 2008 - 6:03 AM (HideShow)
You cant shatter combo a warlock with half a brain.
ZuperdudeMar 5, 2008 - 9:13 PM (HideShow)
You can if your mage has half a brain
LuxbellMar 10, 2008 - 4:22 PM (HideShow)
No. you wont get the shatter combo of. and not only that, if u stand there and waste ur time csting a shatter combo, there is a real posibility you will get zapped by the other rogue, and well.. that is just a bad start. asides that, the strat is correct
SplitMar 12, 2008 - 5:42 PM (HideShow)
Open with ice lance.. Then begin your shatter combo while your rogue is stun-locking. If you were trying to go for a sap -> shatter combo then yes you would hit the problem you are suggesting. But that would be a silly mistake to make.
MackaveliMar 14, 2008 - 10:53 AM (HideShow)
if the rogue gets on ur mage its auto win cause he can just iceblok while the warlock dies
PuwetMar 19, 2008 - 7:16 PM (HideShow)
when he is sapped, duh?

okay now the warlock has to go down because the rogue is trying to pull your rogue off the warlock. blind the rogue at first glance to see if he pops his trinket, if he does the mage don't have to worry about kiting.. because he will be baaaaaa-aaaaaaaa 'n him. if he doesn't this is the perfect time to do a shatter combo on the warlock to aid the dps'n. As a mage you should always be max distance away from the warlock because you need to be away from the blind as well when you start your shatter.

the rogue has all his talents worked in VERY well against the warlock and can lock him down for a long time if left alone. The mage really wants to free the rogue's attack by snaring the other rogue down so the rogue can rotate out of the rogue's distance and still attack the warlock. As long as the elemental you (rogue) are on the warlock the rogue has no chance and not enough dps to take anyone of you down.

And if things don't work out the way you want ICE BLOCK + VANISH.. try to sap and start the stun lock CC rotation again and BURN them out!
YoudienowMar 21, 2008 - 1:17 PM (HideShow)
You can get shatter combo off if rogue saps warlock and then CS felhunter. :P But smarter to let rogue open on warlock and skip initial shatter combo.

Do some ice lance or whatever on rogue to give your sheeps some resistance to pet devour.
VictusApr 10, 2008 - 6:05 PM (HideShow)
This is another match where an early iceblock can really help your chances. I dont like to go for shatter combos. There are just too many ways for this team to lock down your frost tree. Just use pet nova, icelance and first blast and let your rogue wear down the lock. If you can down the lock even a second before your mage is about to die then, having a second iceblock to use will give you enough of an edge to win. Iceblock early, cold snap and don't die in thirty seconds is how you should be thinking as a mage. Your rogue WILL kill the lock so, dont be the first caster to die.
ZerokelvinApr 16, 2008 - 1:39 AM (HideShow)
The enemy rogue will CloS your sheep, vanish on second try, by that time your rogue is dead. Hope the lock is low, finish him and enjoy 1 on 1 with shs rogue
MalcolmApr 24, 2008 - 6:24 PM (HideShow)
@ Zerokelvin

If your rogue is dying to a rogue/warlock combo in the time it takes your mage to cast polymorph 3 times then you're doing it wrong. He might want to consider picking up a pvp trinket, putting evasion on his toolbar, or keybinding CloS. Pretty much any of those will stop the scenario you just described.
GenzMay 4, 2008 - 6:27 AM (HideShow)
start with spellsteal to put yourself in combat
GenzMay 4, 2008 - 6:44 AM (HideShow)
btw this can be horrible if the warlock charges in with sacrifice bubble =( When warlock sends his pet to the mage, it puts him in combat autumatically so no sap =(
SixotwoMay 6, 2008 - 11:43 AM (HideShow)
I usualy CS the Lock then gouge his pet and let the mage shatter combo, if rogue interupts it I Switch to there rogue, Can avoid fears by using CDs long enough to burn rogue
ZerokelvinMay 29, 2008 - 3:24 PM (HideShow)
This is your counter setup. You and your rogue open on the lock, rogue opens on your rogue and kills him, you die to dots. Then you wait a minute before queueing.

If you succeed even once with sheeping the rogue, then you're fighting scrubs.
ZerokelvinMay 29, 2008 - 3:25 PM (HideShow)
"If your rogue is dying to a rogue/warlock combo in the time it takes your mage to cast polymorph 3 times then you're doing it wrong. He might want to consider picking up a pvp trinket, putting evasion on his toolbar, or keybinding CloS. Pretty much any of those will stop the scenario you just described."

LOL. Did you ever heard of Death Coil-Blind-Spell lock-Clos-Vanish every single sheep while your rogue is being raped 100-0?
FelmJun 1, 2008 - 12:32 AM (HideShow)
Being one of the combos you can actually beat these days, I thought I’d share my thoughts about the match-up.

My partner and I had some success in the past with the strategy, mentioned on top.
It’ll get you to 2k, no problem. However, the problem arises when you meet rogue/lock teams who knows exactly what’s going to hit them.



First things first. For this tactic I’m going to assume the worst case scenario – i.e, assuming an enemy human rogue who wants to get the drop on your rogue buddy. If that happens, there is nothing you can do to save him (like Zerokelvin above me pointed out).
Schooo.. what can you do in order to prevent it?

Now that you know the enemy rogue has perception, and is lurking about, you (mage) should start bullying the lock as soon as the door opens. Your rogue should stay far away from the “sap zone” as possible, while maintaining LOS for shadowstep.

Spellsteal. Yes, Spellsteal. Spellsteal a LOT. Your goal is to get his fel armour, and hopefully his pre-sac domination shield. Once you got his felarmour, it’s time to act.



Two things can happen now, depending on how fast you could get the fel armour (and domination shield).
If you got his armor fast: you should still be topped on hp, and barrier should be running. This will buy you enough time to lure out a spell lock. How you do that, is up to you. I usually stack a few winter chills, summon the elemental, sheep the lock and fake a shatter.

If you spent too much time getting the fel armor, and fall behind on damage: get your elemental out ASAP, and start spamming those instants.

Once his spell-lock is used, pop icy veins and wear the lock down. At 80ish %, your rogue buddy should shadowstep in, do a garrot and a rupture, and then vanish. Speed is of the essence here. Once the bleeds are applied, your rogue should completely disappear from the fight again. If the enemy rogue hasn’t popped out yet, you should stay on the lock, until he’s around 60%. At 60%, do another garrot-rupture-vanish. If the rogue still hasn
FelmJun 1, 2008 - 12:43 AM (HideShow)
If the rogue still hasn't popped out, finish off the lock. If the enemy rogue pops out before, or right after the first rupture, swap to him. The whole point is to force out the enemy rogue. should you catch the enemy rogue early, keep the bleeds up and pray the RNG gods. If things go smoothly, you might very well pull of a win.
ExtremegJun 17, 2008 - 1:17 PM (HideShow)
From the Rogue/Lock point of view: Switching to the Rogue can be good or bad. Obviously the Lock while try to Fear immediately, save a Counterspell for this if you plan on switching. Since the Lock's Rogue will always get the opener due to waiting for the Mage's Rogue, you'll frequently find yourself stunlocked very badly, making a switch nearly impossible (CS -> KS -> Vanish -> CS -> Rupture so you can't Vanish/Bandage). But if the Lock does something stupid, like trinket a KS then jumping off the bridge in Blade's Edge (I'm guilty) don't hesitate to switch.
LietoAug 4, 2008 - 10:52 AM (HideShow)
As a rogue in rogue+mage combo i like when rogue is going for our mage. its a free win then most of the times.
So i will just sap the lock and wait for rogue to open on mage, then i throw fast cheapshot on the rogue and vanish+prem-garrote+kidney the lock > and vanish again letting mage solo the lock and forcing rogue to go for mage while regening energy and waiting for kidney cd (mage ib at this point if he need to). Eventually we land another stunlock on the lock and he dies.

The worst thing that can happen is their rogue going for me, see for yourself:
He can drop me to 30% in one stunlock and if i trinket i will get blind+sap. Then it goes like this: warlock+rogue push mage into iceblock and go for me straight away when KS is out of cd. So it ends up with me doing zero damage and basically very dead.

Whoever said that mage can somehow aid his rogue is dead wrong. Spell lock + clos + DC + devour + vanish make it impossible to land half-decent sheep.
BobylasterAug 6, 2008 - 9:33 AM (HideShow)
yeah , if the opposite rogue is going for me , its a free win....just iceblock while ur rogue is destroying the warlock
SupamanAug 17, 2008 - 2:27 AM (HideShow)
First, I would reccomend sapping the lock and just get your mage to spell steal a buff putting both, the mage and the lock, in combat and then start the shatter. You are now forcing the locks rogue to break stealth and open with a garrote/cheapshot or u will get a nice frostbolt in and ur taking the lead.

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