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  | Icycake Altar of Storms US-Nightfall |
 | Mage/Rogue | VS. |  | Priest/Rogue |
This can be tough with Vanish -> Run away and get healed and all with the Priest pole hugging out of your Sheep. The goal here is to kill the Rogue and CC the Priest. It much easier if you can get Shadow Sight Buff. You can always sap the Priest before he gets it. Have the Rogue get on the Rogue Rupture a lot so he can't Vanish and run. The only time your Rogue should be off their Rogue is when your Mage needs to Blink the Priest. After Blind is up Counter Spell the heals and the start another sheep rotation. Have your Water Elemental on the Rogue the whole time.
As the Rogue - be sure to Garrote/Rupture the Rogue. If you fail to do this the Rogue will be able to Vanish and be healed by the Priest. I usually open with a Garrote/Premeditate and Rupture him with 4 of your combo points.
As the Rogue - be sure to Garrote/Rupture the Rogue. If you fail to do this the Rogue will be able to Vanish and be healed by the Priest. I usually open with a Garrote/Premeditate and Rupture him with 4 of your combo points.
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 Speedoh | Feb 23, 2008 - 2:18 AM (HideShow) |
| And what happens to teams that dont rely on wotf for their strats to work? -.- | |
| Speedoh | Feb 23, 2008 - 2:18 AM (HideShow) |
| STUPID HORDE! GRRRR | |
| Seabreeze | Mar 6, 2008 - 6:23 PM (HideShow) |
| This isn't dependent upon WotF. Mage has a nice amount of fear breaks as it is, and the rogue can generally CoS at least one fear. | |
 Puwet | Mar 20, 2008 - 5:50 PM (HideShow) |
| the priest really has no instant spell cast that can silence the rogue down... even then CoS should be used when you are stunlocking the rogue and you notice the mage has not counterspell/sheeped in time. Having the priest left alone on this situation is the worse you can do.. so if you don't sap/sheep the preist make sure you can silence him kick/blind... most likely the priest will not be attacking anyways so after the blind vanish and sap him to make him waste his trinket. Mage: the rogue will be on you like glue... so if you have to use ice block early so the stunlock does not take half your energy( squishy clothes are proned for that ). And right when you see a priest you should be taking your elemental out and using it on the dps'r. cycle in your freeze/nova in 15 second interval after your rogue is on theirs because a rogue/rogue fight can last a bit especially if they are using evasion/bleeds and none of them are really in a stun lock combo. This should give you time to ice shield / counterspell / sheep. The most the rogue should do is blind the priest and start on the rogue when he is attacking you.. because he will be on you... and if the priest pops his trinket it's all over for him while you can baaaaaaaaaaa-aaaaaaaaaa rogue: wait out for the rogues first attack ( garrote on the mage ) and start a good stunlock on him. when the priest comes close remember to blind right away if he is not next to him already, doubt it though the wall hugger. Force the priest to use his trinket because if not, there is a possible stun-lock / shatter combo .. can drain 1/2 to 2/3 of the rogue's energy in the first 15 seconds and probably already bleeded so he can't vanish to set up on the mage. ALWAYS WATCH OUT FOR FEAR, it's really up to you to stop the casting even if you have to sprint and kick him / shadow step - kick - shiv and deadly throw. Just make sure the rogue is committed to your mage and stop his stunlocks with yours while you keep a good amount of CC on the priests castings. | |
 Youdienow | Mar 21, 2008 - 12:55 PM (HideShow) |
| Really no use to open with both garrote and rupture, garrote will outlast your rupture so no need to apply a second debuff. Better premed ->garrote -> shiv -> kidney shot. Good to get rid of his trinket. This is another setup where Perception is godlike. ;D Even better than WoTF tbh. Priest will usually want to fear the mage so dont stand near your rogue, if you both get feared rogue will have to blow trinket and then will eat a blind, not good. If priest fears rogue and they do the blind just play around until rogue is back in action, try and not let their rogue do a vanish -> sap on the blinded rogue. | |
| Seabreeze | Apr 1, 2008 - 5:54 PM (HideShow) |
| Give consideration to going for the priest, as well, as Cheat Death and a battlemaster's trinket can really, really screw you up. Your rogue should save the blind for the other rogue's CloS. Opening on the priest also gets the fight started quickly, which will avoid a sap on your mage/rogue. And if they're alliance, for god's sake, stay back for the first 30 seconds. | |
 Omonera | Apr 5, 2008 - 3:39 PM (HideShow) |
| The only time we consider going after the rogue first is if hes mutilate thats the only time we go after rogue first......simply because he has no cheat death, cheat daeth will rape you in the ass | |
| Exeon | Apr 9, 2008 - 7:38 AM (HideShow) |
| So far ive played with 2 rogues up to 2k and weve gone on the priest the entire time, its worked badly once, but what we do is we go out, i invis at 2 seconds left till game starts then spam the /tar abcdef etc macro to get the priest targeted rogue rushes out to sap the priest then i come out of invish with pet/iv/trinket and we open on priest cheap shot, kidney, imp cs, vanish, cheap shot thats aprox like 15+ seconds i think that should be more then enough time to kill a priest. The rogues ive played with are using s1 gloves/shoulders and s2 wpns/dragonstrike. | |
| Zerokelvin | Apr 16, 2008 - 1:50 AM (HideShow) |
| The above strat is wrong, you shouldn't attack the priest unless he's shadow. Enemy rogue will stunlock your rogue and you will never kill a disc priest from there on. Unless you have perception, then it's easy mode. So now, the real pvp situation, no perception, SW:D exploiting dwarf Priest: 1. The other rogue has perception, you lose. 2. No perception. Your goal is to kill the rogue. But he's in stealth mode. Now the priest knows that strat (that he can't be killed with a rogue peeling for him anyway), so he just spam-dispells you, starts smiting/mana burning/dotting, whatever, taking your mana and hp while you stand there. You can't avoid that cause he'll mount up and/or chase you around. a) if you sheep him, you lose DR, then the rogue opens on you and you die because you can't sheep the priest. b) if you counterspell, they will just wait. c) if the eye debuff appears, your rogue will be knocked out of stealth + dotted just as you knock out their rogue. And you probably have like 2k hp and mana taken by that time. Ideas? | |
| Ishak | Apr 17, 2008 - 1:17 PM (HideShow) |
| Very hard matchup! Im bumping for more replies. (and crossing fingers for loss of racials in arena) | |
 Screwz | Apr 26, 2008 - 2:39 PM (HideShow) |
| Then main thing i found at facing good priest/Rogue teams is to ease the pressure on your rogue. Things can go from good>Bad>Ugly>Give up in a short space of time if there rogue is on top of your rogue pressuring with Cripple Spam>Rupture/garrotes You can /dance>Leave Me having percep Helps but if you dont have it you can still outplay them. If you see no rogue Start out on the Priest Chances Are there rogue is near your mage. Open with Cheap>KS>Vanish>Look for there rogue Immediatly he should be right near you if you get the sap on Him and priest trinket on the first KS Most likely not But still switch to the rogue Shatter>Garrote>Evasion>Hemo Spam Asap. If there Rogue Uses evasion straight off try this. /Cast ShadowStep /Cast Kidney Shot No need to use Vanish>Cheap>KS and works a charm. Save your blind for when Priest trinkets on a sheep, he should do seeming one shatter on a rogue is about 40% hp reduction.Sheep>Sheep>Sheep If he Has used trinket do the following: Blind>Sap>CS If rogue is still not dead Get ready on the focus Kicks/Gouges and its upto your mage to finish the rogue off While you concentrate on blocking heals. You can Out dps The instants/Renew np. If he does not trinket And Mage is Free to kite rogue efficiantly Vanish>Cheap>KS Priest Again if he doesn not trinket Rogue is near death and a Blind>Trinket>Sheep will do the trick almost certianly. One thing before you switch to the priest Make sure you have 10+s of rupture on the rogue. This is Just one way to do it, We experimented and found nuking the rogue was the easiest, Just remmeber The key thing to winning is to not Let Your rogue Into a stunlock>Bleed Frenzy. If it happens You need to Sheep Rogue CS priest so your rogue can Switch on his evasion andKeep alive, the problem with this is you are no playing defensive, considering this is an offensive setup you will need to keep on your toes to switch it back to offensive | |
| Sèlect | May 6, 2008 - 5:26 PM (HideShow) |
| Think this was from Mattyo telling Houndus but if they're playing really defensively (basically running in SWP and SWDing your mage/dispeling etc) you basically want to garrote the priest and get a small shatter combo out to bring the rogue onto your rogue, sheep the rogue immediately (trinket w/e is necessary to break a fear or cheapshot/kidneyshot) forcing him into either trinketing or CloS and follow by reopening w/ a vanish cheapshot. We also keep recasting rank 1 frost armor for the priest to waste his mana on dispeling. We've found the top end teams faking a sheep on a priest to provoke a shadow word death quite useful, which blows their SWD cd and they go into an 8 second sheep, allowing us to concentrate more on the rogue. Provoking the priest into pain supressioning can also be very useful by opening with a cheapshot/small shatter you can get the priest around 60% or below forcing the rogue out on your rogue. This strat being only when they are playing extremely defensive. When they play offensive I basically open on the rogue with a premed cheapshot 5 point rupture/vanish/garrote basically to help peel the rogue off the mage forcing him to be slowed. Then I'll work up 5 combo points to shadowstep KS behind (won't always work as they can dodge occasionally with mouse turning to targets if they have evasion up for example), we fake sheeps while the rogue is getting peeled off to force a SWD from the priest, then sheep the priest for 8 seconds. If the priest ever ends up trinketing from a sheep obvious thing to do is Blind in which time the rogue should be dpsed down and won't live from a renew/cs a gheal/flash heal w/e. Against this team we try to play really defensive allowing the rogue to get an opener on the mage, but the tides can definitely turn if you aren't good at peeling a rogue off the mage or your mage can't do good counterspells/fake sheeps etc. | |
| Chaosassasin | Jun 3, 2008 - 6:12 AM (HideShow) |
| would like to know something i always go for the priest a rogue always attacks me i trinket outta first stun and blind him first then we try to nuke the priest works surprisingly well any does that work well with higher rated teams? | |
| Barvi | Jun 3, 2008 - 7:56 AM (HideShow) |
| I don't like going for the rogue. Simply put, evasion and cloak, plus cheat death is enough to out last CC on the priest, plus priest is pillar humping. Instead of just blow up the priest and blind the rogue, who trinkets and we usually get a full sheep off when the priest in a stunlock and just shatter for the win. | |
| Hyperz | Jun 7, 2008 - 12:56 PM (HideShow) |
| Here is an alternative: Get your mage to go invis when seeing this comp, and your rogue to SAP the priest. As soon as the priest is sapped, you must pop out of invis and SPAM your spellsteal as soon as possible (you maintain the sap duration) on the priest, at which point the rogue will most likely pop out and attack you. If your lucky, you'll steal his shield/fort/innerfire(which is really nice) and have an option of switching to priest later. If the rogue opens on you, your rogue should then cheapshot and proceed into kidney shot while you assist in dps and sheep priest. Most of this should be done before the sap is even removed, so you can cast poly, it will probably only last 5 seconds, though you should be able to get the rogue to cheat death or relatively close. If you cast poly again for the 3rd duration, the priest will trinket no question. Otherwise you can simply improved counterspell him and you should definately have had enough time to finish off the rogue, otherwise just blind the priest if it trinkets. A great advantage doing it this way, is simply because if the rogue trinkets early on the kidney shot, you can switch to the priest knowing the priest wont have all his/her buffs, the large majority of priests do not even consider putting the stolen buffs back up. You also stay alive longer provided the priest doesnt get key dispels off you, innerfire + icearmour ftw. But lets go back and assume the rogue doesn't pop out of stealth to attack the mage. Basically, your rogue simply re-saps the no-buff priest and you just walk away, still in combat, and re-start battle again with 5 more buffs =]. | |
 Athenanuker | Jun 19, 2008 - 7:06 AM (HideShow) |
| I absolutly dread this combo sometimes, perception just ruins everything. The priest will just dot/dispell me, and its also awsome when my rogue gets blinded out of stealth. Doesn't help either when most the rogues we fight for some odd reason have warglaives......by any divine miracle, is there a stradegy we might could do in these dredful situations? | |
| Shaithis | Jun 27, 2008 - 7:10 PM (HideShow) |
| Don't play with a bad rogue. ^ | |
| Krator | Jul 22, 2008 - 11:03 AM (HideShow) |
| if rogue go for ur mage nuke him always with bleed and shiv on him-if go for u try to survie and get away.i am human so i open the ather rogue but if i wasnt i go for the eyes sap priest take one and vanish your mage take the ather.start nuke him with a counter spell and then blind most of them use trinket on it then polimorf and second counter spell dont let rogue get away kidney shot him on cos shdow step shiv or kidney when he shodow step on mage | |
| Tiiky | Aug 23, 2008 - 8:40 PM (HideShow) |
| Me + my rogue friend go with the way of, he trying to finde rogue (bouth of us is UD) if he dont ill probly get cheepshotted he just start locking down the rogue, ill blink and both will be rdy for priest to do fear on us, so just Wotf. When he have used it make sure you sheep him and try to shatter donw the rogue. when u come to the point of Vanish ---> Run away ---> get healed, my rogue frined ( Elmdor ) vanish and start on the priest, he will be in total lockdown cuz the rogue will probly be half the map away trying not to get aoed out of vanish, so, the cheepshot gets followd by kidny and the kindny by a counterspell followed by vansh garrot / cheepshot. The rogue will moste likly go for the rogue cuz pries wont ba able to do shit when he have the rogue on himselfe, so the mage go for the rogue and rogue stay on the priest, in the end the priest will have to deside who is going to live, in moste cases, the rogue probly will CoS and then Elmdor uses his imba blinde focus target and blind the rogue so he will be unable to do a shit and u just do some scorth on the priest while he isnt able to do shit. then just finish them off. //Tiiky | |
| Zukias | Aug 25, 2008 - 4:06 PM (HideShow) |
| @ hyperz, spell stealing a sapped priest will still put him into combat making him unable to be resapped | |
 Fireshuriken | Oct 5, 2008 - 7:21 AM (HideShow) |
| hm somehow Icycake forgot to tell us how to find the rogue .. We're gnomes gg! soo id say u can kill both the rogue and the priest if u want to .. If u go on the rogue(which i do) try not to shatter him in the 1st KS cuz he'll trinket out of it cloak and gg . If u go on the priest ure rogue has to pop evasion and run around the priest so their rogue isnt in his back to get dmg try 2 vanish after the rogue pops cuz u'll get bleeded poly the rogue cheap shot him pop slice and dice and rape the priest down (meanwhile the mage dpses the priest leik shit and CS him all the time so he gets only~10% hp when rogue is vanished) resheep rogue blind (blind sap takes time i dont liek it cuz u loose time i preffer full nuke let the mage control) GL (NERFNERF!) | |
| Fireshuriken | Oct 5, 2008 - 7:23 AM (HideShow) |
| oh what i forgot to say , IMO EVERYONE NOW CAN USE SW;Death out of the poly , its hard to actually fake cast it! | |
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