> I'm losing faith in marks...

[Levidia]

I'm losing faith in Marks as we've fought more and more teams that focus on nullifying my damage and being successful @ it.

I re-specced back to a high damage output SV build (5/5 MT etc) and my 3v3 team shot up to 2650 last night (2nd in the BG), I've also noticed 5s teams with ever increasing focus on defensive affliction scrubbing which is especially painful as MM/Destro.

I will say this however that there are teams where MM definitely has a clear advantage but from my experiences the over all quality and reliability of SVs output shines in more situations than not.

An example from last night was Pal/Destro/EleSham we fought a few times and I was playing extremely defensive. The 1 shot luxury explosive provided me allowed me to get off my damage while peeking out from behind LOS and while being constantly mobile, as MM I'm forced to give up optimal positioning to give myself opportunities to chain 2+ globals together. Even without the ability to readiness another deterrence or double disengage out of range of people SV feels like it has a higher chance of survivability because of the positioning it affords you. As long as I concentrate on defensive CD management and don't freak out and blow ROS/det/BMasters on the first instant I get locked down in a fail safe attempt at preventing a death I've been able to cycle CDs in an efficient manner to keep myself up.

We'll see how this holds up against our biggest competition in the BG the R1 wizard cleave (druid/warlock/mage) and the now R3 cleave of destro/ele/paladin. Facing off against 2 quality wizard cleaves as a hunter vying for that number 1 spot should prove to be anything but stress free.

If you asked me what I thought marks needed I would immediately respond back with a revamp to the chimera shot talent. Ever since the viper sting change the shot really lost it's luxury as a versatile multi-role shot and some simplicity and stream lining would be much appreciated.

Remove the serpent sting requirement for bonus damage
Make scorpid sting it's own disarm shot on a 1 min CD
Remove the viper sting refresh

Base what the shot provides off of the aspect the hunter is using rather than the sting on the target.
Dragonhawk = max damage
Viper = bonus mana regen with medium damage

Currently the tree suffers from a serious case of mana management and GCD management and these changes would help in both of those areas.

[Bulrug]

with a destro warlock partner id definately agree with you that survival is the way to go against wizard cleaves (though not RLS or RMP). You play with a druid who wont ever leave from behind the pillar against double casters, and a destro lock who is pretty much unkillable by other casters, there isnt a need for you to go survival to protect your team-mates, and like you said, you have an easier time doing damage whilst staying behind los as survival. You also have wyvern sting which is a nice peel (i wouldnt call it much of a cc, but it'd prob not be bad in your comp in setitng up a wyvern --> fear --> cyclone maybe

that said, survival is VERY underrated

[Jobelina]

Good post, I agree.
Endless mana as survival aswell which is very nice.

The only thing I really like about marks atm is that silencing shot but imo survival is more comfortable to play.

[Granter]

Originally Posted by Jobelina

The only thing I really like about marks atm is that silencing shot but imo survival is more comfortable to play.

While playing vs RMP it feels alot better for me if i play as MM, being able to silence mage shatter combo is nice and priest not being able to dispel stings, but against all other setups survival is alot more comfortable yes.

But when you face a setup with shaman+paladin in the same team and you have to fight both the totems and the paladins dispels, it just gets so spammy to reaply serpent sting every 10sec, and if you are unlucky it gets dispeled befor chimera shot lands.

Edit: there are more things that gets me annoyed while playing MM then survival the only annoying thing about the survival tree is basicly that wyvern sting is so damn weak, consider the amount of classes/racials that can remove it.

[Levidia]

Originally Posted by Granter

only annoying thing about the survival tree is basicly that wyvern sting is so damn weak, consider the amount of classes/racials that can remove it.

Yup, wish it was a physical effect and shared DR with the same things as blind.

SV isn't a sting tree that's MM, why does SV get a unique sting?

[Trïkso]

I wonder how would HDP with sv hunter hold up against rmp :/ cuz for now we shit on 95% of rmp's with me specced MM, but it's due to me silencing polymorph and raping the mage

[Mccormick]

Tunnel the mage, CC / interrupt priest, collect pts. RMP is quite easy as any Hunter spec for PHD. With the easyest being BM.

[Trïkso]

I've played ret bm discpriest against rmp's

5sec games

[Sparkyslol]

bm destroys RMP

and yes levi i agree marks is just terrible against teams where you are forced defensive(which is a lot) or teams where they have a really good posion dispeler

[Grul]

i had problems vs double melee tunneling me as mm. mm is better against spellcleave. scatter trap healer 2 times and burst warlock down with 2 silence shots on him.