Strategies
Dreamstate Druid/Rogue
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- Suggest Strategies
Author
  | Mithos Madmortem EU-Blutdurst |
 | Dreamstate Druid/Rogue | VS. |   | Shaman/Warrior |
This combination can be difficult due to Windfury/Heroism and... a Warrior . The advantage you have against this setup is, that you can CC the Warrior quite easily. Your Rogue should stay on the Shaman all the time while your Druid tries to Cyclone and Root the Warrior. You should destroy Windfury Totems immediately (either your Rogue one-hits them or your Druid uses his Totem killer macro). This match-up should be safe if you are able to control the Warrior well and stay aware of destroying the Windfury Totems.
When their Shaman drops low your Druid should assist him quickly using Moon Fire/Insect Swarm/Wrath/Wrath combos. But generally you should focus on CC'ing the Warrior, since he can be an awful pain if he's on your Rogue too long.
When their Shaman drops low your Druid should assist him quickly using Moon Fire/Insect Swarm/Wrath/Wrath combos. But generally you should focus on CC'ing the Warrior, since he can be an awful pain if he's on your Rogue too long.
Tips
- Destroy Windfury Totems immediately
- Crowd control the Warrior all the time
Comments: | |
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 Enzymatic | May 8, 2008 - 7:42 AM (HideShow) |
| Alternate strategy.. Tunnel vision the warrior, CC the shaman. Warrior dies. Start off on the warrior with dps and wrath spam, get them low.. try to take out poison cleansing totem and groundings. Once the warrior gets around 50% hp (believe me they will). Throw a cyclone onto the shaman, they will trinket and most likely NS the warrior (which is good). Switch CC's onto the warrior and wait for your Diminishing return on cyclones to be off the shaman. Once they are.. do the same thing, re-open on warrior with the rogue and wrath spam/moonfire, CC the shaman again but this time they wont have a trinket and NS to save the warrior.. Feral charge/bash on the shaman.. kill grounding, cyclone, cyclone, blind shaman, then wrath the warrior and its GG. | |
 Karnxy | May 8, 2008 - 10:17 AM (HideShow) |
| Sounds to me linke Enzymatic doesnt quite know what a Dreamstate druid is. Stay on the shaman, he will die. The comp is not quite difficult, it's quite easy. | |
| Enzymatic | May 9, 2008 - 11:02 AM (HideShow) |
| Hence the reason why I said "Alternate strategy" and not "Best strategy" and thanks for that. | |
| Kìara | May 12, 2008 - 5:38 AM (HideShow) |
| The point he was trying to make is that a Dreamstate druid doesnt have Feral Charge. | |
 Deathknight | May 14, 2008 - 3:01 PM (HideShow) |
| Alternative strategy: Rogue dps the Shaman while Druid kicks totems + CC's the War / Dps the Shaman Rogues can interrupt 100% of the Shamans heals due Kick -> DT -> Kidney / Gouge rotation. You can use Blind as an interrupt as you will ruin the DR on cyclone if you blind the warrior. Pretty easy Combo. The only thing that can bring you a lose, is a warrior who is very lucky on macestuns / wf proccs. | |
| Deathknight | May 14, 2008 - 3:02 PM (HideShow) |
| ups not so alternative at all ;) | |
| Cendrid | May 15, 2008 - 8:19 AM (HideShow) |
| I usually slow-dps the warrior while CCing him as the rogue chases the shaman around. Forces the shaman to stop and heal both players, not just worry about himself and makes it a lot easier than both of us trying to chase a shaman and CC'ing a warrior (assuming shaman is pillar humping/totem dropping the entire match). Most of the time I can solo a warrior to 50% pretty easily if he doesn't use his shield to reflect. | |
| Shankdamus | May 20, 2008 - 9:49 PM (HideShow) |
| For this strategy, me and my partner like to go after the warrior, we can honestly burn the shamans mana so quick by secretly killing the shamans poison cleansing totem and keeping full DoTs on the warrior. I'd start off on the warrior with premed garrote hemo rupture, my druid partner starts hopping on the warrior, melees the poison cleansing and windfury totem, cyclones the shaman, eventually killing the mana tide totem, therefore having the shaman run out of mana. Leading up to the eventual degradement of the warrior. | |
| Toophat | May 23, 2008 - 7:43 AM (HideShow) |
| grounding totem shocks hamstring spam +mace stunz this team if played right is very hard but if shaman doesnt use grounding totem and just spams windury its ez just cc war | |
 Needlez | May 26, 2008 - 9:39 AM (HideShow) |
| Sticking to the shaman 100% of the game? hf loosing aginst good sham warrs,or hey i guess you can blame it on rng like every1 else :) | |
 Melony | May 27, 2008 - 9:15 AM (HideShow) |
| Enzymatic, it's more than the feral charge too, blind and cyclone are on the same DR. Blind will last about a second or two if you do it after two cyclones, your strat would work if instead of double cyclone blind you would just blind > Sap > cyclone > cyclone, that has potential to work. | |
| Mithos | May 31, 2008 - 8:27 AM (HideShow) |
| @ Needlez, i heard your mana-regen-thingy got buffed, we haven`t faced those teams yet, i am sorry, but i don`t think, if the shaman is nearly oom, he can heal against the pressure of dreamstate AND the rogue... | |
| Pulchritude | Jun 7, 2008 - 5:41 AM (HideShow) |
| Shamans are being spoken of like a mob that can heal. A dreamstate druid who cannot feral charge won't be getting off cyclones on any shaman who can find his rank 1 earth shock button without the rogue focusing him. So yes, you must attack the shaman. | |
| Pirated | Jun 10, 2008 - 9:46 PM (HideShow) |
| seems like this can go both ways to me I played with my rogue on the shaman while I CC the warrior (who is mostly on me, but switches to my rogue if I get too far away) it's far from an easy fight if they know how to rotate earth shock, pummel, and grounding...one good team we played was using grounding to eat nature's grasp and a few key cyclones, and with a lusted sword spec warrior on you, it's easy to drop fast if a CC doesn't land | |
| Intensifier | Jun 18, 2008 - 1:31 AM (HideShow) |
| Uhm. weve been having an easy mode time with them just staying on the shaman, but now theyll pop heroism and deathwish and all their dps shit and theyll kill my druid. no matter what. the sham will use his insta-nature spell for insta-chain lightning and finish my druid off. helpz? | |
| Mithos | Jun 18, 2008 - 7:17 PM (HideShow) |
| @ Intensifier We recently fought some shaman/warriors at 2.3k rating. We lost some matches, but won the majority. THOSE matches we lost were because I (druid) died instantly. There are few things one can do about that but they are important. Try to play defensive most of the time. DO NOT cyclone the warrior, otherwise he will charge you. HE will get a charge otherwise though. But if you try to stay far away the totems of the Shaman won`t work. If he his staying on you, you must try to kite the warrior away from his shaman -> no assist/purges/frostshocks/totems/earthshocks and all those stuff... try to kite the warrior behind a pillar and/or root him and try to assist your shaman. In general your druid should play very defensivly... Only if he isn`t in danger and the shaman is getting low he can usw Moonfire/IS for some extra damage (you can cyclone in some occasions 2 but rather stay defensive) As a matter of fact, if they stay on your rogue, you shouldn`t have to many problems... its easy to heal against and one can CC the warrior well... Their only chance is to kill your druid "together" -> seperation :) | |
 Crafity | Jun 29, 2008 - 3:19 PM (HideShow) |
| Nice guide Mithos, thanks for that! But I miss a strategy for priest/rogue (shs and mutilate). Would be great if you can add your exp with this combo. But this combo is realy fun :). | |
| Wikka | Jun 30, 2008 - 6:24 PM (HideShow) |
| I've been having some trouble against this team. To start the match, my rogue saps the warrior and starts DPSing the shammy. I cyclone the warrior right after the warrior breaks sap with bloodlust or w/ever it is, and kill the totems with my totem macro. The warrior, however, just sticks on my rogue, spamstrings, so the rogue can't get on the shammy, and i can't CC the warrior due to the shammy earth shocking me. At no point in the match does the warrior come and attack me, and by the time i actually get a CC off due to earth shock, spell reflect, and grounding totems my rogue is already at 20-30%, even with some HoTs ticking. I have been rank 1 moonfiring him if he has a shield/sword on so spell reflects dont work, but im my rogue seems unable to get to the shammy other than when cyclones and roots are up, otherwise the warrior is just sitting on him, leaving the shammy free to harass me making it even harder to CC the warrior. Any ideas? | |
| Fartacuss | Jul 19, 2008 - 9:26 PM (HideShow) |
| I just started arenas at about the end of S3 and right now into S4 me and a dreamstate druid picked up and are tetering around 1600 right now. the teams we face amaze me because one day we go 6-0 the next we go 0-10 to 10 warrior resto druid teams, but the thing tht bugs me most is the other day we lost to 4 resto shammy warrior teams, which we should have. beasically what is happening is i'm trying to stick to the shaman but with me being frost shocked or spamstringed the shaman just runs around a piller and heals himself easily there snothing i can do about it whiel their warrior wtfowns my face maybe it's just lucky mace stuns or somthing because we have in the past beat this comp, i'm wondering what else i could do should i be playing more defensivly and letting the druid paly more offensivly or what i have no idea. | |
| Trunar | Jul 27, 2008 - 10:55 PM (HideShow) |
| Im also having big porblems with this setup .. and tbh if i as much as tryes to CC the warrior i get shocked grounded spell reflected .. charged .. what ever .. and my rogue can kill the shammy with a warrior on ... and my hots simply ar'nt enough to keep him up .. we tryed with killing warrior and chain cc shaman .. but cant pull it off .. we hibernate him while he is in GW .. my rogue opens with garote and ill start suport dps .. and after some time shamy is out of hibernate .. then we blinde him .. and he will trinket we Cyclone warrior to see if we can get dem returns of shaman .. but then it will start .. the ground shock pummle charge what ever .. and we cant reset fight .. cant kill shammy .. and warrior is like WF mace stun charge fear dead druid in 3 seks -.- any surgestions ? | |
 Fenomenon | Jul 27, 2008 - 11:40 PM (HideShow) |
| Me and my dr00d started play-ing this setup in s3 and vs warrior+shammy we "stole" the tactic from buddhist's and lewt's clip and it seems 2 be working pretty good :P better than thi actualy so generaly this is what u do have ur rogue 2 preasure the shammy as if he was soloing him meanwhile ur dr00d soloes the warrior remove windfury if it's next 2 ur rogue let the rogue kill it if not moonfire rank 1 basicley splite em up if the shammy dosen't trinket a stun keep preasuring him and they either both die @ the same time or u lose... if the shammy dose trinket a stun blind it and assist ur dr00d @ dpsing the warr. Remember 2 SPLIT THEM UP! preferabley 1 on each side of the map | |
| Animocity | Jul 28, 2008 - 7:46 AM (HideShow) |
| i recommend killing the warr, druid keep 3x lifeblom ticking on rogue while wrath spamming warr, try not to get intercepted, ccing the shammy is not that important, usually we win due to the shammy going oom not gibbing the warr, throw cyclone + starfire + cyclone + starfire on teh warr, shammy will attempt to heal the cyclone and lose even more mana plus this will get the warr dangerously low. | |
| Nucklz | Aug 1, 2008 - 11:30 PM (HideShow) |
| Start with Hibernate/sap ---> Blind on the Shammy and imediatly go FULL offense on the warrior If the warrior is low and the shammy trinkets druid should opt a Natures swift cyclone on the warrior,(In most cases this will eat the instant depending on the shammy ;]) = warrior die's, QQ 2 mins warrior shammy match ;p. also if you dont sucseed with the burst, switch to the shammy make him run/attempt drink ,switch and burst the warrior when the shammy is on way to return Natures swift -> hibernate him (assuming GW form) just for the laugh xD warrior dies QQ lernt this from a skilled druid I played with <3 | |
| Nucklz | Aug 1, 2008 - 11:33 PM (HideShow) |
| P.S dont assume Nature's swiftness is just for healing ;-] | |
| Cheatindeath | Aug 3, 2008 - 2:28 PM (HideShow) |
| this is what happens to us against good shaman warrior. u go for shaman, shaman hugs coffin or pillar in nagrand, or downstairs while warrior spamstrins u, totems randomly get LOS from ur druids moonfire between WF, purges, mace stuns bloodlust, the wariro has me the rogue fairly low if not proccing cheat death, druid cant keep me up with hots, and every attempt to cc warrior is met with LOS spell reflect grounding (which is round a pillar droppd by then) or earth shock u go for warrior, its all awesome and u win every game timing CC well, until the warrior realises he has a shield and can intervien and disarm shaman just uses drink bug every heal he can and tada ur druid goes oom and u lose. IMO hands down hardest combo for rogue druid, least every other combo doesnt have RNG bullshit wf mace stuns | |
| Joab | Aug 4, 2008 - 2:36 PM (HideShow) |
| i have the same problem as Cheatindeath...i guess we need to figure out a new strategy or something :-P | |
 Kaagan | Aug 6, 2008 - 11:08 AM (HideShow) |
| Heh, I play Shaman/Warrior and I'm sitting around 1870'ish without experience 1950+. I almost had my Vengeful shoulders the other day when I encountered Druid/Rogue about 5-6 times.. the strategem they used against me was exactly what Mithos said before, separation. The only way to lose as Druid/Rogue against Shaman/Warrior is for your Druid to be caught in Human form at about 80%. If you are ever caught in that situation, I suggest instant rooting, NS Cycloning or some serious Crippling poisons on the Warrior, with kicks/Gouges on the Shaman. And @ Cheatindeath.. if your Druid is running OOM before the Shaman, and you're letting him drink, GG you don't have too much to look forwards to in the coming future. | |
| Itmayhurt | Aug 14, 2008 - 9:19 AM (HideShow) |
| really not much to say, druid can die in 3-4 seconds to lolwtfprocs rogue can die in 3-4 seconds to lolwtfprocs (if CD is on cooldown). you'r advantage is CC, not burst or longevity. use it. oh and plz, munfaer teh mana tide totemz | |
 Golijov | Aug 18, 2008 - 4:45 PM (HideShow) |
| Shaman can shock, but it's not hard to get a CC up on either of them really. Rogue can just gouge the shaman while the druid casts w/e CCs need to be cast. If kill the important totems quickly (grounding/poison cleansing/windfury) and just stick to the warrior it's really easy to run the shaman out of mana. Switching repeatedly to whichever target doesn't have earthshield (though not the shaman if water shield is up) is also an effective method of burning the shaman's mana. Either way, it's really easy to keep the warrior under control if you don't suck. | |
 Kasrakha | Aug 22, 2008 - 11:21 AM (HideShow) |
| im playing sham / warr currently and fought top druid rogue teams on my battlegroup, ignore my current rating, been meeting alot of mage rogue teams lately.. still. theres not one tactic that will give u the win every time u fight sham / warr. you have to adapt. you can play it the lockdown / kill warrior strat, but be aware, you will loose with that tactic if the warrior just sit on ur rogue. so if warrior will chase the druid, chase him away and solo him. | |
| Enragedfish | Aug 24, 2008 - 8:32 AM (HideShow) |
| the key for a warrior/shaman team basicly is getting a burst kill on the druid if you go for the outlasting game against druid/rogue as a shaman toughness specced you will loose the mana warr if they dont let u drink, therefor it is key to as mentioned above to catch the druid in normal form around 60-80% put down a wf mash ur cleanse button make sure to interupt any cc/regrowth pop BL spamme LB/CL etc, anything to get the druid down when the time is right. | |
| Alaren | Sep 17, 2008 - 1:54 PM (HideShow) |
| Here's what I do.... At the beginning, the shaman will put all his totems while me and my rogue are stealth, then he'll go back to animal form. What we do, my rogue stays near the shaman stealthed. He waits till the totems fade away and when the shaman goes back to caster for to repop totems, He saps the shaman. Once the shaman is sapped, we go RLY hard on the war. Warrior will be at 50% easily once the sap is done. Once sap is done, if the shaman didnt trinket out if it. I start Cyclone him. He'll use his trinket at a time. If he does, I start chain cycloning the war while the rogue beats on the shaman. Once war is immune to my cyclones, I switch cylcones on shaman or rogues goes back on warrior. We never lost to any WAR/SHAM. This tactic is extremly efficient. | |
| Hotnrun | Sep 18, 2008 - 4:07 PM (HideShow) |
| Is it me or did this combo just go God-Mode come season 4 weps? | |
| Vahinko | Sep 22, 2008 - 7:05 AM (HideShow) |
| Just dps warrior get out low energy get in when energy up. rememper allways use trow to shaman when you gome out of warrior so shaman cant drink hack. We try this and shaman vent oom when my druid was like 40-50% mana left. Your druid can drink o lot when you using evasion and then get off the warrior. Druid must use totem macro sry very bad english. | |
| Theshadow | Sep 23, 2008 - 10:03 AM (HideShow) |
| I find it best to stick the warrior that might be because I'm mutilate spec tho. Good shamans can throw down a earthbind totem and poison clensing and be on their merry way quite a bit, allowing them to get a heal off sometimes two if you get an intercept. Shamans can usually go oom preaty fast if you stick the warrior hard enough and druid takes care of the totems. I also like to save evasion for the heroism because thats the time they hit very hard. | |
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