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There's been some interesting blue posts and tweets lately regarding PvP. It feels to me that Blizzard has really been trying to "answer" the PvP community as of late. I personally liked that they feel there is too much instant CCs in the game since I share that opinion.
Official Blizzard Quote:
Class Specific
¨What do you think of DK survival in pvp? I quit mine because I realized in premop patch that we were going to be easy target
If you can get a DK to blow all def cooldowns, then they're easier to kill, but you still have Blood Presence.
Why is Blood getting nerfed PvP wise? We have no mobility what so ever.. we are easily kited.WTF. Compensate for the nerf?
We don't like invulnerable tanks in PvP even if they are slow. Blood had too much self-healing in PvP.
How long are we going to have to wait to see shifting out of snares removed?
Not on our radar ATM. We don't want to nerf every counter in PvP, just the ones that feel super frustrating.
Regarding hunters, why is BW, a skill untouched for years suddenly OP? Also 5.1 changes nothing regarding MM being weak in pvp
We don't think defenses used offensively makes good gameplay. They tend to get blown immediately not strategically.
Hey GC with the change in 5.1 making totems act as spells was it intended to nerf all specs or just resto ?
it was intended as a nerf to totems. Now that they do things (not just buffs) they were hard to counter.
General PvP
CC in general is totally out of control, too much instant !@#$ going on
We would very much like to make it so that more crowd controls start going back to having a cast time. We feel that instant cast spells should be something that's rare to see and we admit that they have become far too common.
When you or one of the blizzard staff mentioned the 30% healing nerf in Battlegrounds, I hope you mean hybrids only.
Nope. We suspect healing overall is too potent once burst is toned down. You shouldn't need to 100% CC a healer to score a kill.
Make PvP abilities a mod to PvE abilities = PvP changes isolated. Add PvP Stance for equipment/glyphs, fallback to PvE gear.
We make abilities work differently as a later sort, but I for one don't want to have to earn two different rule sets.
greg making two rule sets is the only way to fix the PVE vs PVP issue. have you not learned that yet?
Disagree. Also even if true, perfect balance gains us nothing if a bunch of players leave because the rules are inscrutable.
A flightless Tol Barad-type zone is essential for world pvp. Do you regret not making one for MoP or plan to make one?
We had done those zones 2 expansions in a row so felt it was time to let it rest a bit, but I bet we try them again in the future.
Why are the PvP achievements so limited? No 2,4k in 2v2. No 1k arenas won? 5k arenas won? Hot Hot Hot streak? #possibilities
We'd like to add more but we need to make sure they don't encourage strange behavior. Ach farming in PvP can get silly fast.
I believe an open mind is more important than a title, experience after that. Sadly, even glads can be very biased.
People who like to eat don't always make good cooks. That doesn't mean they can't tell you what they like to eat.
Do you take advice from a master chef or some guy who just happens to enjoy food?
Both.
So why nerf all specs? Reducing the benefit of mastery in PvP would fix resto, but ele isn't even viable pre-nerfs.
We don't think it's all about the healing, and Resto PvE healing is fine. We think totems are too good.
people will stop complaining about resto pvp nerfs if you nerf frost bomb/ warrior cd stacking/ resto drood control
There are mage and warrior nerfs in 5.1. Keeping an eye on Cyclone for now.
I'm not giving up on skirmish arenas, never, ever. You know we want it. inb4 block :<
We aren't either - it's just not going to be super soon.
Everyone agrees with him/her. This upgrade gear thing is going to make people quit the game. PvP is dying.
claiming to speak for everyone always makes me suspicious.
well, not everyone but the majority i think. btw, i would love to have that pvp forum on the US.
just make good arguments and don't worry about invoking a huge crowd to agree with you. It's not a vote anyway.
¨What do you think of DK survival in pvp? I quit mine because I realized in premop patch that we were going to be easy target
If you can get a DK to blow all def cooldowns, then they're easier to kill, but you still have Blood Presence.
Why is Blood getting nerfed PvP wise? We have no mobility what so ever.. we are easily kited.WTF. Compensate for the nerf?
We don't like invulnerable tanks in PvP even if they are slow. Blood had too much self-healing in PvP.
How long are we going to have to wait to see shifting out of snares removed?
Not on our radar ATM. We don't want to nerf every counter in PvP, just the ones that feel super frustrating.
Regarding hunters, why is BW, a skill untouched for years suddenly OP? Also 5.1 changes nothing regarding MM being weak in pvp
We don't think defenses used offensively makes good gameplay. They tend to get blown immediately not strategically.
Hey GC with the change in 5.1 making totems act as spells was it intended to nerf all specs or just resto ?
it was intended as a nerf to totems. Now that they do things (not just buffs) they were hard to counter.
General PvP
CC in general is totally out of control, too much instant !@#$ going on
We would very much like to make it so that more crowd controls start going back to having a cast time. We feel that instant cast spells should be something that's rare to see and we admit that they have become far too common.
When you or one of the blizzard staff mentioned the 30% healing nerf in Battlegrounds, I hope you mean hybrids only.
Nope. We suspect healing overall is too potent once burst is toned down. You shouldn't need to 100% CC a healer to score a kill.
Make PvP abilities a mod to PvE abilities = PvP changes isolated. Add PvP Stance for equipment/glyphs, fallback to PvE gear.
We make abilities work differently as a later sort, but I for one don't want to have to earn two different rule sets.
greg making two rule sets is the only way to fix the PVE vs PVP issue. have you not learned that yet?
Disagree. Also even if true, perfect balance gains us nothing if a bunch of players leave because the rules are inscrutable.
A flightless Tol Barad-type zone is essential for world pvp. Do you regret not making one for MoP or plan to make one?
We had done those zones 2 expansions in a row so felt it was time to let it rest a bit, but I bet we try them again in the future.
Why are the PvP achievements so limited? No 2,4k in 2v2. No 1k arenas won? 5k arenas won? Hot Hot Hot streak? #possibilities
We'd like to add more but we need to make sure they don't encourage strange behavior. Ach farming in PvP can get silly fast.
I believe an open mind is more important than a title, experience after that. Sadly, even glads can be very biased.
People who like to eat don't always make good cooks. That doesn't mean they can't tell you what they like to eat.
Do you take advice from a master chef or some guy who just happens to enjoy food?
Both.
So why nerf all specs? Reducing the benefit of mastery in PvP would fix resto, but ele isn't even viable pre-nerfs.
We don't think it's all about the healing, and Resto PvE healing is fine. We think totems are too good.
people will stop complaining about resto pvp nerfs if you nerf frost bomb/ warrior cd stacking/ resto drood control
There are mage and warrior nerfs in 5.1. Keeping an eye on Cyclone for now.
I'm not giving up on skirmish arenas, never, ever. You know we want it. inb4 block :<
We aren't either - it's just not going to be super soon.
Everyone agrees with him/her. This upgrade gear thing is going to make people quit the game. PvP is dying.
claiming to speak for everyone always makes me suspicious.
well, not everyone but the majority i think. btw, i would love to have that pvp forum on the US.
just make good arguments and don't worry about invoking a huge crowd to agree with you. It's not a vote anyway.
Comments
#1 xvee
Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:02 PM
#2 Mundayz
Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:02 PM
#3 phishy
Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:07 PM
#4 zzyzzyzz
Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:14 PM
#5 angiejolie
Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:15 PM
If you can get a DK to blow all def cooldowns, then they're easier to kill, but you still have Blood Presence.
How long are we going to have to wait to see shifting out of snares removed?
Not on our radar ATM.
Why are the PvP achievements so limited? No 2,4k in 2v2. No 1k arenas won? 5k arenas won? Hot Hot Hot streak? #possibilities
We'd like to add more but we need to make sure they don't encourage strange behavior. Ach farming in PvP can get silly fast
people will stop complaining about resto pvp nerfs if you nerf frost bomb/ warrior cd stacking/ resto drood control
There are mage and warrior nerfs in 5.1. Keeping an eye on Cyclone for now.
Everyone agrees with him/her. This upgrade gear thing is going to make people quit the game. PvP is dying.
claiming to speak for everyone always makes me suspicious. DAT DODGE
biggest fucking morons on this planet, so happy i'm not playing this shitfest anymore.
#6 Energizzer
Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:16 PM
#7 angiejolie
Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:19 PM
i have no words for this, are you trolling or some shit? get the fuck out, top players constantly lose on stream to horrible players playing overpowered shit
#8 kelminak
Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:24 PM
Quote
If you can get a DK to blow all def cooldowns, then they're easier to kill, but you still have Blood Presence.
Why is Blood getting nerfed PvP wise? We have no mobility what so ever.. we are easily kited.WTF. Compensate for the nerf?
We don't like invulnerable tanks in PvP even if they are slow. Blood had too much self-healing in PvP.
I...but...you just...I thought...
Kelm
#9 Bailamosx
Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:29 PM
We'd like to add more but we need to make sure they don't encourage strange behavior. Ach farming in PvP can get silly fast.
How is it anymore silly than PvE nerds dragonslaying, collecting pets, and building reputations with strange fictional factions?
#10 averagepriestz
Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:31 PM
Looking at the top players teams, they seem to have a fairly high winratio with a system thats supposed to bring you to a 50% winratio? If it only happens rarely, they could probably have avoided it (considering most of the dumb shit from 5.0 is removed).
I think these respones are pretty good tbh, you can't expect everyone to get their way. There's way too much bias going on on AJ. Blizzard would fuck the game up even more if they listened to all of AJ.
#11 Gambino6
Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:34 PM
Mrlindv - Youtube channel
#12 Regent
Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:36 PM
I almost passed out laughing. You just took trolling to a whole new level.
#13 Smokey89
Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:45 PM
why the hell are you still looking at WoW sites and forums if you quit rofl?
#14 a1entity
Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:55 PM
PVP will not be balanced in WOW period. I don't know what is the reason behind it (PVE is their priority, most likely), but if such profitable company really wanted it, they coud have done lot better job long ago.
#15 Callyo
Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:11 PM
My thought.
People always cry so much but they always lurk around this WoW forum religiously. lmaoo
#16 Bigqtx
Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:31 PM
Because it's 100% better than the game itself
#17 Durial
Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:35 PM
We aren't either - it's just not going to be super soon.
Would literally start playing again if skirmish came back.
Gives me something to do when there's nothing to do (Whenever you're not doing Arena(Most of the time(All of the time)))
#18 edthelad
Posted 11 December 2012 - 09:58 PM
#19 Polizei
Posted 11 December 2012 - 11:09 PM
As for the answers, they are typical BS and most of them are plain retarded in terms of PvP balance. DKs heal too much in PvP? DKs survive too much in PvP? General underestimates for the playerbase as they are saying bunch of random shit and will maybe only touch one or two things mentioned in the next patch.
#20 Treetrunksxoxo
Posted 11 December 2012 - 11:19 PM