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We just got the scoop on another exciting World of Warcraft 3v3 Arena Tournament coming up: the Raid Call World of Warcraft Invitational. It's being hosted by Evil Geniuses, no stranger to e-sports and the sponsor of players such as Azael, Cdew, Talbadar and Woundman, and we're happy to see them give back to the community by hosting this tournament.

The team list is being kept under wraps for now, but we've heard rumors of a star studded lineup. So you will want to make sure and head to their stream page and click that follow link. Mark the date and time on your calendar, and consider showing up earlier for a special treat as well!

Prizing:
  • $2000 is up for grabs between the top three teams!
Schedule:
  • Aug 10-12, 3 PM EDT (12 PM PDT, 8 PM London Time)
Casters:
  • Isaac "EG.Azael" Cummings-Bentley.
  • Alexander "Conradical" Hall
Where: To find out more go to http://raidwow.evilgeniuses.net a bit later today.
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#1 Milleh

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 08:48 PM

I've seen alot of accusing against the parcipitants saying they are not prepared aand that it's their own fault.

STOP IT RIGHT THERE!

Being a victim of illegal actions should not be an expectation. This is the wrong way to look at it. I play a game and i don't expect people to break the law to "harm" me. Sure you can do something to make it less likely, but changing your ip adress every time you want to play a simple video game because you are afraid is simply not a proper long term solution. I would personally rather quit WoW, a game I've been playing since 2005, than go about such actions to protect myself against illegality. I live in a civilised world, where human decency is expected at some level.

just my 2 cents
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#2 Currx

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 09:12 PM

yeah it sucks that people suck

#3 snugglebunny

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 09:36 PM

this whole thing is out of hand, certain people are making the community look bad as a whole with stuff like this. these issues  weren't nearly as prevalent (if not non-existent a few years ago), and it's ruining fun for everyone while the individuals orchestrating the attack reap no benefit

#4 Hendie

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 09:54 PM

View PostMilleh, on 12 August 2012 - 08:48 PM, said:

I've seen alot of accusing against the parcipitants saying they are not prepared aand that it's their own fault.

STOP IT RIGHT THERE!

Being a victim of illegal actions should not be an expectation. This is the wrong way to look at it. I play a game and i don't expect people to break the law to "harm" me. Sure you can do something to make it less likely, but changing your ip adress every time you want to play a simple video game because you are afraid is simply not a proper long term solution. I would personally rather quit WoW, a game I've been playing since 2005, than go about such actions to protect myself against illegality. I live in a civilised world, where human decency is expected at some level.

just my 2 cents

Just because something is illegal doesnt mean that you dont have to inform/protect yourself from it.

What about that undertage girl you slept with, oh you didnt ask her, her age... its ok then.
I guess you have no alarm system on your house/car as you would just rather get burgled?
Why dont you just leave your money outside in the open while your at it.
I guess you dont believe in a firewall/virus protection either?

Do you understand yet why people have to protect themselves from ddos attack?

I dont really understand how you have made it this far in life with your logic.

just my 2 cents
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#5 Conradical

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 09:56 PM

View PostHendie, on 12 August 2012 - 09:54 PM, said:

What about that undertage girl you slept with, oh you didnt ask her, her age... is ok then.

This is YOU breaking the law, which is different.

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I guess you have no alarm system on your house/car as you would just rather get burgled?

More like a burglar knowing how to shut off your alarm, but you're unable to get a new alarm for a few days because your alarm provider sucks.

~~just my 2 cents~~

#6 Hendie

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 09:59 PM

View PostConradical, on 12 August 2012 - 09:56 PM, said:

This is YOU breaking the law, which is different.



More like a burglar knowing how to shut off your alarm, but you're unable to get a new alarm for a few days because your alarm provider sucks.

~~just my 2 cents~~

What is the point of your post?

I am trying to make a point to show why people should protect themselves and hopefully have a better tournament, and you one of the hosters/organisers comes up with some retarded comment and ignores the valid points, very professional.
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#7 moojerk

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 10:00 PM

View PostMilleh, on 12 August 2012 - 08:48 PM, said:

I've seen alot of accusing against the parcipitants saying they are not prepared aand that it's their own fault.

STOP IT RIGHT THERE!

Being a victim of illegal actions should not be an expectation. This is the wrong way to look at it. I play a game and i don't expect people to break the law to "harm" me. Sure you can do something to make it less likely, but changing your ip adress every time you want to play a simple video game because you are afraid is simply not a proper long term solution. I would personally rather quit WoW, a game I've been playing since 2005, than go about such actions to protect myself against illegality. I live in a civilised world, where human decency is expected at some level.

just my 2 cents
Just because something is illegal doesn't mean you shouldn't take precautions to make yourself a more difficult target and less chance of being a victim.  That's foolish.  Especially when you're playing in a tournament where cash money is on the line.

#8 Rinoa

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 10:21 PM

View PostConradical, on 12 August 2012 - 09:56 PM, said:


More like a burglar knowing how to shut off your alarm, but you're unable to get a new alarm for a few days because your alarm provider sucks.

~~just my 2 cents~~

Could have contacted the provider a week in advance since they knew the tournament was coming up and that this would very likely be a problem. Im not participating in tournaments and even i have a second router in case i need to change my IP quickly.

#9 Conradical

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 10:28 PM

View PostHendie, on 12 August 2012 - 09:59 PM, said:

What is the point of your post?

I am trying to make a point to show why people should protect themselves and hopefully have a better tournament, and you one of the hosters/organisers comes up with some retarded comment and ignores the valid points, very professional.

It's not a valid point. In the first example, you're confusing being the victim of a crime with actually performing the crime. As for the second example, no one is welcoming anyone into performing any crime on them. No one wants to get DDoSed, just like no one wants to have a burglar rob them.

I also don't see how it's unprofessional to try to defend those that got DDoSed when they can't change their IP.

#10 Hendie

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 10:57 PM

View PostConradical, on 12 August 2012 - 10:28 PM, said:

It's not a valid point. In the first example, you're confusing being the victim of a crime with actually performing the crime. As for the second example, no one is welcoming anyone into performing any crime on them. No one wants to get DDoSed, just like no one wants to have a burglar rob them.

I also don't see how it's unprofessional to try to defend those that got DDoSed when they can't change their IP.

The first example was just to prove ignorance doesnt make things ok.

Defend them all you want, why not throw in some high fives to yourself while your at it :)
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#11 Djandawg

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 11:04 PM

View PostConradical, on 12 August 2012 - 09:56 PM, said:

This is YOU breaking the law, which is different.

More like a burglar knowing how to shut off your alarm, but you're unable to get a new alarm for a few days because your alarm provider sucks.

~~just my 2 cents~~
This is an invitational tournament.I think everyone got enough time to get a new IP and a new skype with only their tournament team mates added.
It is trivial that every team that agrees to participate should have a secure/stable connection because this is an online tournament. The staff should have this as a requirement and when people that ciaimed to have acquired a secure setup get ddos'ed they should lose the match.
That being said, I liked the tourney a lot while it lasted and getting ddos'd sucks especially when there is money on the line. Also , there is nothing wrong to show some sympathy to the victims of it but that should be it. You should mark a loss and carry on with the next game.

#12 moojerk

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 11:13 PM

View PostConradical, on 12 August 2012 - 10:28 PM, said:

I also don't see how it's unprofessional to try to defend those that got DDoSed when they can't change their IP.
If you don't mind me asking, who is their ISP?  While rare exception may occur with tiny hole in the wall ISP's, most ISPs do not give customers static IP addresses.  Static IP is actually something you'd have to pay extra for (business accounts for example).  And if you don't have a static IP, then 99% of the time you can get your IP changed by either disconnecting your modem for a period of time, or doing the mac address cloning.  If you have a static IP, then yes you'd need to contact your ISP to get it changed.  I have yet to hear of an ISP that doesn't allow you to change your dynamic IP so I'd be curious to know who the provider is.  It would be beneficial to the community to know so that other players can avoid that ISP.

#13 Milleh

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 08:31 PM

View PostHendie, on 12 August 2012 - 09:54 PM, said:

Just because something is illegal doesnt mean that you dont have to inform/protect yourself from it.

What about that undertage girl you slept with, oh you didnt ask her, her age... its ok then.
I guess you have no alarm system on your house/car as you would just rather get burgled?
Why dont you just leave your money outside in the open while your at it.
I guess you dont believe in a firewall/virus protection either?

Do you understand yet why people have to protect themselves from ddos attack?

I dont really understand how you have made it this far in life with your logic.

just my 2 cents

I use both firewall and several different types of antivirus/malware/spyware. This however is besides the point. What i'm saying in my post is that you don't leave your house with the expactations of getting robbed or a victim og violence therefore you don't have barbed wire and a mote at your house and you don't have a gun with you everywhere you go. Having to do more than the usual protection and what you would expect everyone to have is where things are taking a wrong turn. I don't have the time nor the energy to elaborate further so i'll leave it at this.
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#14 Hendie

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 08:36 PM

View PostMilleh, on 13 August 2012 - 08:31 PM, said:

I use both firewall and several different types of antivirus/malware/spyware. This however is besides the point. What i'm saying in my post is that you don't leave your house with the expactations of getting robbed or a victim og violence therefore you don't have barbed wire and a mote at your house and you don't have a gun with you everywhere you go. Having to do more than the usual protection and what you would expect everyone to have is where things are taking a wrong turn. I don't have the time nor the energy to elaborate further so i'll leave it at this.

Do you even know what your typing here, pretty sure you dont.
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#15 Leaflet

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 09:07 PM

View PostHendie, on 13 August 2012 - 08:36 PM, said:

Do you even know what your typing here, pretty sure you dont.

Because clearly, you are :rolleyes:

#16 Ranndomviewer

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 09:21 PM

I just thought I'd ask if there was a post anywhere that explained the future of the tourny? Whether it's officially over or whatever.

#17 Hendie

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 09:31 PM

View PostLeaflet, on 13 August 2012 - 09:07 PM, said:

Because clearly, you are :rolleyes:

Sorry did i just compare changing your ip address to play in a tournament for cash, with building a moat around your house for protection :confused:
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#18 Udderly

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 09:44 PM

OMG CAN WE STOP FIGHTING??!?!?  Such petty stuff to argue over - semantics.  Get over it, and let's worry instead about getting tourneys back up and running in a decent fashion that we can all enjoy.

I swear, sometimes....

#19 Rinoa

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 10:39 PM

That is what they're fighting about though, No tournament will ever work if people dont protect themselves from dos attacks. Its either that or only offline tournaments.

Anyway, is there an update on what happens to this tournament now, did you play offline or just cancelled ?

#20 moojerk

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 01:32 AM

I saw on azael's twitter sounds like it was postponed.

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