> Str over ARP Users

[Emoojin]

Originally Posted by Whillwinz

Yeah actually it does, it's inferior to ArP in pretty much every way. It's been mathematically proven.

Where is the proof of armpen's superiority when you are far from getting it capped?

Look at how badly armpen scales around 30 ~ 40% stack.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Armor_penetration

Best case scenario (target with 8317 armor) would net me 13%... and I would have 2400ish max swing damage compared to 2650ish, and 2% less crit, so again, at 35% it doesn't look like it's as clear as you claim it is.

[Stillballin]

Originally Posted by laceration

i love garbage talking

it's ironic since u don't think garbage would talk, but it does

MM instead of justifying why you gem the way you do, you simply insult people. Great contribution to the thread.

Perhaps an idea would be to come and get rank 1 on a real BG- vindication is an absolute joke. And some speculation as to why you feel strength is better (I can't get grim toll, I run double healer, etc etc.)

[Stillballin]

Originally Posted by Kurum

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...Thuzad&n=Swayy

str doesnt suck

not on nine, waste of time.

[Tisulit]

50% winrate at nine
Waste of time

[Jedden]

Originally Posted by Landsoul

Okay there's a lot of garbage mechanics being thrown around. I'll lay out a few things straight for you. I did a bunch of configuring and testing in my spreadsheet using a 900 resilience and variable armor targets and proper PvP gear and glyphs.

ArP is better than STR on anything above 6k armor. Most classes have more than that. including priests with inner fire. So ArP is better under the cap since you can always gem beyond the str/ArP inflection point even with full mostly resi gear.

For Just single target DPS and top end gear, sword and axe perform similarly, and going Sword-STR does not outperform Sword-ArP in any way. Axe outperforms Swords by less than 1% in overall damage when having 100% dps uptime single target. Axe also has more unmitigatable damage because you can't dodge or parry crits. You can dodge or parry sword spec's. Sword specs can also crit, which is another good bonus.


Pros with axe:
Crits can't be dodged or parried
Deep wounds damage unaffected by armor
Crits don't eat up SS charges
benefits more the overall damage of bladestorm and SS
more reliable trauma and blood frenzy uptime
More effective on high armor targets


Pros with Sword:
more effective when your specialization ICD is being cooled down repeatedly by kiting or CC
Chance to roflpwn your target with double crits
More effective on low armor targets

The final ruling:
-Swords is much more effective when soloing or single targetting due to the cooling down of the ICD between your on-target uptime. It also has a higher chance of killing someone in a lucky burst.
-Axes is more reliable consistent damage, and also is more beneficial for unmitigatable damage and AoE effects. If you want to have high damage on multiple targets or bleed someone down, then Axe is the way to go.
-Trinket cap can be achieved with a combination of full resi gear and a few PvE pieces, so Mace spec is not needed. Also axe/sword is equivalent to mace with full arp gemming and pve gear on high armor targets.

Figure out which playstyle best suits you and I guarantee you won't be dissapointed in choosing the right weapon given my analysis. You can't spreadsheet your way through a goddamn arena match it won't get you anywhere. You have to think outside the box and lay out all the possibilities, which there are hundreds of. Analyzing all those hundreds of possibilities using napkin math is not going to get you anywhere in deciding which spec to choose.

I wish this was just stickied from the previous thread so everyone could just shut the fuck up about arp/str and wep specs already.

[Emoojin]

Originally Posted by Jedden

I wish this was just stickied from the previous thread so everyone could just shut the fuck up about arp/str and wep specs already.

Why would you bold the sword and axe part? And the armpen/str was talked about in like 2 sentences, which isn't that constructive.

[Jedden]

Originally Posted by Gaizokubanou

Why would you bold the sword and axe part? And the armpen/str was talked about in like 2 sentences, which isn't that constructive.

I quote'd the whole original post. You could've clicked and gone through the topic if you want to read more about it.

[Amused]

STRENGTH is better because i'm a

[Dænerys]

Originally Posted by Gaizokubanou

Where is the proof of armpen's superiority when you are far from getting it capped?

Look at how badly armpen scales around 30 ~ 40% stack.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Armor_penetration

Best case scenario (target with 8317 armor) would net me 13%... and I would have 2400ish max swing damage compared to 2650ish, and 2% less crit, so again, at 35% it doesn't look like it's as clear as you claim it is.

Yeah except that's a retarded scenario to look at, you act like it's hard to get ArP. With the 2pc t9 set and 2 PVE items you can hit 35% ArP with NO ArP gems. So once you have those basics then you can gem for ArP and easily get 55%+ unbuffed ArP, at which point it's not even close.

We're not here to discuss what the ideal stats are for a new 80 in half blues.

[Emoojin]

Originally Posted by Whillwinz

Yeah except that's a retarded scenario to look at, you act like it's hard to get ArP. With the 2pc t9 set and 2 PVE items you can hit 35% ArP with NO ArP gems. So once you have those basics then you can gem for ArP and easily get 55%+ unbuffed ArP, at which point it's not even close.

We're not here to discuss what the ideal stats are for a new 80 in half blues.

So what you are saying is, if you don't want to pve don't even bother talking about how to gem your gear.

I quote'd the whole original post. You could've clicked and gone through the topic if you want to read more about it.

Where do I find the actual original post, because I don't see anything to click on your post.