> Aren't they nerfing wrong class because of beastcleave?

[Flýn]

Originally Posted by Tosan

Because 99.99999999999999999% of players don't play at tournaments

99.9999999999999999% of people in every single eSport, real sport and so on don't compete on the top level either. Balancing the game around mostly bad players has never been a good idea.

EDIT: I'm not saying I wouldn't want them to update the gear and balance live as well, I'm merely saying they don't, and so because of that things should be balanced more around how things are on the TR.

[imbah]

Originally Posted by Tosan

45 seconds of ultra shaman and then after that point he's pretty much bleh.

yea blizz have put in loads of these lame abilities, ie ones that are like OK, pwn for xx seconds then be below par! i have always hated playing specs with them, they are so boring... i really wish blizz would just revamp them all, to list but a few;
bladestorm
killing spree
adrenaline rush
bm/bw
metamorphasis
wolves
beserk
gargoyle/runic weapon
do people really have fun with these abilities? in some cases (hi bladestorm) its literally automated attacks, and in other cases its just fire and forget. totally lame imo

[Russet]

Originally Posted by facee

I fought 5 different beastcleaves between 1900-2400 at 2am yesterday on rampage 2 of them had druids as healers but none the less still a bm hunter

Of the 14 total hunters on your entire battlegroup with a 3v3 rating high enough to be tracked by SK gaming, exactly ONE plays with an Enhance Shaman and has a BM spec. There are about 5-6 total hunters that even have a BM spec, and only 3 of them have a "decent" 3v3 team.

And by decent I mean 2200 on one of the 2 worst battlegroups in the US.

http://www.sk-gaming.com/arena/playe...hunter/26/all/

1) http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...rnace&n=Photoo
2) http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...lls&n=Alathena
3) http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...r&n=Gorbachaff

Originally Posted by inhume

Yes i realize you can disarm the hunter but that requires a warrior/rogue/spriest/marks hunter.

MM Disarm doesn't remove ranged weapons.

Originally Posted by Anghell

The fact that while you're immune you do more damage is somewhat retarded(imagine a ret bubble doing 100% damage and being able to wings :P).

Except you're not immune to damage. It's actually like Bladestorm, immune to CC and do more damage than normal. I guess they need to make Warriors do half their normal damage while they use Bladestorm?

Maybe you should attack the BM hunter, even while he's red. That's what I do, and they die pretty fast.

Originally Posted by psyhawk

lmfao stacking ms as if warriors warriors didnt already solo any1 without peels

^^This. It's no coincidence that there's ONE class out there that can run double healer comps and succeed.

Originally Posted by scal1234

You're kidding right? Complaining about people tunnel visioning your healer? EXCUSE ME SIR HAVE YOU NOTICED THIS MLG AT ALL?? I mean have you seen a single match? BTW yea you're right bm/enhance pressure isn't a good peel by itself or anything.

Only if damage makes you run around like a headless chicken.

Who cares about MLG? Do you play at MLG? No. Do you play in S5 gear? No.

Originally Posted by Cruxis

How many Warriors were at MLG?

Or better yet, how many sponsored teams actually have a Warrior in them? (It's only 1, Siler, and he doesn't play it anymore) Live doesn't mean anything anymore.

And 8 teams in S5 gear matters so much more than thousands of teams in current gear?

Originally Posted by Elraen

I meant for that to read a BM hunter AND his pet both receiving heroism=scary. A lusted BM hunter chaining turretting steady shots into someone between aimed/arcane hurts a lot, similar to caster (either in 3s or 5s) with bloodlust.

The solution to both those problems is something that's been fairly common since day 1 of arena: line of sight.

Originally Posted by Tosan

and after the wolves are gone are they able to somewhat control and eventually kill the shaman, even then it's still challenging just because of the cooldowns spent early match and the momentum gained for the beast cleave from it.

I agree with your general point, but holy shit tone down the weasel words.

Were you watching the other team's HP at all? Once BM and/or lust and/or wolves were down, no one's HP even budged.

In the last 2 matches that x6 lost, Orange never went below about 70-80% HP with no BM, and the Warlock in the Shadowcleave team was even more laughable, he was 80-90% HP for the vast majority of the fight.

Clearly it was "still challenging" to not run out into the middle of the map and sit there like Hirin did the one match he died.