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  | Icycake Altar of Storms US-Nightfall |
 | Mage/Rogue | VS. |   | Druid/Warlock |
Frankly, this is going to be a horrible set up for you to play against, what u can try to do here is:
Sap the Warlock, Shatter combo the Warlock and DPS him until the Druid pops out, sheep the Warlock and chase the Druid around the whole map until the DoTs tick your life away or the Druid dies.
An alternative way is same thing but this time Sap the Warlock and Shatter the pet and have the Rogue get on the pet as well, if the pet is dead and you can Counter Spell the Warlock's re-summon you may have a chance. The Mage will be able to out DPS the Druid heals with non SL Warlock, but this is even harder than chasing the Druid
Also, the Rogue should be sure you don't use your Cloak of Shadows too early. If you do you might be stuck in a tough situation if the Druid dies. I usually use Cloak of Shadows when I'm at about 35% Hit Points, buying me the most time to kill the Druid and at the same time leaving me with enough HP to effectively kill the Warlock after I Vanish. Results may vary though depending on the situation.
Sap the Warlock, Shatter combo the Warlock and DPS him until the Druid pops out, sheep the Warlock and chase the Druid around the whole map until the DoTs tick your life away or the Druid dies.
An alternative way is same thing but this time Sap the Warlock and Shatter the pet and have the Rogue get on the pet as well, if the pet is dead and you can Counter Spell the Warlock's re-summon you may have a chance. The Mage will be able to out DPS the Druid heals with non SL Warlock, but this is even harder than chasing the Druid
Also, the Rogue should be sure you don't use your Cloak of Shadows too early. If you do you might be stuck in a tough situation if the Druid dies. I usually use Cloak of Shadows when I'm at about 35% Hit Points, buying me the most time to kill the Druid and at the same time leaving me with enough HP to effectively kill the Warlock after I Vanish. Results may vary though depending on the situation.
Comments: | |
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 Hbthegreat | Feb 24, 2008 - 9:10 AM (HideShow) |
| You seriously think that sheeping the warlock is a good idea? The felhunter can just dispell it. Rethink this strat imo. possibly make the warlock trinket throw him a blind then kill the druid? | |
 Janze | Feb 25, 2008 - 12:15 AM (HideShow) |
| Personally against a combo like this there is little you can do. The starts he has are well developed and i do use both depending on how the game starts. -Long Live Freedom, Long Live Whine- | |
| Dutin | Mar 12, 2008 - 2:36 PM (HideShow) |
| What I do against shaman lock is through a shatter into the lock so he gets artic chill debuff, continute DPS - sheep shaman till he trinkets/blows NS, then sheep lock and get on shaman. This works about 50 percent of the time and Could possibly work against druid lock IMO | |
 Venetras | Mar 13, 2008 - 2:11 PM (HideShow) |
| I think this combo is possible like every other too... yesterday we got +26 points (on 2150) vs WL/Drud. At first we focused the lock without any cd, till the drud pops out. The Drud will try to cc the rogue so, he have to use shs or vanish as fast as posible. The mage should try to cc WL till the rogue gots the Drud. Now Focus the Druid with abusing all of your cds, if the drud use insignia and switchs in human or travel stance the rogue have to blind him and get into stealth with cos to remove faerie fire. In stealth the drud get sapped. the mage should get in block or behind a pillar (out of wl range).Now sheep wl if possible and kill the druid in a 16 second stun lock (cheapshot,kidney counter,vanish-garrote). The Mage should do his first block ~at 80% that there is enough time to alive till the second block is ready. Its also possible to beat this combo without the blind/stunlock tactic. the advantage : its faster and you can blind the wl in the right moment if nessecary. the disadvantage : youve got diminishing return on cheapshot and so it could happen that the druid survive the stunlock or get out of the mages range what costs a lot of time. sry for my bad english ;/ | |
 Puwet | Mar 19, 2008 - 6:33 PM (HideShow) |
| the key here is what the rogue is on you should be doing. Because the warlock will rush the mage, make sure the mage is way back.. way back. INV if must to confuse the warlock/druid for the rogue/rogue rogue/druid combo to make the druid pop out. Silencing is the key as well, so try to communicate when you counterspell and deadly throw/kick to make them work together. If you can't CC one of them you have to work together to Silence them as well. Mage: be very aggressive on the druid by spellstealling and make sure he uses his mana by shapeshifting. CoC, nova, freeze, even winter's chill and ice lances to really slow him down. Use your counterspell on the warlock to sheep if the rogue is on the druid for some reason and not the warlock. You NEED to keep one person out of the game here because HOTs and DOTs will drain you guys in the long fight ( you only can handle one ). think you have to be quick and be a step ahead of who you are fighting when faced with two casters. you might have to use your counterspell on the druid in the first 10 seconds when the rogue is battling the warlock in a great stunlock and the druid pops out if your rogue can't blind in time. right when you counterspell have the rogue place a good lock ( if vanish/cheap shot ) and start silencing the druid by kicks, deadly throw, and gouge, and blind if availible. This gives you perfect time to work on your shatter combo followed up with a quick burst like fire blast, CoC, nova/freeze, and ice lances all while he is trying to fear because of the rogue. rogue: always sap the druid and try to take him out of the game with it, even if you have to vanish to re-sap so he pops his trinket... do it becuase when you blind you should be full force on the warlock. You will always be stun locking the warlock and letting your haste/AP trinket do alot of your damage when you are timing your stun lock with the warlock. The pressure alone will make the druid run to his rescue and that's when you have to pressure the druid. If the lock gets loose from your | |
 Lizet | Mar 21, 2008 - 10:44 AM (HideShow) |
| "Sap the Warlock, Shatter combo the Warlock and DPS him until the Druid pops out" I stopped reading right there.... First of all sap shares diminishing returns with poly. Second, a descent lock if he see an elemental out and a mage casting a frostbolt he will spell-lock u. So try fake the frostbolt to lure the spell lock. Lock should have 2-3 winter chills on him before u poly him. If u dont have winters chill then u just fail with this combo. Keep lock on focus target to cs a fear(especially if u are non UD). Im blood elf so I can waste a cs on fear and arcane torrent the druid as we dps him. | |
| Darthmidget | Mar 21, 2008 - 9:49 PM (HideShow) |
| For the rogue: I like to KS the warlock before hopping to druid, lets the mage cast poly without getting feared because of pushback from pet. | |
| Wangsta | Mar 29, 2008 - 7:05 PM (HideShow) |
| people think warlocks easily break the sheeps, but if u focus on CS and resheeping the lock it jsut has to be long enough to keep dots and fears from going 100% on you. | |
| Sycron | Apr 3, 2008 - 5:27 PM (HideShow) |
| What basicly happens to us is, if we fail at start, it's a loss. We just can't handle the dot's. Lost quite alot of rating to this setup today. What we do is: Jump lock -> Druid pops -> Poly lock -> Stun lock / Shatter combo the druid -> Druid = not dead = loss, since dot's tick away, and I quite often eat the spell lock here, on my shatter combo, making me unable to make my burst. But is there like a start that "almost" "never" fails? Or one that often works? | |
| Victus | Apr 10, 2008 - 1:33 PM (HideShow) |
| HATE locks | |
| Leymord | Apr 12, 2008 - 7:44 PM (HideShow) |
| ok for this start of sap the lock kill his pet without using any coodldowns. when the pet is dead hell just be getting out of sap if he resummons sheep the warlock and try to kill pet ( if out of combat instead of sheeping and not getting full effect from sap you can blind) you MUST kill his pet. i know it sounds hard from dots but CC lock kill his pet because once his pet is down he is squishy. once second pet is down rogue CoS mage ice block to cleans dots then icy veins trinket summon pet and rogue and mage need to rape the warlock. with wound and mindnumbing, it can be done right through the druids heals. let the mage slow him down and the rogue use the other poisons. when lock gets low focus imp counterspell on druid and if possible blind because if lock is 30% or less, then a blind cs combo should finish the job. me and a rogue have done this when we were 2k it worked. i retired arenaing when i got my shoulders so if you think my teams affect my comment your wrong :) | |
| Illwai | Apr 13, 2008 - 5:35 AM (HideShow) |
| " key here is what the rogue is on you should be doing. Because the warlock will rush the mage, make sure the mage is way back.. way back. INV if must to confuse the warlock/druid for the rogue/rogue rogue/druid combo to make the druid pop out. Silencing is the key as well, so try to communicate when you counterspell and deadly throw/kick to make them work together. If you can't CC one of them you have to work together to Silence them as well." Invis doesnt work with locks .. detect invis ftl | |
| Sèlect | Apr 28, 2008 - 12:33 AM (HideShow) |
| Eh this strat is a bit off as someone already said sap/sheep share the same DR, what I've been doing as rogue/mage is firstly starting on the warlock premed cheapshot/ imp expose work up around 3 CPs after, lure the druid out blind the druid soon as he pops to force a trinket/NS heal if the druid doesn't trinket I'll usually cloak/vanish/sap, sheep the warlock with several winters chill + CoC and if possible a frostbolt debuff on so that chances of dispeling the poly are lessened. Reopen on the druid (presuming the mage has faked a pet CS) shatter combo the druid 8 seconds of stun (popping trinkets etc) with cheapshot/ks to force an NS. What we've found with this is an imp cs will usually save the risk of an NS going off after the KS has faded druid at this point will have 2-4 wound poisons up so the NS is usually lessened if it does go off. If the warlock does manage to break the sheep with pet dispel I'll usually get another 2 CPs on the warlock to KS/wait for sheep DR to reopen on the druid (again Iceblock w/e is neccessary to stay alive at this point). There are a fair amount of flaws with this strat as the druid can kite fairly well vs a rogue/mage if they're good. But yeah the killing the pet strat is flawed too because a good druid isn't going to let a warlock pet die even if it risks him coming out prematurely. Basically though this is probably one of the hardest combos as rogue/mage alongside pally/lock, druid/rogue, druid/hunter so we usually don't expect a free win with this combo. | |
 Ropefly | May 4, 2008 - 8:10 AM (HideShow) |
| tbh we never ever lost rogue/mage as druid lock neverrrrr it's free pointzzzz. i'll give some situations to win situation 1 best tactic I think is to sap the lock YES sap and burst down the pet if it dies.go cheap shot lock and kidney shot him he stays in 6secs kidney shot go imp coutnerspell him 4more seconds (so his soul link is still off)unless druids want to cyclone/root/regrowth cs druid instead time it well. when lock is imp cs go blind tha druid(imp cs means he can't go fearing/deathcoiling the rogue or even dot) and try to zerg down the warlock, druid will trinket the blind most likely go cheapshot kidney shot him to burn nature's swiftness. and evantually try killing the warlock situation 2 sap the lock YES sap and burst down the pet if it dies.go cheap shot lock and kidney shot him he stays in 6secs kidney shot if the lock trinkets the kidney shot some locks will cause of omg panic getting zerged witouth pet! this will give a opportunity to win . INSTANT BLIND lock and switch to the druid if blind is about to run out go sheep him if sheep is about to run out vanish sap thaths about 30seconds to zerg the druid or atleast make him oomz and try to kill one of them notes: -good communication is a must in this fight but like i said it's very hard and we never ever lost to rogue/mage -good druids will always start with fiery fire so rogue can most likely only vanish once -if u fail killing pet this tactic is worthless use sèlect instead mentionned above his tactic -hope this will help u rogue/mage teams:P | |
| Sixotwo | May 6, 2008 - 7:55 AM (HideShow) |
| Focus Lock from start, druid pops, hit it with a blind if he trinkets right away Vanish re open on druid, now if he doesnt trinket like most good druids dont apply most preasure on lock as u can forsing a NS right when druid comes out of bl.ind then get on druid, either way the druid is an ezer kill without NS or trinket | |
| Sanosuke | Jun 14, 2008 - 9:27 AM (HideShow) |
| well the only thing you can do imo is sap the lock nuke the pet without wasting shatter combo just kill it asap(if the rogue can take slice and dice buff by killing the pet it would also be good),then there are 2things that may happen,1) the drood will appear instantly healing the pet if he does that and especially if he wastes NS although he just goes for a swiftmend change asap on him and leave the pet stunlock while mage is using then his shatter combo etc (probably the druid will trinket from your kidney just have teh mage silence and vanish cheapshot (i avoid garrote cause there is always the chance that the druid will run away) meanwhile blind the lock,sheep him till he runs out of anti cc rogue has trinket,CoS in case he is gonna get feared mage has ice block for dots,fear and trinket ,pressure the druid till he is dead (if you see he is confused prepartion+vanish cheap shot then kidney(which will be probably out of cd ) can do wonders ..pray for some crits and dont w8 to win more than 50% of these combos its all about druid skills the locks job here is just dot and fear.. 2) the lock will stay stealthed and the lock will summon another felhunter if he hadnt started with sacrifice ..then its like ...fuck.. you have either to kite lock and repeat what you did or just go to find the druid without doing anything on his pet with some luck or if you are human or you got the eng googles you ll have better chances then cheap shot ,gouge till the mage is in LoS for shatter combo and pray for crits :) | |
| Zukias | Jun 16, 2008 - 6:44 AM (HideShow) |
| get the warlock to spell lock you by spamming frost bolt before the KS + shatter nuke combo, you've just gota sheep warlock as much as you can, i know it gets dispelled by fel hunter, but at least he wont be dispelling your icy veins, and just nuke druid as good as you can | |
| Volwrath | Jun 28, 2008 - 3:24 PM (HideShow) |
| Well being double human me and my rogue partner have a minor advantage over most Mage Rogue groups. What we like to do is send out the rogue to find the druid while perception is up. Usually we can find the druid then because the warlock can just dispel it's sheep we try and silence a fear. Now my rogue friend has only 1500 AP so bursting down the druid is often hard but if we manage to kill the druid what will then happen is I will try and stall off the warlock as long as possible so my rogue friend can band aid/eat. Usually the druid does not expect to be found in cat form and if you get the jump you stand a good chance. ((So perception ftw)) P.S sometimes the druid trys to kite so hard that you in turn LOS the locks fears. | |
 Blowitz | Jul 24, 2008 - 1:03 PM (HideShow) |
| uhm I played against this team and I seriously found nothing to do , I'd prefer the one with nuking pet cuz then warlock will be Vulnerable for polymorph and you can fight the druid, dont know if it might be then best tac but I think I'd do it in that way. :) | |
| Lieto | Aug 4, 2008 - 5:18 AM (HideShow) |
| Id say it is one of the hardest setups for mage+rogue if those guys are good. Original tactic is actually good. Just nuke the hell out of a warlock praying for NS (improved CS helps with that), while warlock getting winterchills. Then sheep lock and get on the druid. | |
| Seboknor | Aug 10, 2008 - 11:28 PM (HideShow) |
| When me and my 2v2 partner plays this setup i usually hide behind a pillar or LOS object then he cheapshots the warlock so he can not full dot me and when the druid comes out he usually cyclones so i will frostbolt the druid and the felhunter silences so easy sheep then i sheep for bout 2 seconds? cuz of trinket ... then rouge will blind for full 8 seconds and tht usually works but meh | |
| Ehtycs | Aug 14, 2008 - 1:09 AM (HideShow) |
| Quite a dreadfull combo to meet yes, we usually try and burst the pet down before the druid can react then catch the second pet before he summons it, spellsteal etc. At this point we pretty much have won since there is nothing the warlock can do to us to stop our burst(We are both undead). Although with the pet's insane resists its not unusual for it to resist my frostbolt or my ele's nova (Yes i sometimes use that on the felhunter) so the druid might be able to heal the pet, at this point tho its just standart go on the druid and hope the mage can coordinate a shatter combo in between all the interupts and LoS being abused. Another thing that might work is bursting the lock, we managed to do it a few times and killed the lock with a imp CS on the druid as he popped out, but this requires an udnergeared and frankly stupid lock ^^ | |
| Phénomenon | Aug 17, 2008 - 9:25 PM (HideShow) |
| For what I normally do this is way far away from my strategy, just as a summary this is basically what we do: Rogue opens on warlock, while warlock is being stunlocked and will probably drop down to about 60% hp during the cs+ks, mage LoS warlock (why we do this is because a warlocks dots will have the mage down to ~70% hp after about 10 seconds) while he/she runs on mount and wait for the druid to pop out. Rogue instantly vanish+shadowstep the druid and start the stunlock again while mage pops pet and do a shatterburst. After this it's just to CC the lock and chase druid, worked for me every time.. | |
| Seqi | Aug 23, 2008 - 4:22 PM (HideShow) |
| Most tactics are hopeless, as even if you do down the druid, DoTs will bring you both down. The best thing we've found is to sap the warlock, fireblast the pet, then the rogue cheapshots the pet. It can't silence, so i load up a frostbolt + scorch. If you're lucky, the pet will die. Straight away, the rogue vanishes, and cheap shots the warlock (it should regen energy before sap ends), kidney shot, keep beating on the warlock. Set a focus on the druid when it pops, but don't CS anything yet. When fel dom comes, it should be possible to CS it due to spell pushback. Spellsteal spam. It'll be tricky due to lifeblooms, but dont stop spamming spellsteal. If you haven't got it, you have no choice but to lock it down for as long as possible for it to wear off. Prep vanish garrote (waste of CD's it may sound but it's the only option.), gouge, anything. The rogue needs to delay it. Hell, even try sheeping it back up if you need. If you did this, things are going your way. Don't stop beating on the warlock. If you counterspell a cyclone/regrowth, it's pretty much game. Don't expect a win, but it is possible. | |
| Achiliez | Sep 3, 2008 - 4:04 AM (HideShow) |
| Sap lock (sprint / ShS if you have to, key to strat) open on pet, blind the druid when he comes out to heal, if he lets the pet die do everything in your power to keep him from fel domming, BUT if druid pops, blind him immediately, he trinkets, you switch and kill him or at least try and fail (90% of the time this happens) and if he doesn't trinket GG | |
 Iilman | Sep 7, 2008 - 1:54 AM (HideShow) |
| I think this is a good strat, for mainly *Humans* or *Lucky Rogues.* Ok, You get on the druid do a CS, use a scorch and nova pet/ice lance get about 2k damage in w/some hemos; Immediately after that do a CS and have your rogue KS. IF he trinkets have your rogue call out IM BLINDING, Then put your pet on auto follow and blind the DRUID. Ice block/ COS Vanish, druids at like 60% hp no hots, then sap. Get a re opener cs/ks prep vanish garrote / cs its over. Lock can just be left go for fast dps and rogue trinket first fear, KS comes by fast. | |
| Ðead | Sep 20, 2008 - 10:48 AM (HideShow) |
| I rush with sprint towards the lock and sap him, then instant ´both of you Kill pet fast, then the tricky part. then we start on the lock to get his feldomination away,start with Vanish cheap shot, then be ready for a kick if u succsed to kick the fel domination its a win.then poly while he's silenced by kick he usualy trinkets then blind sap, sheep sheep sheep the druid should be dead now. | |
| Haivo | Sep 20, 2008 - 11:51 PM (HideShow) |
| You guys are all preferring good strats but in the end you will lose to a half brained warlock druid, what I'm going to tell you will only work if THEY DO NOT RUSH IN. If they go and play it defensively waiting for you guys to hit them wait for the eye to come out and have your rogue snipe it real quick vanish shadowstep sap the warlock and open on the druid with a full shatter. Make sure if your mage can fake the silence or scorch spam it off and see if the warlock silences it. Once the druid trinkets the kidneyshot with the shatter call of all your attacks and blind the druid full and cloak vanish. Then sap the druid and have your mage if needed iceblock the duration. Restunlock the druid with a full shatter and this should be overwhelming enough to get a kill. God speed | |
| Haivo | Sep 20, 2008 - 11:52 PM (HideShow) |
| Oh you better pray the druid trinkets your first kidneyshot | |
| Haivo | Sep 20, 2008 - 11:54 PM (HideShow) |
| /Facepalm mean to spell off* if you read it :P | |
| Unavoidable | Oct 1, 2008 - 2:57 PM (HideShow) |
| /dance /clap your hands and hope you dont get them a second time | |
| Fireshuriken | Oct 5, 2008 - 3:03 AM (HideShow) |
| i read so many retarded replys and its liek some ppl just talk without rly playing this combo, I think there isnt that decent tactic vs those just stack WC poly and pray the lock will be retarded and u'll be able to get away from his pet's spellock i think u dont have to waste CS on fear cuz u can silence the druid (main nuke target) instead . The key of winning is just to kill the druid fast enough before the dots finish u. If u are a haste mage(liek Me) try 2 get in more frostbolts while KS,I preffer to get in 2 frostbolts then put freeze and only lance ... I just started to play with a new rogue who doesnt rly focus on the game and he gets feared when we have dru ~10% hp .. W/e if u are rogue mage just pray u dont face lock dru or reroll <3 u | |
| Chaoswrecker | Oct 6, 2008 - 7:31 PM (HideShow) |
| What you need to do here is have your rogue get on the Warlock ASAP! Having your mage all dotted up is a very bad idea. Once you and your rogue are on the warlock, spam ice lance to get a few winter chill debuffs on him. Also try to force a spell lock with a frostbolt. Spell lock on CD=Easy poly. Once druid pops out, your rogue must immediately get on that druid's ass. The mage polymorphs the warlock and moves to help the rogue. If warlock trinkets re-poly. Then blind the warlcok. At this time, the mage MUST MUST MUST control the warlock. If the warlock gets a fear off the rogue, the druid recovers and it's game over. The only times we've lost to this combo is when the druid gets that fear off. The mage also needs to be trying to dispel the curses off him and his partner. Those curses deal a lot of damage and dispeling them helps you live longer. I hope you've found this to be helpful! Good games guys! | |
| Chaoswrecker | Oct 6, 2008 - 7:32 PM (HideShow) |
| Whoops, when the warlock gets that fear off =) | |
| Golfirl | Nov 19, 2008 - 1:58 PM (HideShow) |
| the warlock can easily shut that mage down | |
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