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  | Torment The Underbog US-Retaliation |
 | Frost Mage/Destruction Warlock | VS. |  | Mage/Rogue |
Updated 4/1/2009
This comp will be another uphill fight for you, as most Rogue teams are. You'll want to kill the Rogue here, while controlling the Mage as best as possible. As it stands, the best thing you can do is Seduce the Rogue when he opens on the Warlock and prepare your normal Chaos Bolt to Shadowfury combo on him. From there you can keep casting/spam seducing him (after Shadowfury, cast Immolate, Seduce after the initial damage, Corruption, then Conflagrate after). If you can get some decent initial damage pre-cloak on the Rogue you'll find the match to be in your favor. If you also feel like you can kill him right there, Death Coil before he cloaks and finish the job.
Normally however the Rogue will live through that and use Cloak to survive. At this point you'll want to Demonic Circle away and prepare for him to reopen. Trinket if he uses Cheapshot, Death Coil/Fear/Seduce him off yourself, get a DoT on him and finish him off.
The Mages damage here is normally heavily mitigated due to Nether Protection on the Warlock, hence why the Rogue is the focus here. Be prepared to Fel Domination a Voidwalker out and sacrifice it for that 8k bubble against this comp. Another thing to keep your eye on for is breaking the Rogues stealth with Shadowfury if it's up and you see him vanish or if he has just sapped your partner.
Mage PoV:
Basically kill the Rogue, try to CC the Mage as much as you can, it will be hard due to Mage Armor and Trinket/Ice Block. Try to keep the Rogue off your Warlock, but really you will want to try to focus on killing the Rogue as fast as you can, they will be killing your Warlock faster.
Most of the time it ends up being a Mage vs Mage fight, then it's all on you
This comp will be another uphill fight for you, as most Rogue teams are. You'll want to kill the Rogue here, while controlling the Mage as best as possible. As it stands, the best thing you can do is Seduce the Rogue when he opens on the Warlock and prepare your normal Chaos Bolt to Shadowfury combo on him. From there you can keep casting/spam seducing him (after Shadowfury, cast Immolate, Seduce after the initial damage, Corruption, then Conflagrate after). If you can get some decent initial damage pre-cloak on the Rogue you'll find the match to be in your favor. If you also feel like you can kill him right there, Death Coil before he cloaks and finish the job.
Normally however the Rogue will live through that and use Cloak to survive. At this point you'll want to Demonic Circle away and prepare for him to reopen. Trinket if he uses Cheapshot, Death Coil/Fear/Seduce him off yourself, get a DoT on him and finish him off.
The Mages damage here is normally heavily mitigated due to Nether Protection on the Warlock, hence why the Rogue is the focus here. Be prepared to Fel Domination a Voidwalker out and sacrifice it for that 8k bubble against this comp. Another thing to keep your eye on for is breaking the Rogues stealth with Shadowfury if it's up and you see him vanish or if he has just sapped your partner.
Mage PoV:
Basically kill the Rogue, try to CC the Mage as much as you can, it will be hard due to Mage Armor and Trinket/Ice Block. Try to keep the Rogue off your Warlock, but really you will want to try to focus on killing the Rogue as fast as you can, they will be killing your Warlock faster.
Most of the time it ends up being a Mage vs Mage fight, then it's all on you
Comments: | |
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| Torment | Mar 19, 2009 - 7:56 AM (HideShow) |
| We might have something more solid for this comp as we will probably be playing a lot of Mage/Rogue shortly. I'm coming up with something very different that should (ideally) make this match up easier. Rogue is still the kill target though, I'll try to get a new strat shortly. | |
 Pewpewlazer | Mar 28, 2009 - 10:57 PM (HideShow) |
| New strat pleaseeeee this comp is sucha bitch | |
| Torment | Mar 29, 2009 - 7:21 AM (HideShow) |
| Yeah sorry, there's way too much back and forth in this current strat vs. them. Killing the Rogue has worked best for us, but I'll try to clean this up on the next edit. | |
 Shadowsong | Mar 29, 2009 - 10:34 AM (HideShow) |
| Yea this comp is a real pain, as it stands at the moment i normally get killed on the opener or shortly after i portal/nitro boots. However hopefully there is some damage on the rogue who has also used most if not all his CD's. My mage manages to finish off the rogue and then it is mage vs mage which really can go any way as they have the ability to reset the fight via running away/invis etc. | |
| Torment | Apr 1, 2009 - 12:51 PM (HideShow) |
| Alright, cleaned it up - hope this helps more than the last. | |
| Jasonlulz | Apr 1, 2009 - 3:58 PM (HideShow) |
| basically shadowsong hit it on the head. A good/mage rogue can easily drop you during an opener (rogues have a trick that they can use that basically lets them kill us during their opener) Its called opening with a CloS. In which point youre near dead after its gone. If they do this YOU MUST DMG/pressure both of them as much as you can. There is no point going survival because at this point its upto your mage to do the work. | |
| Torment | Apr 1, 2009 - 10:34 PM (HideShow) |
| I think I added it to my healer/Rogue strats, don't know why I forgot it here... but, if the Rogue precloaks, always trinket/portal asap. The match is actually in your favour if they precloak, because once you portal and get away, you still have no DR on seduce, hes down a cloak, you have coil/shadowfury etc... But yes, often times the Warlock will die and it will be Mage vs. Mage. In a lot of cases though the Rogue dies right before the Warlock dies, and it's really beneficial to fel dom a void and sac it. | |
| Torment | Apr 1, 2009 - 11:12 PM (HideShow) |
| Oh, I also forgot to mention that you should look out for the Mage CS'ing your Succubus. If they consistently do this in the first couple seconds of her Seduce channel on the Rogue, you'll want to start casting a fear on the Rogue a tad after the first Seduce goes off. | |
| Jasonlulz | Apr 2, 2009 - 1:10 PM (HideShow) |
| with the current bug to the Backstab glyph most good geared rogues can drop me during a cloaked Cheapshot. with little help from his mage (if u trinket the cheapshot u instantly get kidneyed or vanished re-opened) You are right you need to portal asap after his FIRST kidney, but if hes UD there is little to no hope. Fine he re-opens u seduce. he then will WotF, then u seduce again and theres not much left you are usually dead. | |
| Torment | Apr 2, 2009 - 2:35 PM (HideShow) |
| I haven't ran into any Rogues since the bug was made public to most Rogues ;). I'm wondering if a trinket/portal macro would help a lot against this team, so you could guarantee that portal when you trinket. Undead definitely make this harder, but I see it in my head as 1st seduce->wotf (re-seduce), 2nd->Trinket (maybe), if not he gets nuked, 3rd-> 1 more nuke followed by your shadowfury/death coil lock outs + deep freeze. He normally gets blown the hell up during all that, which is why I find precloaking more beneficial to our team. I still love somehow losing 40% (coldblood evis :[) of my health when the Rogue is on me for 1 global. | |
| Jasonlulz | Apr 5, 2009 - 8:20 PM (HideShow) |
| Torment the thing is with a precloak it goes like this Cheapshot+Cloak=you get owned for 5 seconds (and mage pops images to interupt your mage) you are then down to maybe 40% hp or so. It doesnt take much for them to finish you at this point. | |
| Pewpewlazer | Apr 5, 2009 - 9:18 PM (HideShow) |
| I cant take this comp its ridicolous automatic loss every single game | |
 Arthric | Apr 13, 2009 - 9:43 AM (HideShow) |
| i see it's edited is that cause kaseo/logos changed up their strat and started farming you guys? =O | |
| Torment | Apr 13, 2009 - 10:29 AM (HideShow) |
| Hmm, Kaseo/Logos are pretty good but it was actually edited because the initial version was very sloppy. I don't recall them ever farming us when I play them as Destruction, we normally go toe to toe with win/loss but they take more points because they're lower ;). | |
| Fleetwood | Apr 13, 2009 - 12:49 PM (HideShow) |
| We started running destro/mage last night and had some big issues with mage/rogue as well. Frost/mute teams seem at least winnable to a degree but any arcane/sdance team feels like an absolute auto-loss unfortunately. Ambush->PoM AB->Barrage is just about enough to drop the lock in two to three globals. | |
 Vðna | Apr 30, 2009 - 7:36 AM (HideShow) |
| The good thing about being farmed by this comp is that it makes the Lock & Mage absolute killing machines when faced vs. most other comps not featuring a Rogue. The bad thing is around 50% of our 2s matchups consist of Rogues. :( I wish the instant Seduction still worked, I'm down to 50-60% HP before the first seduce kicks in. | |
 Kylskaap | May 12, 2009 - 9:21 PM (HideShow) |
| We've started to run into a lot of problems with this one. The hardest part is telling if the rogue pre-cloaks or doesn't and watching those tiny buff frames for it is crap. Are there any useful addons that can track this? Would help a lot. | |
 Lockton | May 15, 2009 - 6:18 AM (HideShow) |
| Hi Torment would this setup be viable with me( the lock being) affliction? Stil the same CC ability and also damage is always running, UA could prove valuable against rogue healer setups aswel | |
| Revorta | May 23, 2009 - 5:38 PM (HideShow) |
| I don't think you'd have the burst, Lockton. An instant fear is nice, but Shadowfury and destro's crazy crits do quite a lot for this team. | |
  Bodiiguard | May 28, 2009 - 6:38 PM (HideShow) |
| we played pretty aggressively against this team - if my mage got sapped, (we always tried to bait it), he has a macro /trinket (dont really need it vs this team... my mage could los polys and is basically immune to stuns...) /use frost nova of course, rogue will vanish to break the root and usually sprint to me... id be waiting about 30yds away w/ a shadowfury... got him 90% of the time. (gotta be quick!) meanwhile their mage is usually still invisible (if they pop it.. some do, some dont) and will be tryin to CC my mage (los ftw) and as destro, i could kill rogues on my own... i just got a good rotation - (more distance the better) Sfury>poly>SoulF+immo+conflag(hit all same time)> seduce immediately>SoulF>immo> (let the seduce tick long as feasible) Sfury>chaos bolt+skill coil>incinerate>conflag> seduce> soul fire>immo>shadowburn... (backdraft is so ftw) If the rogue gets a CoS off in there somewhere, due to lag or bad timing/distance... ur gonna need to seduce him when he opens up on u near the end of cheap shot (or trinket cheap shot if ur almost dead) b4 the kidney - then port outta that batch and finish the rotation... all ur mage has to do is keep the other mage busy... most people will trinket the first poly, but it can be anticipated easily. if necessary u can use ur first seduce (after u trick them into trinket the poly) to keep the rogue for the full 10 seconds, to get some pressure on the other > quick switch CC (seduce from rogue to mage, cuz by then they ususaly IB or somethin) > and rotate as above and as always UD are a problem and 1 early broken CC is usually a game-loser... p.s. i havent played in 3 months i just started again today! so if things are diff now, i apologize. | |
| Lordofmagic | Jul 28, 2009 - 12:34 AM (HideShow) |
| Im really quite fed up with fighting mage rogue, i know the guide says try kill the rogue as fast as u can, but its just almost imposs a good rogue will most likely be able to avoid damage untill the warlock is dead, one thing we have been trying is when the rogue opens on the warlock is to sheep/seduce the rogue to let my warlock get some sort of distance, while waisting the majority of his cheap shot.. | |
| Hajie | Jul 31, 2009 - 3:30 AM (HideShow) |
| GJ | |
| Moonfrost | Aug 23, 2009 - 11:53 AM (HideShow) |
| nobody opens up with a deep freeze on the rogue? | |
 Safuya | Sep 20, 2009 - 7:02 PM (HideShow) |
| I usually start with a deep freeze on the rogue to help our warlock get abit of distance. Rogue might trinket out, but it leaves more cc options on the rogue for the warlock then, without the worry of trinket. | |
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