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PvP players feel like 2nd class citizens this xpac and well PvP lvls vs PvE, caps, tccy buff, much wrong after patch thoughts?
We made a ton of changes to support PvP this xpack. You can disagree with the changes but I don't buy the 2nd class argument.
Example 1 "I don't agree with the PvP ilevel change. The costs were worth than the problems it created for world PvP."
Example 2 "Blizzard changed PvP ilevel because PvP players are second class citizens." See the difference?

My concern w this mindset is the message new players see: "What you're doing now doesn't matter. Just level."
I think the message is that it is almost played as two games, and most players are playing the max level one.

is it time to give spells a different function/dmg in pve and pvp? Make balancing easier. Balancing for pvp and pve is awful
We give spells different functions in PvP all the time when we think that is the right solution. It's not a universal panacea.

So you'd rather people get burnt out on gearing, than actually participate because it's fun?
In fact the opposite can also be true: if we're not careful, players will engage in unfun things just for the power rewards.

So, do you play to address the joke that Blood DK's are in 2's?
Sigh. Tanks in Arena are rarely fun for anyone but the tank.

Have you ever thought about adding a spectating system for arena matches?
We would love to, but technically it is not a trivial thing to build. (Not impossible, just not trivial.)

And ironically you maintain a very deterministic system in pvp. I guess pvp players aren't deserving of the joy of rng loot?
We'd actually like to make PvP rewards less deterministic. We'd just have to be careful about how we did that.

PVP is too deterministic. I would like drops from battlegrounds.. also at low levels.
We don't like PvP rewards being so deterministic, but have yet to come up with a good design for an alternative.

Ghost , it pains me to see that you guys would sacrifice world pvp when you have pvp servers .
I think flying mounts and server transfers had much bigger effects on wpvp than ilevels.
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#1 Fizion

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 03:45 PM

I can't take anything they say seriously for PVP after they have left warriors so fucked up for so long.


#2 Hiiwa

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 03:57 PM

how about bm hunters from 5.0 to 5.3

#3 Forumz

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 04:13 PM

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So, do you play to address the joke that Blood DK's are in 2's?


hahahaha
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#4 Pernd

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 05:05 PM

warri is fine.

#5 Namechangex

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 05:06 PM

hey I was away for a while. Was the PvPsummitfagclub summary been posted?
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#6 Megorix

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 05:47 PM

Yet more evidence to prove how out of touch and incompetent the PVP devs are. Can't say I'm not surprised...

#7 Speedymart

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 05:48 PM

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Ghost , it pains me to see that you guys would sacrifice world pvp when you have pvp servers .
I think flying mounts and server transfers had much bigger effects on wpvp than ilevels.

Did they already forget that the timeless isle is a thing?


The fuck is wrong with these people
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#8 Moshe

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 06:00 PM

PvE game

#9 Yubel

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 06:54 PM

Have you ever thought about adding a spectating system for arena matches?
We would love to, but technically it is not a trivial thing to build. (Not impossible, just not trivial.)




LOL

I'm done. I can't with Blizzard. I just don't understand.
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#10 Speedymart

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 07:03 PM

View PostYubel, on 17 November 2013 - 06:54 PM, said:

Have you ever thought about adding a spectating system for arena matches?
We would love to, but technically it is not a trivial thing to build. (Not impossible, just not trivial.)




LOL

I'm done. I can't with Blizzard. I just don't understand.

Private servers can do it, but blizzard can't


makes sense
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#11 Nmplol

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 07:13 PM

I think flying mounts and server transfers had much bigger effects on wpvp than ilevels.

Is that real? or?

#12 Buson

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 07:26 PM

Did you all forget that Bobby Kotick is in charge here?

Let me explain please, Bobby Kotick is to WoW that the Rockefellers are to the world, cunts.
Ghostcrawler and Holinka is to WoW that the presidents and prime ministers are to the world, representatives, a face that lies and possibly enjoys it. Paid trolls.
PvPers are to WoW that the poor people on the streets are to the world, the absolute bottom of the pyramid. Not the first layer of stone but the dirt underneath it.

Understand this and quit this pathetic game.

I played WoW on and off since 2008. Didn't really get into pvp until end of Wotlk. Noticed how retarded changes to classes were at start of Cata. Some of the changes and the things that they let slide on live were pure trolls. Ya'll are literally getting trolled and you are paying money for it. Stop it. Move on ffs, you who complain make me more pissed than Activision Blizzard who is executing their capitalist job perfectly.

#13 catastrophiq

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 07:43 PM

agree 100% with the guy above me ur my hero!

#14 Nixonxx

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:12 PM

View PostVanguards, on 17 November 2013 - 02:55 PM, said:



Ghost , it pains me to see that you guys would sacrifice world pvp when you have pvp servers .
I think flying mounts and server transfers had much bigger effects on wpvp than ilevels. [/blizz]


Do they even realize that PvE gear is significantly stronger than PvP gear in world PvP?

#15 ROKMODE

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:16 PM

too hard to add spectator client, but AT did it months ago
nice
Expect bias in posts because
Wotlk is the best thing since sliced bread

#16 Marshmellow

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:18 PM

View PostNixonxx, on 17 November 2013 - 08:12 PM, said:

Do they even realize that PvE gear is significantly stronger than PvP gear in world PvP?

they see it as having a fair advantage against a pvp player (they assume all pvers are retards)

#17 Doulol

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:39 PM

View PostFizion, on 17 November 2013 - 03:45 PM, said:

I can't take anything they say seriously for PVP after they have left warriors so fucked up for so long.

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#18 Okayenhance

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:47 PM

View PostNixonxx, on 17 November 2013 - 08:12 PM, said:

Do they even realize that PvE gear is significantly stronger than PvP gear in world PvP?

Significantly? More like the enemy in PvE gear is already level 95. I cannot believe that my group of 4 full geared grevious multiglad players got wiped by a group of 5 or so PvE geared players, mainly because they all have 150k+ health on us and hit easily 30% harder on us. Amazing.

I also love how Blizzard has left warriors in a full-retard state for two seasons out of three this expac. Know what really disgusts me about it though? I don't PvE in MOP but I know that most warriors don't run Arms for PvE and at least in the past most rogues ran combat or mutilate for PvE dps..same with mages (frost has never been a raid spec as far as i could remember except molten core vanilla) so how come they haven't nerfed warriors, rogues and mages when what they do won't effect PvE because all the classes that are cakewalking over everyone else have at least 1 other DPS spec that is either better or very very close to the dps of their PvP spec?

#19 Marshmellow

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:54 PM

View PostOkayenhance, on 17 November 2013 - 08:47 PM, said:


I also love how Blizzard has left warriors in a full-retard state for two seasons out of three this expac. Know what really disgusts me about it though? I don't PvE in MOP but I know that most warriors don't run Arms for PvE and at least in the past most rogues ran combat or mutilate for PvE dps..same with mages (frost has never been a raid spec as far as i could remember except molten core vanilla) so how come they haven't nerfed warriors, rogues and mages when what they do won't effect PvE because all the classes that are cakewalking over everyone else have at least 1 other DPS spec that is either better or very very close to the dps of their PvP spec?

They want every spec to be viable even if there is a better spec to play, Fury is the best spec for warriors but they want you to be able to play Arms and not do shit dps

I just don't understand why they can't do more changes like the Death Strike healing change in Arena only (Ice Lance now does 25% less damage in arena only, Bladestorm now does 25% less damage in arena only ect..) It's pure laziness imo

#20 Chernova

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:57 PM

View PostHiiwa, on 17 November 2013 - 03:57 PM, said:

how about bm hunters from 5.0 to 5.3
Bm was a joke.... But... 5.3 they were okay at the state they were In. Now they are just like they were in cata with a little dps out put. Not saying they were not stupid but the last time Bm was good was season 8 I think we all remember Beast Cleave lol... I think mages have always been broken but we all know there will never be one patch it will be nerfed if you look at all the classes at one point in a patch or season something is nerfed but if you play a mage you never have to re roll.

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