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  | Icycake Altar of Storms US-Nightfall |
 | Mage/Rogue | VS. |   | Druid/Hunter |
This will probably be another tough matchup for you. Viper Stings are so Over Powered that your Mage will be OOM within first 40 seconds. But here is what you want to try:
Sheep the Hunter and get on the Druid, blow him up, and attempt to stun lock him. Ice Block out of Viper Stings and Hunter traps. Blind the Hunter when Poly's diminishing returns run out. Keep chasing the Druid until he dies or your Mage runs out of mana. If your Mage goes OOM you can just /dance or leave the arena, don't waste your time.
The Rogue should be sure to Blind/Sap the Hunter after Sheep runs out if the Hunter has already used his trinket.
Sheep the Hunter and get on the Druid, blow him up, and attempt to stun lock him. Ice Block out of Viper Stings and Hunter traps. Blind the Hunter when Poly's diminishing returns run out. Keep chasing the Druid until he dies or your Mage runs out of mana. If your Mage goes OOM you can just /dance or leave the arena, don't waste your time.
The Rogue should be sure to Blind/Sap the Hunter after Sheep runs out if the Hunter has already used his trinket.
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 Tzatziki | Jan 31, 2008 - 6:03 PM (HideShow) |
| A perspective from the other side of this matchup: The only times this fight is close (with a less than amazing, perfectly geared druid, this is often a win), is when the hunter is unsuccessful at LOSing your sheeps, and so the rogue can beat on the druid unimpaired. What I'd suggest is burning personal nova on the hunter, then getting in his melee as you sheep him. Yes, there will be pushback, but then he can't silence shot you, and he can't afford to waste scattershot on the mage. If you get more than one sheep off into blind, you will probably win this fight, because if your rogue is pressuring the druid enough you can sneak a little drink in during blind. What typically makes this match close to impossible is that the hunter will dodge most of your sheeps, since he doesn't really have to damage anything if he can get you oom. Another tip: Be mindful of where your elemental will come out when you decide to use it. Hunters kill elementals really really fast (mutishot -> arcane -> auto pretty much), so if you can pull it out when the hunter is either sheeped or out of los of you, it will stay up a lot longer - you can even bait him to come out and get a sheep off this way (though smart hunters will save a global for silencing shot). | |
 Hermeswins | Feb 5, 2008 - 10:27 PM (HideShow) |
| Won +21 (at 2050 rating) yesterday by using this tactic: Send ur rogue out in meanwhile to go find the druid or wait for the stealth thing & take it (as a mage). Unstealth the druid & let your rogue open on him, the hunter will go to CC your rogue because 90% of the time he wants to dps me(mage) down first anyways. When he goes to CC the rogue go sheep the hunter. The druid will prolly use trinket on one of the rogue's stuns, as soon as u notice that the druid has used his trinket switch to the hunter & use a blind on the druid when the hunter is at 50%. The time u got there should be enough to kill the hunter. The Rogue can also vanish/restealth & go sap the druid just before blind ends (cuz he will be out of combat) tips: - Ice block on viper sting - U can annoy a druid wich is healing a lot by spam sheeping him (not more then 3 times tho) - Keep constant burst dps on the hunter so the druid doesnt have time to cyclone & root but only time to spamheal. (if u burst he will have to use regrowth eventually make sure u CS it then) | |
| Hermeswins | Feb 5, 2008 - 10:29 PM (HideShow) |
| to Webmaster: Please fix the layout of comments, it looks really crappy like this :) | |
 Tyveris | Feb 9, 2008 - 7:17 AM (HideShow) |
| Fixed, sorry :) | |
| Icycake | Feb 21, 2008 - 2:03 AM (HideShow) |
| You know how bad hunters rape mages? id rather take my chances of killing the druid than running in a frost trap and getting owned by a hunter in entrapment. | |
| Deafraisen | Feb 23, 2008 - 5:30 AM (HideShow) |
| what about if the hunter is beast mastery? | |
| Tryxt | Feb 26, 2008 - 11:15 PM (HideShow) |
| My god that was the epitomy of retardation... <awaits Tyveris with the ban stick for Sefroth> I think Icycake put it best when he said /dance. Facing this team at 2000+ is not even fair...it's pretty much the counter comp unless you get a solid sheep off and can gib the druid. Done it only a few times where my rogue shadowsteps the druid as he pops out, then vanish, premed, cheapshots, followed by a kidney shot and a well timed CS. During the time the druid is CC'd, dps the hell out of him. If he doesn't die there, he won't die and it's a lost match pretty much =/ | |
| Tyveris | Mar 1, 2008 - 3:53 AM (HideShow) |
| He is long gone now. Next time, shoot me a PM :) | |
| Venetras | Mar 13, 2008 - 6:26 PM (HideShow) |
| do it like hermeswins says or like the taktik i postet on drud / wl than it should be a win ... ; ) | |
| Puwet | Mar 19, 2008 - 9:50 PM (HideShow) |
| yes this is a very tough match because both the hunter and druid kite the rogue... and makes it harder for everything else. The mage has to control the fight for sure while the rogue helps maintain pressure against the druid when the mage is being focused on first. this lineup is certainly a good CC rotation because you have a person who cyclones and a person who kites... making it rough for the rogue to get a great stunlock with white damage. so apply shiv's and make sure you always save one point for the most importantly deadly throw.. evis won't work here as you think, it's all about your white damage and burst trinket for the damage. If you can place expose armor on one of them early that is the best bet to help your white damage out! mage: frost nova or even freeze the pet into place and remember to blink for closure to aid in the dps, your both the dps and half CC on this one (hunter only). This class is certainly a CC rotation and every thing you do against a druid does not work... so CC the hunter or slow him down. You need to control the hunter not the other way around. If you need to pop INV from the beginning and have your rogue sap the druid and start of the hunter, so 1.) they think it's a rogue/rogue or rogue/druid combo and start on the rogue first and 2.) gives you enough time to cast out your elemental to help snare the hunter and start on he CC. Remember to counterspell early so that you can use it on an important heal later when the druid cyclones the rogue, because this will be a long match. A rogue can NOT avoid the arrows as you think, but you can stop him in his tracks for the kiting so that is your MAIN GOAL in working together. AND ABOVE all if your NOT shatter combo'n the hunter you should be sheeping him because the focus is on the druid now. Have the rogue lead while you escape and help out with counterspell/spellsteal or snares. rogue: your time to shine. sprint out and sap the druid... hopefully avoid the flare -- if caught blind the hunter and start on the druid. If it does wor | |
 Darthmidget | Mar 22, 2008 - 2:13 AM (HideShow) |
| Umm, Puwet, where are you getting these strats from? | |
| Enzymatic | Mar 26, 2008 - 11:06 AM (HideShow) |
| This match has just gotten a lot easier for mage/rogue with the mana drain nerfs and the druid speed bonus nerf, lawl. | |
| Glacierx | Mar 30, 2008 - 8:36 AM (HideShow) |
| I find this matchup to not be that difficult. I would say we probably win around 60% of our matches against this matchup. The teams we have been playing have been in the 2000-2200 range as well. | |
| Split | Apr 7, 2008 - 4:57 PM (HideShow) |
| Do you use the strat from Icy Glacier? or another one? | |
| Glacierx | Apr 8, 2008 - 3:31 AM (HideShow) |
| I use a different strategy. Often what we will do is this.... I will go invis at the beginning when we find out that it's druid/hunter. The hunter will usually then set up a flare and stand in the middle of it. This allows me to know where the hunter is. Once I get into a good position I will come out of invis by popping my pet and then setting my pet to attack the hunter(this makes the hunter auto target the pet, this way he doesnt target me first, for a silencing shot) immediately after I press my pet attack button I begin casting a frostbolt and have my pet freeze him into place at the same time so that he doesn't LoS. As soon as my shatter goes off the rogue then jumps on the hunter. The druid then has to use his nature's swiftness or else we kill the hunter, even when he does get his nature swiftness he will not be able to heal through us unless the hunter is able to LoS on me. However if he does manage to heal his hunter to full after our initial burst then we immediately switch over to the druid. Often the hunter will already have used his trinket and the druid his NS so this allows us for a lot of dps on the druid and a lot of CC on the hunter. | |
| Victus | May 1, 2008 - 6:02 PM (HideShow) |
| Amazing strat Glaxierx. Perfect explanation of how to pull off your shatter to open. We throw in a quick blind on the druid as soon as he apprears. That usually is all we need to down hunter. Granted this is in the 1700s but, most of the guys we see are in full s3 regardless. | |
 Frixeon | May 7, 2008 - 6:49 PM (HideShow) |
| Glacierx is kinda wrong imo. Feign death and silince shot prevents you from casting a frostbolt. the chance that the rogue finds the druid is so small that it's just not reliable to trust on it. Another thing is using LoS to prevent your massive dmg. The waterelemental dies in just 2shots and viper sting still burns you really hard (even after the resilience nerf) Your only chance of winning is a well oiled CC. And lots of target switching!!! For example after the opener the druid pops out of cat: the rogue vanishes and cheapshots the druid, the hunter is sheeped by the mage.. the mage casts a frostbolt on the druid rogue does kidney, druid trinkets and runs behind the obstacle to prevent instant gib. He's out of danger now, and going for the druid now would be really stupid. This is the time where you should switch target, mage puts up a new pet and nukes the hunter, the rogue blinds the druid (Which has no trinket to go out of it). Premediation - - > sprint, kill the hunter aswell. vanish - - > sap druid (if hes in normal form) this is the way you can win to a druid/hunter. Me and my hunter have 0problems with the most fmage rogues. Unless they are master of CC and know how to target switch. OFC many people will say, we own hunter/druids etc etc. Just take this little advise and i hope we meet soon. /frix Cyclone 2v2 2156 | |
| Glacierx | May 14, 2008 - 1:51 AM (HideShow) |
| Actually the strat I offered works quite often and works pretty well IMO. I also dont rely on the rogue to find the druid, we both get on the hunter at the start. Also when I go invis then pop out I make sure my water elemental starts attacking the hunter first, then the hunter will auto-target the pet rather than me. Then I immediately Frost nova the hunter in place so he doesnt LoS me right away. Usually I can get the shatter off before he switches targets and Silence shots me. Also if we're able to get the hunter to trinket pretty quickly we're able to CC him pretty easily for quite a long time if we have to make a switch to the druid. I was only offering the best strat that we've found for playing against Druid/Hunter. The strat also includes target switching if the hunter gets a lot of heals. Also if the druid/hunter is good the druid wont blow his trinket that easily by just putting the rogue on him and me doing ice lances. A hunter on the loose will wtfpwn me pretty quick unless I run and LOS, and GL for me getting a cast off with SS , arcane shot, scatter shot and a pet and hunter on me. Kickback ftl. So if you're a mage/rogue I'd still recommend the strat I provided two posts above, I find that it still works pretty well. | |
| Thricton | May 18, 2008 - 8:10 PM (HideShow) |
| "Then I immediately Frost nova the hunter in place so he doesnt LoS me right away. Usually I can get the shatter off before he switches targets and Silence shots me." Why do these hunters have a >2.5 second reaction time? | |
| Glacierx | May 19, 2008 - 10:58 PM (HideShow) |
| Why do these hunters have a >2.5 second reaction time? More than half the time I get the shatter off, and if u have a better strat why dont u post it. My rogue cheap shots as soon as my pets nova goes off which is when I start casting Fbolt. So they dont have 2.5 sec unless they trinket right away. Usually they have about 1 second after they get frozen in place before they get a cheap shot. If you have better suggestions on how to play the comp then you should probably post it. kthx | |
| Glacierx | May 19, 2008 - 11:00 PM (HideShow) |
| [edit] Why do these hunters have a >2.5 second reaction time? More than half the time I get the shatter off. My rogue cheap shots as soon as my pets nova goes off which is when I start casting Fbolt. So they dont have 2.5 sec unless they trinket right away. Usually they have about 1 second after they get frozen in place before they get a cheap shot. If you have better suggestions on how to play the comp then you should probably post it. kthx | |
 Haiku | May 21, 2008 - 6:35 PM (HideShow) |
| "The Rogue should be sure to Blind/Sap the Hunter after Sheep runs out if the Hunter has already used his trinket." is that a joke?, sap a hunter that stays in battle due to his pet, gg did you make this up on the spot? :S | |
 Bambooca | May 27, 2008 - 12:52 PM (HideShow) |
| hmm... let me see what will roge do if the hunter is Dwarf ? Stone Form | |
| Sufferer | Jun 4, 2008 - 12:16 PM (HideShow) |
| lets blind and sap the hunter after hes on DR from sheep... GRATS GUYS sheep and sap are on DR gl with that | |
| Krooked | Jun 5, 2008 - 11:12 PM (HideShow) |
| What's been working pretty nicely for us 2k-2.1k is having the rogue open with a stunlock on the hunter, while the mage quickly bursts the pet down. As soon as the druid shows his face, have the rogue sprint over and start bashing the shit out of him, while the mage stays on the hunter. Without the pushback from the pet the mage can own the hunter quite easily, forcing the druid to trinket a kidney. Then just blind + sap the druid while finishing of the hunter. | |
| Zukias | Jun 16, 2008 - 10:34 AM (HideShow) |
| i actually rarely lose against this combo... (2k - 2.2k), what we do is just burst the pet down quickly, so no push back whenh icy veins isn't active, and 0 damage when LoSing. This normally also makes the druid come out in attempt to save the pet, though if you shatter the pet and nuke it too hard maybe he wont, so just steadily dps it, it'll die quick enough. then you treat it like a warrior/druid match kind of... try to freeze the hunter behind poles, and obviously polymorph as much as possible... rogue must call for first nuke, which always fails because druid trinkets, now you must survive another 30 seconds until the next KS... the only flaw in this is if kidney shot is resisted, and dont KS the druid until hes on 70% or lower, or his hots will most likely prevent him getting any lower than 20% | |
 Hellstabber | Jul 6, 2008 - 7:51 AM (HideShow) |
| What I do is, get on the hunter and burst him down. Make sure your rogue KS the hunter so no VS on your mage. Then if the druid pops to heal the hunter from the burst you do, have the rogue blind the druid. If he trinkets have your mage either counterspell the druid if the hunter is low, or you could switch to the druid. | |
| Lieto | Aug 4, 2008 - 9:13 AM (HideShow) |
| 0) As in most rogue+mage fights you need to switch to land a kill. Whoever says that mage should start soloing the hunter can.. go west. Rogue+mage should both open on the hunter (rogue stunning) with early imp CS on the druid. Hunter trinketing kidney, druid used NS. Gz, blind hunter, then sheep, then sheep again. Most likely you won. There are alternative ways: 1) Rogue CS hunter and instantly shs to druid+vanish+cs (druid will be up alrdy because shatter hurts). Lock the druid with cs+kidney+gouge. If he doesnt trinket hunter (who should be on 5k at this point) will get raped by mage. If he does: blind him even before he use ns. Remember that Ns use global cooldown so you can perfectly blind after he pop ns and before he land a heal, just save gcd for blind and it should be np. 2) Same as above but with blind going for druid, before everything else. This strategy is somewhat sacrificing the mage :p So you start on the hunter and nuke him hard till druid uses NS (he will, improoved Cs help there so he can keep up healing), then blind a druid and continue hardcore dps. Most druids will trinket blind without regrets thats a place for a switch: cs+kidney druid and he is dead. Mage will be rly low on hp if he didnt hug hunter whole game but rogue should be able to solo hunter without much problems. //now you must survive another 30 seconds until the next KS// KS cooldown is 20 seconds. If you time it with CS its actually 16 till next stun is up. | |
| Lieto | Aug 4, 2008 - 9:15 AM (HideShow) |
| ^^ isnt 100% sure if NS use GCD btw. It just feels like 1,5 second delay, so i assume it does. | |
 Pesticakes | Aug 15, 2008 - 4:59 PM (HideShow) |
| Lieto, you said for the rogue to cheap shot the hunter than instantly shadowstep to the druid. What I want to know is how do you get the cheap shot off on the hunter when 95% of them are going to be in their flare? If you shadowstep in to get the opener, it will be on cd when you go to shs to the druid. A good hunter won't leave his flare. | |
| Zukias | Aug 25, 2008 - 3:05 PM (HideShow) |
| NS does not use a gcd o,O | |
 Danielsnag | Sep 9, 2008 - 5:08 AM (HideShow) |
| Listen to Glacierx's stratergy, works ALOT better then any of yours. | |
| Jollyxroger | Sep 15, 2008 - 3:05 PM (HideShow) |
| i dont like this strategy i just got a new team with a friend and honestly..we can out dps those heals lol | |
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