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Strategies
Arcane Mage/Rogue
Author
  | Pihwi Chromaggus EU-Reckoning |
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General Information
Interlude
Recently I have been receiving such substantial amounts of whispers regarding our 2v2 strategies that, as it happens, it's beginning to get mildly irritating repeating myself time after time to strangers, so I thought I'd scrap up a revised guide and share some of my insights and opinions on how to overcome certain comps that other Rogue/Mages seem to be struggling with. This is, however, not Sparta, but the 3.1.0 Rogue/Arcane Mage 2v2 Guide - The Frost Mage Incompatible Edition. From the Rogue Point of View. Brought to you by the creators of KABLAMO and the world famous, critically acclaimed PomPyro/Rogue guide back in Season 3.
General
Similar to our previous setup from BC (PomPyro/Rogue) this variable of the Rogue/Mage provides insane amounts of burst and overall DPS, but lacks survivability. Therefore forget any supplemental resilience - it's for the weakminded(COWARDS.wav) anyway.
As far as the strategies featured in this guide go, I can only say that they have been proven eligible in most scenarios. I am not claiming them to be the only and/or best strategies available, but they have worked great so far and I highly recommend trying them out.
Recently I have been receiving such substantial amounts of whispers regarding our 2v2 strategies that, as it happens, it's beginning to get mildly irritating repeating myself time after time to strangers, so I thought I'd scrap up a revised guide and share some of my insights and opinions on how to overcome certain comps that other Rogue/Mages seem to be struggling with. This is, however, not Sparta, but the 3.1.0 Rogue/Arcane Mage 2v2 Guide - The Frost Mage Incompatible Edition. From the Rogue Point of View. Brought to you by the creators of KABLAMO and the world famous, critically acclaimed PomPyro/Rogue guide back in Season 3.
General
Similar to our previous setup from BC (PomPyro/Rogue) this variable of the Rogue/Mage provides insane amounts of burst and overall DPS, but lacks survivability. Therefore forget any supplemental resilience - it's for the weakminded(COWARDS.wav) anyway.
As far as the strategies featured in this guide go, I can only say that they have been proven eligible in most scenarios. I am not claiming them to be the only and/or best strategies available, but they have worked great so far and I highly recommend trying them out.
Builds
Gear
Rogue
As I already mentioned, resilience is pretty much redundant. As a rogue you should always maximize AP/Agi and forget the rest. And remember kids, always have http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=44631 enchanted on your cloak!
Mage
Primarily my Mage prefers to use PvP Gear, because a Mage's PvE gear lacks Spell Power and favours useless stats (PvP-wise) such as hit. It's all about Spell Power and Haste. I also hear having a 'Use: Increases Spell Power by X for X seconds' trinket increases the chances of those dearly loved big-ass numbers (OVER 9000 !!) suddenly popping on your screen.
Matchups
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 Boomkindruid | Jun 30, 2009 - 7:29 PM (HideShow) |
| Very in depth, would love to see some more matchups in the future. | |
  Ownwithpride | Jun 30, 2009 - 7:45 PM (HideShow) |
| I can't believe this needs a guide. | |
| Audrina | Jul 1, 2009 - 3:08 AM (HideShow) |
| I usually had problems with resto Druid / retri Paladin. Could you post a tactic against that one? Nice guide btw :) | |
 Scylerose | Jul 1, 2009 - 3:12 AM (HideShow) |
| ret pally just 3 shot either one... | |
| Pihwi | Jul 1, 2009 - 6:44 AM (HideShow) |
| Yeah well the thing is any decent ret/healer comp shits all over you unless you get real lucky (Probably getting a disconnect on either one of them?) :D At least we haven't been able to find a working strat against good Ret teams. By the time he gets the second HoJ it's over, usually even before that. | |
 Blameme | Jul 1, 2009 - 4:05 PM (HideShow) |
| What do you do against Disc Priest / Ret paladin? | |
| Bloom | Jul 1, 2009 - 4:39 PM (HideShow) |
| Versus Disc Priest/ Ret we usually sap the priest and sheep the ret in order to have a good opener on the priest. We then land a good burst on the priest in order to force pain suppress. If the paladin doesnt trinket just resheep him until he does and blind him on trinket to force a bubble. When he bubbles, we just reset the fight with vanish/invis and rego on a dps cycle on the priest or the ret depending on the situation. The big problem with this comp is the insane burst the ret can land on either the rogue or mage but for the moment this technique works pretty well for us. As for Druid/ret we have a technique which is efficient for the moment (around 2k rating). We just land a sap on the ret and try to kill him before he bubbles. Just open with cheap shot and coordinate your 2nd or 3rd arcane blast with a coldblood muti/evi. If the pal is around 14k hp during your burst he will most likely die with a blast/barrage + muti. Just be sure to silence the drood before you go into the burst, we usually don't have to blind the drood either but if the ret bubbles we try to reset the game and wait for our own cds and kill the ret with the same engage. The real problem is dk/Droods which often kick our asses. We usually try to sap the dk and go for the drood and kill him as fast as possible (I usually invis if the dk rushes me with his goul in order to keep him out of combat). | |
| Cryz | Jul 2, 2009 - 3:04 PM (HideShow) |
| why shouldn't this need a guide Ownwithpride? it's hard enough with frost/muti, i think arc/muti is sometimes even harder against specific combos. | |
| Ownwithpride | Jul 2, 2009 - 9:42 PM (HideShow) |
| Because arc plays around insta casts waiting for things to proc. Ret pallies seems to be the only problem. | |
 Idofaceroll | Jul 4, 2009 - 9:13 AM (HideShow) |
| you dont think the paly use sacrifice if he use trinket `? ._. | |
| Idofaceroll | Jul 4, 2009 - 9:13 AM (HideShow) |
| and agree with Ownwithpride. If you look at my name, you see I agree that I faceroll, but this setup.. is pathetic faceroll | |
 Híde | Jul 4, 2009 - 11:55 AM (HideShow) |
| what about paladin warrior? beacon pallies just chain sac, aura mastery and bubble together long enough for the warrior to kill me. with dispels its impossible to reset | |
| Híde | Jul 4, 2009 - 12:02 PM (HideShow) |
| we have tried to kill the warrior but the pally just LoSes every sheep and the warrior spam charges me every .5 seconds once kidney wears off | |
 Gleek | Jul 5, 2009 - 3:11 AM (HideShow) |
| It honestly seems impossible to grind this comp to 2k. Only because you're bound to face a ret pala every other game!!!! >_< | |
| Pihwi | Jul 5, 2009 - 9:51 AM (HideShow) |
| We haven't faced any problems with warrior teams. The 10-15k Arcane Blasts seem to melt them pretty nicely. And yeah ret palas are a pain in the ass, as well as feral druids..Lucky for us we don't encounter them all that often, and we've been able to grind this setup to 2600-2700 :P | |
| Shinronn | Jul 6, 2009 - 5:47 AM (HideShow) |
| You know whats hard is lvling to 80 and not getting any fkin daggers for 2 weeks and having to play with gay s4 daggers so you stagger around 1700 rating becuz you cant put out the dps necessary to put enough pressure. | |
| Amiz | Jul 6, 2009 - 8:07 AM (HideShow) |
| "Because arc plays around insta casts waiting for things to proc. Ret pallies seems to be the only problem. " Rotfl go away from here please, you have no idea | |
| Híde | Jul 7, 2009 - 12:17 AM (HideShow) |
| explain to me how to kill a ret pally when he just freedoms every kidney and runs instantly behind LoS? | |
| Xdarise | Jul 7, 2009 - 7:06 AM (HideShow) |
| I honestly prefer frost in mage rogue for extra CC | |
| Blazïn | Jul 11, 2009 - 1:22 PM (HideShow) |
| strategy? SPAM FACEROLL ARCANE BARRAGE WHILE ROGUE STUNS TARGET HEHEHE AND THEN AN OCCASIONAL ARCANE MISSILE | |
 Chessiekék | Jul 13, 2009 - 8:10 AM (HideShow) |
| I'm the highest rated player in the world with this setup, and I can honestly tell this guide is shit and I wouldn't follow it. | |
| Kaseolol | Jul 14, 2009 - 10:38 AM (HideShow) |
| I agree with Cheesiekek. I haven't played Arcane Mage Rogue as of yet, but from playing Frost Mut I have a general idea and all these strategies seem extremely flawed. Not sure what skill level opponents you're fighting but they don't seem to be very intelligent. Most of the strategies are things that the opponents can easily pick up on and counter very easily. | |
| Hiyde | Jul 16, 2009 - 2:27 PM (HideShow) |
| you can sort of make use of these strats, however don't play them like they're set in stone. We got up to 2500 yesterday and trust me, you can't do it by repeating the same old thing. Enemy teams can easily counter what you're doing once you play them more than once, so you have to be constantly changing it up and keeping them on their toes. | |
| Footsoldier | Jul 22, 2009 - 2:57 PM (HideShow) |
| i am having difficulty mastering the arenas and dueling i am a lvl 80 rogue and done bg and wg always arenas are new to i av gone for your 41.5.25 talents wat is the best move for rouges when attacking coz i seem to get wiped out all the time. | |
| Iolyourmom | Jul 25, 2009 - 2:19 AM (HideShow) |
| "i am having difficulty mastering the arenas and dueling i am a lvl 80 rogue and done bg and wg always arenas are new to i av gone for your 41.5.25 talents wat is the best move for rouges when attacking coz i seem to get wiped out all the time." english next time? | |
| Dakila | Jul 26, 2009 - 12:56 AM (HideShow) |
| wtb a rogue that doesn't break vanish or get out of stealth 50% of the games | |
| Dakila | Jul 26, 2009 - 12:56 AM (HideShow) |
| wtb a rogue that doesn't break vanish or get out of stealth 50% of the games | |
 Abn | Jul 27, 2009 - 12:13 PM (HideShow) |
| against ret/priest, you have to sap the ret and have the mage spam spellsteal until ret has no buffs, then sheep the priest and open on the ret. CS the ret when he freedoms out of kidney so he can't dispel sheep on the priest. sheep the priest 3 times. If priest trinkets dont blind him right away, wait until sheep DR is back up so you can chain the CC's. When pally bubbles, vanish+invis if you can, or just run behind a pillar and evo/FA/eat. | |
| Aphileon | Jul 29, 2009 - 2:58 PM (HideShow) |
| What do you guys do against any warlock team? He always seems to control me too well. | |
| Vamk | Jul 29, 2009 - 3:57 PM (HideShow) |
| hmm well agaisnt rogue-warlock.. try to burn down the lock and cc rogue | |
| Zolden | Aug 12, 2009 - 6:17 AM (HideShow) |
| nuke <3 | |
| Gummster | Aug 20, 2009 - 1:07 AM (HideShow) |
| I can't believe this needs a guide. Force trinket blind/poly KILL | |
| Killars | Sep 5, 2009 - 2:57 AM (HideShow) |
| Lol Just so u kno this needs a particular strategy for any team with a Paladin. This strategy i call the Reset strategy, and it is where both the rogue and the mage Pop on the Paladin mercilessly (pun not intended) until he bubbles, and when he does RESET!!! That means the mage should run away and invis, and the rogue should CoS/Vanish if he needs to (obviously just vanish if you are lucky). once this is done, pop on the Pally again and tear him up. Also something handy- generally the mage and rogue will take damage so the mage will evoc and the rogue HAS to have mage food so that he can stealth/eat, so that when you start your assault you can not have to worry about dieing. And obviously again keep the Healer sheeped, but in the lower ratings this isn't as neccesary. Oh and when the Pally freedoms you can SPELLSTEAL!!! Pallys have A LOT of buffs so u can naturally assume that spellstealing is a good idea, just with Priests. Just my 2 copper, it's a strat that my team found worked for us so yeah! | |
| Quathron | Sep 8, 2009 - 12:01 PM (HideShow) |
| when someone writing strategies things seems so easy.inside the arena everything changes....and that's the sweet of it.i haven't find a way with my mage to climb over 1100 before last patch.our problem seems to be managing the pallys...in any combination they nuke us....i can't find a way as a rogue to survive this massive pally damage | |
| Oxomarxo | Sep 10, 2009 - 3:20 AM (HideShow) |
| Tried this setup with combat rogue and me as arcane defensless Facerolling i just pop mirror arcaneblast pom arcaneblast arcanepower arcane barrage and he does Killing spree pure pwnage if their were away from each other but i rly think if mutilate / arcane is kinda hard if they r going for u i mean 1 iceblock mana sheild u will run out of mana quickly :S and if they go for rogue he dies quick =/ help me dr.phill | |
  Magic | Sep 19, 2009 - 1:59 AM (HideShow) |
| I gave up with this setup because of the ret pala "teams" , and the "skilled" warlock/druid teams ,, these gave us a really hard times so far. our strategy on the warlock/druid team is to cc the warlock because he is easy to get cc and nuke the druid , but on the druid it was like we are scratching him! the warlock is fearing like hell, his felhunter displeing my sheeps and the dots ofc !!>< my rogue survive until cloack of shadows is on cd. we tryed to go on warlock but he doesnt die with his high resi,hp and druid healing like hell with dispelling wound poison even when my rogue is using the deadly poison with it :S the druid cyclon me/my rogue and rooting the rogue,, CS and blind didnt work with us on druid ,, the warlock get free for 2 sec's and fear/dots "the instant aoe fear or death coil" .. the felhunter was like 3rd player for us with silncing on hard times. dunno maybe we can do it with rogue kicking all his casts, but he always get free for sec's and do some shit Im not that great experinced on arenas and didnt play high rated arena's yet because of my raiding rogue friend :P maybe we did something wrong and you guys can help :) | |
| Danielsan | Sep 21, 2009 - 6:32 PM (HideShow) |
| magic your intentions were good to kill the druid and cc'ing the lock but i think killing the pet would also help. but that in the long shot..usually what we try to do is cc the lock get the hots on the druid...if the druid pops his trink on my deep freeze then we would blind him and switch to the lock asap who has absolutely no hots on him. then this is where you pop the images and keep the pet off (if he summons it back) you and burn him down within that ten seconds that's ONLY my opinon | |
| Legendpally | Sep 27, 2009 - 10:31 AM (HideShow) |
| Srsly? Arcane mage Rogue? Frost is alot better. you get higher surviveability and Palas dont hit you to death that easy. | |
| Stunning | Sep 28, 2009 - 5:39 PM (HideShow) |
| I can't believe this needs a guide. | |
| Stunning | Sep 28, 2009 - 5:39 PM (HideShow) |
| I can't believe this needs a guide. | |
| Stunning | Sep 28, 2009 - 5:39 PM (HideShow) |
| I can't believe this needs a guide. | |
 Myknox | Sep 30, 2009 - 3:09 PM (HideShow) |
| cant believe how many talking shit about a comb they never played | |
| Resania | Oct 3, 2009 - 12:36 PM (HideShow) |
| Why is there Focus Magic in the mage build? I'm quite new to arena so there might be some gains from it that I'm missing. Just realy can't see how you benefit from it. | |
| Danielsan | Oct 4, 2009 - 2:08 AM (HideShow) |
| poison crits count as spells apparently i get it often | |
 Sweetdotz | Oct 4, 2009 - 6:56 PM (HideShow) |
| what are the ref best poisons for eachmatcu | |
| Jededae | Oct 20, 2009 - 12:07 PM (HideShow) |
| i think that the individual who says s/he is the top rated person in the world blah blah blah, who says that this guide is flawed because you have to keep changing things up should possibly realize that every variation on strategy is not written down here because that would be a load of work. this guide is meant to help folks in arena and give them a few insights. not meant to make you the top rated arena person. that's to be done all on your own. silly of you not to understand that. | |
| Hellrise | Oct 20, 2009 - 1:35 PM (HideShow) |
| why isnt there a rogue/priest guide and just rogue/mage, id like a guide on rogue priest plz | |
| Deliwio | Oct 27, 2009 - 6:13 AM (HideShow) |
| For rogues in this setup...go sdance plz. Frost/mut Arcane/sdance thats how it works | |
| Calcinite | Oct 27, 2009 - 3:40 PM (HideShow) |
| How does your team deal with Hunter/Healer teams? Me and my rogue buddy can't seem to beat them in the 1750+ brackets. | |
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