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We had many seasons destroyed by too strong PvE gear. This time at least the legendaries will not be an issue as Blizzard made an awesome decision and set the legendary cloaks (obtainable in patch 5.4) to not proc against players.

In addition PvE gear will be scaled down to ilvl512 compared to the ilvl522 of conquest PvP gear. It's up for the debate if the very strong PvE trinket procs will outwheigh the new PvP trinket setbonus or not but there is reason for hope that the next and probably final season of MoP will not be based around PvE gear like S4, S8 and S11.

Thank you Mr. Holinka!
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#1 Marshmellow

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 10:04 PM

good, now they just need to do the same thing with pve trinkets
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#2 Dizzeeyo

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 10:17 PM

[quote name='Marshmellow' timestamp='1372889096' post='3907937']
good, now they just need to do the same thing with pve trinkets
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and elemental shamans

see what i did there :)
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No because the difference is when I play a comp i play it close to skill cap

if anyone needs to be banned, it's you. You do nothing but sit on AJ being a passive aggressive idiot that nobody likes, sorry you stink of washing up liquid.

Feel free to call me an idiot because I'm a hunter or some stupid ass remark but I've actually written all this down on paper

I actually made an appearance at DH2014 and I met up with people from twitch who were involved with the dota 2 / cs tournies that where there, I talked about the game from my perspective as a professional player and we actually shared a lot of opinions. All I'm saying is a lot of people will be VERY surprised about the future of this game in the esport world :)

#3 limek

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 11:22 PM

[quote name='Dizzeeyo' timestamp='1372889876' post='3907943']
and elemental shamans

see what i did there :)
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We're waiting
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#4 Lussheen

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 11:39 PM

Oh thank goud, hope they do something with the upcomming Trinkets from 5.4 raid and i would start dance.
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#5 Pretalethal

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 01:21 AM

Been enjoying the TR with some friends and it feels so much better than live. Here is to hoping they make live arena similar. :)
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#6 Farkette

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 01:39 AM

Does that go for PETS too?
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#7 Thazable

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 01:48 AM

I wanted this more than a playstation 1 for christmas back in 1994 wow.
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#8 originalret

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 01:57 AM

the 5.3 cloaks are already argueable better than the pvp cloaks.
220 primary stat > 272 pvp power
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#9 Equalwin

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 02:11 AM

[quote name='originalret' timestamp='1372903044' post='3908036']
the 5.3 cloaks are already argueable better than the pvp cloaks.
220 primary stat > 272 pvp power
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how? the ones with gem or so? because the ones w.o gem has the same stats (primary stats) w.o pvp power
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#10 Thazable

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 02:27 AM

[quote name='Equalwin' timestamp='1372903875' post='3908041']
how? the ones with gem or so? because the ones w.o gem has the same stats (or almost) w.o pvp power
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I think he talks about the previous version of the legendary cloaks wich are already available in game.
Anyways the actual version will just grant 140 of your primary stat since they all have 602 of the primary on them when they get scaled down to 496 item level and not 682 like the pvp cloaks.
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#11 Darksoldierr

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 10:50 AM

And what about PvE trinkets? (Again...)
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#12 Mirionx

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 11:26 AM

[quote name='originalret' timestamp='1372903044' post='3908036']
the 5.3 cloaks are already argueable better than the pvp cloaks.
220 primary stat > 272 pvp power
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Gem slots are counted in to the item budget, so they've got less intellect / stamina etc on them then the PvP once and they're lacking PvP power too
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#13 Daawarlock

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 12:04 PM

[quote name='Farkette' timestamp='1372901982' post='3908032']
Does that go for PETS too?[/quote]
^This, it would be so Blizz like to just forget about that...
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#14 Feliclandelo

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 12:17 PM

[quote name='Pretalethal' timestamp='1372900900' post='3908028']
Been enjoying the TR with some friends and it feels so much better than live. Here is to hoping they make live arena similar. :)
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Isn't TR 5.3? I mean if they are still changing classes and such, they would have to keep updating it.
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#15 Persephones

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 12:41 PM

[quote name='Mirionx' timestamp='1372937200' post='3908208']
Gem slots are counted in to the item budget, so they've got less intellect / stamina etc on them then the PvP once and they're lacking PvP power too
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yes but it's not 1:1, a socketed item will ALWAYS be better than a non socketed piece, assuming same ilvl from a main stat perspective, and thats not counting in a possible socket bonus
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The current season is at a very good spot balance-wise. There is a comp variety that hasn't been seen in the game since s8.

#16 Bullylol

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 01:52 PM

No so bothered about the stats - its not insanely higher (though correct me if I am wrong, but the PVE items will be dropped below PVP items in terms of ilevel - may well have just imagined I read this though).

However stopping the procs is a good precedent to set - shows that bliz are willing to make that barrier between PVE and PVP and how the power levels vary and how the rewards are/need to be different.

I've always liked the option of PVE in PVP - but more just in terms of customisation not just a freeroll on power level.
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#17 Evilcow

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 02:56 PM

http://ptr.wowdb.com...r-boss-x-loot-x is crazy atm on the PTR.

I have 21.81% crit baseline, the trinket procs with EVERY hit and gives me around 1.96% crit, I go up to 60.98% crit in 20hits, and it procs of both white hits and special attacks...
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#18 originalret

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 03:47 AM

[quote name='Thazable' timestamp='1372904856' post='3908045']
I think he talks about the previous version of the legendary cloaks wich are already available in game.
Anyways the actual version will just grant 140 of your primary stat since they all have 602 of the primary on them when they get scaled down to 496 item level and not 682 like the pvp cloaks.
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what are the ratio's for gear downscaling to 496 exactly? for example, reduction of 1 ilvl = reduction of ??? percentage of stats


[quote name='Darksoldierr' timestamp='1372935050' post='3908199']
And what about PvE trinkets? (Again...)
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they now have a downscale of stat provided with an upscale of duration.
i know the duration is + 100% (so doubled duration) but does anyone know the percentage of stat reduction? i dont think its halved.
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#19 Thazable

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 07:39 AM

I don't really know how much stat you get from one itemlvl, I just joined arena and checked the stats on the cloak after the downscale.
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#20 originalret

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 01:32 AM

yeah I've had to resort to the same thing. it works in random battlegrounds also so ive been doing that to test stuff.
The bit thats tricky is trinkets though. their duration adjustment is pretty obvious as you can see its duration in the buff UI, but the contribution of procs and on-uses is hard to determine as the tooltip doesnt reflect the correct figure, it still shows the PVE amount.

short of running around with my character stats window open in the middle of a BG i havent been able to figure out which trinkets work best with math
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